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Is Britain "Too White" As A Country??

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Original post by pol pot noodles
I wasn't missing the point, because that wasn't the point you were making. You were pretty much implying that any variation was down to institutional racism.


Of course I wasn't. The only point I was making was that variations need to be monitored if we want to rectify the causes of the variation. Institutional racism is just once facet of that.
Well I'm brown, mixed race with a white mother and a black father. But how on earth can it be "too white" ? We are talking Britain right? More white people is what you obviously expect from this country :s-smilie:

Stuff like this angers me
Original post by ajtiesto
Britain is a racist country and white Brits have a big problem seeing blacks and asians "stealing their jobs" or bringing in their own "backward" culture here. One of the most racist nations on this earth and the people think they're far more superior just because they're white and born here. Well guess what blacks and asians were born here too like me and I will always put my religion and roots first. Being British doesn't mean anything, the society is damaged, the culture is filthy and the people don't even know what being British is and then they say this is they're country. Get real!


British people are racist are they? Well according to you, we're "damaged and filthy" just because we're British. Oh no, sorry I'm not allowed to say that as it insults you and therefore that is racist...
Reply 63
Is China too oriental as a country? Is Nigeria too black as a country? Is Egypt too Arab as a country?

Ffs OP change the trolling obsession about diluting the entire race of white people.
Original post by screenager2004
Of course I wasn't. The only point I was making was that variations need to be monitored if we want to rectify the causes of the variation. Institutional racism is just once facet of that.


Yet you mentioned the Army. Why does it matter if some ethnicities are under represent and some over? The Army doesn't go out of it's way to reject ethnic minorities. It simpy accepts those that pass the required training.
You also mentioned hospitals. Are you implying that hospitals turn away ethnic minorities?
Original post by pol pot noodles
Yet you mentioned the Army. Why does it matter if some ethnicities are under represent and some over? The Army doesn't go out of it's way to reject ethnic minorities. It simpy accepts those that pass the required training.
You also mentioned hospitals. Are you implying that hospitals turn away ethnic minorities?


You are only looking at one side.

It's not just about whether the army 'turns away' people. It's also about why aren't certain demographics applying in the first place.

Again hospitals - it's not just about hospitals accepting patients - it's also about why do certain demographics get ill more than others?
Original post by screenager2004
You are only looking at one side.

It's not just about whether the army 'turns away' people. It's also about why aren't certain demographics applying in the first place.


What does it matter? Does it really kill you that the army isn't perfectly proportioned to fit UK society? Are you going to disband the Gurkhas, since there obviously aren't that many Nepalese people in the UK? And stop all the Pacific Islanders as well? Then dictate that we can never fight a war in the middle east because it offends Muslims and puts them off signing up?

Original post by screenager2004

Again hospitals - it's not just about hospitals accepting patients - it's also about why do certain demographics get ill more than others?


No, it's what are you go to do when you have the answer? Short of some sort of genetically engineering ethnic minorities, what exactly do you propose to solve this non-existant issue?
Original post by pol pot noodles
What does it matter? Does it really kill you that the army isn't perfectly proportioned to fit UK society? Are you going to disband the Gurkhas, since there obviously aren't that many Nepalese people in the UK? And stop all the Pacific Islanders as well? Then dictate that we can never fight a war in the middle east because it offends Muslims and puts them off signing up?


If there is a reason why an entire group of people are discouraged from an occupation for whatever reason, then we need to investigate it because it represents an inequality in society.

We want a society with racial equality yes?


No, it's what are you go to do when you have the answer? Short of some sort of genetically engineering ethnic minorities, what exactly do you propose to solve this non-existant issue?


A non-issue? You think that your skin colour affecting when you die, how likely you are to get cancers, or certain types of injuries - that's not important to you?
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Original post by Historophilia
What you seem to be suggesting smacks of social engineering and I really don't think that anyone is that bothered about exactly how many non-white people live in Britain.

To be honest, this is a bizarre thread, and at the end of the day, doesn't matter, people are people and it doesn't matter if they are black, white, blue or purple.

And I don't think that people thing of multi-racialism as a 'good thing', and most don't think of it as a 'bad thing' either. It is just is. And there certainly isn't a clamour of being calling for more African's to be imported to make us more 'multiracial', that'd be bizarre.

If we want to encourage immigration then we should encourage it because those people have skills we need or are willing to fill jobs that aren't beng filled and perform services because they aren't being filled. It shouldn't be because they happen to be browner than the average Brit.

Also, 'bragging rights'? Really? The day that wealthy and advanced western nations start telling other that 'We have more black people than you', like some bizarre version of a playground argument, then that may be the day that I go into hiding from society.


I couldn't have expressed it better myself. This is not even a question we should be asking; social engineering itself is a ridiculous endeavour.
Reply 69
Original post by Gnobe
There's a lot of talk recently about how diversity is necessary, but how far do we go? And how do we judge what is a good and strong/positive multiracial country?

When you look at other western countries like Canada, America, Australia, the vast majority of its immigrants are not white these days and are probably heading for a more diverse future, so much so to the point that these nations will have very different demographic look to them in 50 years time. They will have great bragging rights you could say when it comes to multiracialism and diversity than Britain or most european countries will maybe not have. You often here quotes like "Hollywood is too white" "the tories are too white" but what defines what is "too white"? So I'm wondering if people could put Britain in the same context?

Like I say people brand multiracialism as a good thing, very few want to go back to a 100% white society but how multiracial do we need to go to satisfy the vast majority of people, particularly liberals? I personally think it's completely necessary but I know many of my opponents will disagree. Are we still not multiracial enough compared to some of our western rivals?? What do you think??


I am brown and I think Britain is awesome. Love the country.
Original post by screenager2004
If there is a reason why an entire group of people are discouraged from an occupation for whatever reason, then we need to investigate it because it represents an inequality in society.


And what of the Gurkhas and Pacific Islanders? There obviously can never be an accurate portrayal of the UK within the Army as long as they are over represented.

Original post by screenager2004

We want a society with racial equality yes?


I want a society with equal opportunities, not one that bends over backwards to enhance ethnic minorities. As it is, anyone has the opportunity to join the armed forces. Why some choose not to is their own personal business. Affirmative action is a paradox; attempting to create fairness by purposefully favouring one portion of society.

Original post by screenager2004

A non-issue? You think that your skin colour affecting when you die, how likely you are to get cancers, or certain types of injuries - that's not important to you?


It's a non-issue as far as it being a social issue. It's a medical one. You've taken the fact that some ethnicities are more prone to certain diseases and implied that there's some sort of institutional racism at play. If they are more prone to disease, they need more hospital beds. What do you want to do, infect healthy people and kick out ill ones so that other demographics meet their percentage quota?
Original post by pol pot noodles
And what of the Gurkhas and Pacific Islanders? There obviously can never be an accurate portrayal of the UK within the Army as long as they are over represented.

In an equal society, there shouldn't be an over/under representation of any demogrpahic in the uk.


I want a society with equal opportunities, not one that bends over backwards to enhance ethnic minorities. As it is, anyone has the opportunity to join the armed forces. Why some choose not to is their own personal business. Affirmative action is a paradox; attempting to create fairness by purposefully favouring one portion of society.


Why a single person chooses not to is a personal choice.
When an entire race of people, across the country, all independently at the same time choose not to - clearly there is something social, above them and beyond their control, affecting their choices.

I don't think you understand what the purpose of social engineering is -
Take for example - white working class males do the worst of any race in school. We know this because we have monitored the races of test results. We investigate the reasons why white working class males underperform through further observation, and it appears to be that, say, they're put off education because they lack positive white role models from their community who have done well for them to look up to.
As a response, the government funds a series of events where old members of the community who have done well in life come back to the school to give talks and provide role models for those boys to aspire to.

This is social engineering. It makes it fair for everyone.


It's a non-issue as far as it being a social issue. It's a medical one. You've taken the fact that some ethnicities are more prone to certain diseases and implied that there's some sort of institutional racism at play. If they are more prone to disease, they need more hospital beds.


Oh dear. Whether you go to hospital or not is more complicated than genetic susceptibility to disease.

What do you want to do, infect healthy people and kick out ill ones so that other demographics meet their percentage quota?


Lol wut? Why? You totally don't get it do you. It's not about changing the unequal numbers to become equal, it's about changing the underlying causes that cause the numbers to be unequal in the first place.
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Original post by pol pot noodles




I want a society with equal opportunities, not one that bends over backwards to enhance ethnic minorities. As it is, anyone has the opportunity to join the armed forces. Why some choose not to is their own personal business. Affirmative action is a paradox; attempting to create fairness by purposefully favouring one portion of society.





You want society with equal opportunities? Sure you do. No affirmative action? Sure you do. I would like to point out that majority of the immigrants are impoverished. Sure there are destitute native people, but the percentage of destitution in ethnic minorities is much higher. Most of them don't have access to public services. In theory yes, not in practice. The amount of paperwork is mind-boggling for every small matter. If you want fairness in society, be sure to make the starting line equal too.
Dude whatever I love the country.
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Reply 73
It's not white enough.
Reply 74
There is no such thing as 100% equality in anything, it doesn't exist and will never exist... where it could probably exist is in theory only.

As for affirmative action or social engineering. If you are to lower to standard to attain such figures than your goal of creating equality is akin to creating rubbish. Just like you can't legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity you can't change things just by having preferential treatment. I find it strange everyone talks about meritocracy but would bend over backwards to accommodate a racial based system.

Is UK too white? No it isn't, if anything UK is one of the easiest places for an ethnic minority to make a good living, question is whether they WANT to do something about their life and access to resources or prefer waiting for benefits to fall onto their laps.
Reply 75
Quite the contrary.
Reply 76
Original post by Gnobe
Bogus statistics?? Well be my guest:



These are permanent residencies to Australia.

For more detail, a 69 page publication from the Aussie government gives you this:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/immigration-update/update-2010-11.pdf

Notice also where a lot of the other countries are coming from? So when I say potential asian majority I think I know what I am talking about. Page 4 of that report should help a bit for the regional analysis. The trend is also increasing that way as India will overtake Britain within a couple of years.


Bit strange, as the previous three years (as demonstrated by links) show that the UK was the top source for migrants into Australia for the previous three years.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/statistics/pdf/report-on-migration-program-2007-08.pdf

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/statistics/pdf/report-on-migration-program-2008-09.pdf

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/statistics/pdf/report-on-migration-program-2009-10.pdf

P.S - Australia quite possibly has a high number of migrants from Asia because they are much more closely linked, in terms of geography and and economy, that most other continents
Scotland is. I think we could do with a bit of ethnic diversity up here.
>>>Race does not matter<<<
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Reply 79
Original post by Cyanohydrin
Scotland is. I think we could do with a bit of ethnic diversity up here.


What is so bad about the whites in scotland?

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