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Why old people suck and are screwing us over

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    (Original post by chefdave)
    According to a recent study the boomers own 80% of the country's wealth, what they're effectively done is trousered everything and left their children in a state of poverty with high house prices, a £trillion national debt and the worst economic crisis since 1929. And you're defending this dire state of affairs because a reserval would be considered 'tyranny'? :confused:
    80%???!?!? Are you serious? Where did you read this? [EDIT: Just found it on Wikipedia. **** me.]

    My stupid parents and their cushy early retirements and bus passes and amazing health. They go on about a billion holidays a year! (Obviously I'm glad that they're enjoying retirement because I love them, but it is a bit ridiculous really - they will probably live for another 20-30 years!)
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    But old people are the most vunerable members of society. Don't forget that many have worked for 60 years of their lives, do they not deserve a bit of security and peace at the end of their lives?

    Remember we're all going to be that age one day, would you be happy to let the state you have payed into for so many years just abandon you and let you fend for yourself? You're just being incredibly selfish OP, did an old man beat you up today or something?
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    (Original post by Pareidolia)
    Hello Ozzy.
    Hey, don't dare compare him to the Prince of Darkness!
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    My idea is that we cut off all Public services, including NHS treatment and pensions, to people over 80. If you are that old, you should be dead. If you want to live, finance it yourself.
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    God the OP is a right see you next tuesday
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)


    I have long been an advocate of phasing out the vast majority of benefits for old people. The NHS. State pensions. Free bus travel. So on and so forth.

    Guess which people have the highest stock of wealth? Old people and particularly because of government sponsored inflated house prices. The old have the most money yet they get the vast majority of benefits.

    It really pisses me off when people complain about young people who are apparently too lazy to get job and that they should get off their asses because we have to pay for their benefits. It is ****ing tuppence, JSA is ****ing nothing compared to the welfare the old get. And yet these same people will not even a bat an eyelid at all the old welfare whores.

    One of the greatest transfers of wealth in the Western world which is largely unspoken of is the inflation of house prices which has made the old land owners wealthy and the young in a state of servitude to bank credit. The 1% top earners are not problem (these are not the same people every year and these people lose big and win big) it is the old people who keep on abstracting wealth from the young.

    It might sound harsh but the bottom line is that the old people are a financial time bomb who are seriously screwing the young over. We have to pay their debt. Even though we have less money. And we have to pay loads for homes that they get the benefit of inflated prices from.

    Seriously, **** the old.


    edit : Sorry about the diabolical prose, I was very angry when I wrote this. This is how I felt
    There is no point transferring wealth to people like you... you would just fritter it away on "mary jane" and pop star music
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    (Original post by Gregory House)
    God the OP is a right see you next tuesday
    well said
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    Just remember that one day, you are going to be old.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    The issue about cost of housing is one of supply and demand in the housing market, that is why house prices have gone up so much however this isn't so much an issue of the old v the young, it's a social divide of the families who own property (particularly more than one home) v families that don't. If your Mum and Dad own 3 homes, then don't get too bitchy towards them about having screwed the future generation....as you / your siblings are going to inherit the benefits. If your Mum and Dad don't own property then you're on the wrong side of the social divide.
    The issue of the housing market has little or nothing to do with real supply and demand. It is all to do with loose monetary policy and fiscal influence like housing benefit.

    The BoE does not account for house prices in their inflation figures. This is truly insane when one considers that most credit or money is created to take out a mortgage. So when banks create money it is usually done to buy property. So we completely new money created and the first thing it buys is property. And that ofcourse inflates the price of property faster than everything else. Why this notion of the asymetric impact of inflation is not understood by the people at the bank of england is beyond me.

    And there should not be a stock of wealth divide. As I said, the government is just reinforcing unjust inequality. It is funny how little things have changed since the land owning aristocracies of the 19th century that were protected by government.

    Young people shouldn't underestimate the advantages they will enjoy of advanced technology. If you went back in a time machine to the 1970s or even 1980s and took an ipod and simple set of speakers, a laptop and a mobile phone, that the average young person has today, it would blow the pants off the best technology the super rich had back then.
    I do not think that justifies the massive debt burden we have. We would have these things had the old not been given huge amounts of welfare or not. It is not like there is some kind of trade off between technological development and welfare to the old.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    People aren't going to rush to retire if OP.s going to starve them off.
    Well yeah, I'm not supporting the mass genocide of elderly people that OP seems to be proposing... :lolwut:
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    According to a recent study the boomers own 80% of the country's wealth, what they're effectively done is trousered everything and left their children in a state of poverty with high house prices, a £trillion national debt and the worst economic crisis since 1929. And you're defending this dire state of affairs because a reserval would be considered 'tyranny'? :confused:
    No I said you couldn't get legislation through to cut people off from the N H S at 70 in a democracy... It would be so unpopular with voters that it would require a tyranny of some sort to force it through.
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    Since when has it been the role of the state to ****ing dress you? When did we vote for that? ****ing Lloyd Georges welfare bill didnt ****ing mension helping you take a ****. You know it ****ing said. A cure of idleness. Not so that the state will wipe your ****ing ass.

    You know who should deal with that. Their kids.

    But no, those useless middle aged ***** would rather stick their parents in a ****ing home at expense of the state. ****ing brilliant.
    By the time a relative reaches an age where they will need full time carer the child will often too be elderly. Exceptions are if your parents had a child when they were 50 or something.

    It is unrealistic and unfair to expect an ageing person to look after one who is even older. Until you have undertaken the often very very difficult task of caring for a relative, I suggest you keep your disgusting opinions to yourself.

    As a beautiful 93 year old lady told me (whilst she was lying waiting to die in a hospital bed): "You think you know it all. All young people do. You don't have experience. You don't know a damn thing until you have experience."

    When you hopefully reach the age at which you'd be called old, you'll want help and compassion and care. You too one day will be that person in a care home, needing to use a commode and zimmer frame.

    And if you expect to pay for that yourself, you'd better start saving now, otherwise you'll be penniless.
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    'If you want to live, pay for it'.

    Disgusting. What happens to the elderly people without families, or with families who are to poor to look after their older relatives? What about the elderly who need specialist care? I don't want to live in a nation in which the most vulnerable are left to rot.

    Edit: Also, your sig is stupid. Why would you quote Mises basically making an 'ad hominem' fallacy?
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    And in before WelshBlueBird, keep your mouth shut.
    No I will not.
    Because, to be frank, telling me that is just proof you have no idea about anything.

    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    ''What about the old poor''
    You did not answer that point.

    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    And if you are old and poor well maybe you should have sorted your ****ing life out by now. You had decades to sort yourself out. If you have ****ed up and if you cannot get your family to help you, I do not see why a young person or an unborn person should pay for you. I have lot more sympathy for a young person who can barely pay the mortgage or has been born into poverty than some old ****er who has not saved for their old age''
    Perhaps they tried? Perhaps they had saved? But perhaps they had to use that money because they were made redundant or lost their job or whatever?
    You are a ****ing disgusting human being if you are happy for old people to suffer and die.
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    (Original post by Drapetomanic)
    'If you want to live, pay for it'.

    Disgusting. What happens to the elderly people without families, or with families who are to poor to look after their older relatives? What about the elderly who need specialist care? I don't want to live in a nation in which the most vulnerable are left to rot.
    I have a lot more compassion for a young kid who starts out in poverty than an old person who has not prepared for their old age. They knew it was coming. Unlike the poor kid who was born into poverty.

    Old people have had their entire lives to prepare. I do not think it fair that they become the burden of the young when they knew what was coming.

    You do not think that specialist care does not come at a cost? That means we have to have nurses and doctors devoted to keeping old people alive whilst not spending their time looking after a young disabled kid. There is a trade off. And I am going to side with the young.

    And if we apply your principles of 'what if' you always end up with hand outs to the wealthy.
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    Since when has it been the role of the state to ****ing dress you? When did we vote for that? ****ing Lloyd Georges welfare bill didnt ****ing mension helping you take a ****. You know it ****ing said. A cure of idleness. Not so that the state will wipe your ****ing ass.

    You know who should deal with that. Their kids.

    But no, those useless middle aged ***** would rather stick their parents in a ****ing home at expense of the state. ****ing brilliant.
    My Gran had Dementia. That was not her fault. That was not our fault.
    We tried to look after her. But do you know something? It is NOT something that someone can do on their own. It is NOT something you can do while keeping yourself in work. You NEED help to be able to do it. If my parents had to look after my Gran with no state help, they would have had to give up their jobs and claim the dole every week.
    You have no idea at all do you.
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    I'd rather see the tax that UK workers paid going towards the cost of looking after our old people than being paid to 'welfare tourists'


    edit, Having read some of the OP's other threads I'm reminded of someone called Bakmouth!
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    Since when has it been the role of the state to ****ing dress you? When did we vote for that? ****ing Lloyd Georges welfare bill didnt ****ing mension helping you take a ****. You know it ****ing said. A cure of idleness. Not so that the state will wipe your ****ing ass.

    You know who should deal with that. Theiar kids.

    But no, those useless middle aged ***** would rather stick their parents in a ****g home at expense of the state. ****ing brilliant.

    The majority of the elderly have spent around 40 plus years contributing to society, playing their part, paying their ****ing taxes and contributing to our economy, and now that they are old and no longer of any use to us let's wash our hands of the pathetic burdens and forget the useless piles of ****.

    I'm so pissed off at your selfish attitude that I would probably throw my steaming hot mug of tea at you if I could, and if I didn't want to waste a damn fine cup of tea on such ridiculous childish thoughts.

    You are just so pathetic really.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    No I will not.
    Because, to be frank, telling me that is just proof you have no idea about anything.



    You did not answer that point.



    Perhaps they tried? Perhaps they had saved? But perhaps they had to use that money because they were made redundant or lost their job or whatever?
    You are a ****ing disgusting human being if you are happy for old people to suffer and die.
    Don't feed the trolls.
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    I think the situation is getting out of hand but you can't seriously do all the things you have said or you would have a serious problem on your hands. Recently they have had people like teachers coming out on strike because their pensions are being reduced (I realise this is from employers) but if you just STOPPED old age pensions every working person in the country would take action on it. Obviously it depends on the job you do but you can't seriously expect people over the age of 70 to work in certain jobs, eg. as a builder or in a highly stressful job like a doctor. It would reduce productivity and increase unemployment for the young as more experienced older people would stay in their jobs for longer and would clearly be more sought after than new graduates.

    I think when you are old you will change your opinions considerably, you won't be working so will need some benefits and although I don't believe all are necessary for the elderly some are. I would say the problem in this country is more unemployment benefit for the long term unemployed, who are perfectly able to work, unlike the elderly.

    What I find stupid is that people are kept living to very old ages, I honestly can't see why elderly people, 92 ish plus who are constantly on medication and need 24 hour care (when they have a very poor quality of life anyway) are kept living off the NHS. I know that sounds harsh, but years ago that wouldn't ever have happened as medicine was just simply not as good or readily available, that is the problem now. Everyone expects to live a long life and live off the state for say 30 - 40 years after they retire, it isn't sustainable and causes problems for the young; example rising tuition fees, brought about by those who paid nothing for university.
    Ok, rant over

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