If God exists why create a universe so vast?
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If God exists why create a universe so vast?If God exists why create a universe so vast that we humans cannot even comprehend its size or dream of travelling to these places?
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?On the proviso that God exists, the postulating an appropriate size for the universe is a bit arbitrary. Why not make it 2m x 3m? Why not make it half the size it currently is? Why not condense it down to a few microns across?(Original post by Lukermsdn111)
If God exists why create a universe so vast that we humans cannot even comprehend its size or dream of travelling to these places? Seems a waste of time.
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?God created EVERYTHING for a purpose. There is not one thing on this earth that doesn't have a purpose.
Sometimes we don't know the purpose. For example only in recent times we have realised the true significance and purpose of trees and plants - for oxygen and medicine.
Likewise, a universe so vast must also have a larger significance that we are yet unaware of. It's all part of the larger plan and design of God.
Furthermore, there may be other similar planets to earth but God may not want us and them to meet yet.
God's creation is wonderful and incomprehensible. He is the Ultimate Creator and His designs are the most perfect, a vast universe is a testament to His existence and His Greatness. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?
What about cancer?(Original post by tif49)
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?Well, you could argue that God had to make DNA, cells, human tissue, etc., to be able to make us like we are; complete with our alledged free will and religious capacity. To make this as efficient and wonderful as possible, those systems were constructed in such a way that also enables cancer. For example: if God had created us with tissue that couldn't mutate, there would be no evolution/mutation of genetic material. So, it is better to create a world with evolution, even if it comes with the cost of sometimes mutating into cancer-cells.
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?
Also, what about opposing religions, and their followers? Genocide? Slavery? The Ichneumonoidea wasps? (which lay their eggs within other insects, allowing their larvae to eventually eat their way through the host, eating the organs in order of necessity to sustain the bug as long as possible before pupation). Joseph Fritzl? Joseph Fritzl's daughter? Famine? AIDS? Drought? Tsunamis? Hurricanes? Earthquakes? Psychopaths? Dictators? I haven't even left the planet, and the horrors here completely refute any possibility of a benevolent, theistic God (possibly evidence of an evil and/or incompetent God though). If you venture out into the cosmos, things only get worse; deadly levels of radiation in a freezing and endless vacuum.(Original post by najinaji)
What about cancer?Last edited by Alex-92; 02-03-2012 at 16:20. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?Because he's God. He can do whatever he wants.
I believe OP you were constituting this as evidence in favour of naturalism (since a universe so vast is bound to contain life) and to an extent it does. But it wouldn't neccesarily constitute as evidence against theism : a thiest could claim that God created life through the means of creating a universe so large.... And this is God's divine intervention. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?Diseases have a purpose also. See how they've advanced our knowledge and understanding about our body.
See how they've prompted great advancement in science, medicine and technology.
I'm no doctor so can't speak specifically about cancer but my religion teaches me that there is a cure for everything, we just have to discover it.
So therefore discoveries are made, and we advance as a species stage by stage because diseases such as cancer prompt us to do so.
Also sometimes certain diseases or illnesses tell us that we are no taking care of our body properly or we are misusing it. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?So you're saying it's okay for 3 year olds to die of leukaemia because it means we can understand human biology better...? Don't you see that if God hadn't invented the disease in the first place, there would be no need to cure it?(Original post by tif49)
Diseases have a purpose also. See how they've advanced our knowledge and understanding about our body.
See how they've prompted great advancement in science, medicine and technology.
I'm no doctor so can't speak specifically about cancer but my religion teaches me that there is a cure for everything, we just have to discover it.
So therefore discoveries are made, and we advance as a species stage by stage because diseases such as cancer prompt us to do so.
Also sometimes certain diseases or illnesses tell us that we are no taking care of our body properly or we are misusing it. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?And in what way does a baby born with HIV, a cleft palate, or Down Syndrome misuse their body?(Original post by tif49)
Also sometimes certain diseases or illnesses tell us that we are no taking care of our body properly or we are misusing it. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?Many of the things you mentioned are only a result of our own wrongful actions. God has given us free will and told us the way to live a decent proper life otherwise you go to Hell.(Original post by Alex-92)
Also, what about opposing religions, and their followers? Genocide? Slavery? The Ichneumonoidea wasps? (which lay their eggs within other insects, allowing their larvae to eventually eat their way through the host, eating the organs in order of necessity to sustain the bug as long as possible before pupation). Joseph Fritzl? Joseph Fritzl's daughter? Famine? AIDS? Drought? Tsunamis? Hurricanes? Earthquakes? Psychopaths? Dictators? I haven't even left the planet, and the horrors here completely refute any possibility of a benevolent, theistic God (possibly evidence of an evil and/or incompetent God though). If you venture out into the cosmos, things only get worse; deadly levels of radiation in a freezing and endless vacuum.
As for opposing religions, again this is the result of man. Originally all religions came from God but man corrupted and changed them therefore God sent new Prophets and new religions.
AIDS is a disease due to man's own irresponsibilities with regards to sexual practices.
As for the natural disasters you mentioned, you have to remember it is all part of a larger plan and design. Natural disasters are part of the law of nature. Also it leads to sympathy and humanitarian aid. It leads to the world uniting and helping one another as it should do.
You have to remember that this world is created in a balance. Good and evil, pain and suffering. Happiness and sadness. One simply cannot exist without the other. If there was only one state - happiness, then it wouldn't really be happiness as you would have no idea what suffering was. It would be boredom. Moreover, where would our incentive be to progress, to develop, to discover and make a better life for ourselves?
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?What about black holes and supervoids?(Original post by tif49)
God created EVERYTHING for a purpose. There is not one thing on this earth that doesn't have a purpose.
Sometimes we don't know the purpose. For example only in recent times we have realised the true significance and purpose of trees and plants - for oxygen and medicine.
Likewise, a universe so vast must also have a larger significance that we are yet unaware of. It's all part of the larger plan and design of God.
Furthermore, there may be other similar planets to earth but God may not want us and them to meet yet.
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?Diseases aren't just from God. They are often a result of man's own actions. Diseases ultimatley have many benefits as well. Imagine if there was no disease, no suffering, where would our incentive be to progress?(Original post by najinaji)
So you're saying it's okay for 3 year olds to die of leukaemia because it means we can understand human biology better...? Don't you see that if God hadn't invented the disease in the first place, there would be no need to cure it?
Haven't you heard of the saying, 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger'? Diseases give us reason to research and discover. They give us sympathy and empathy for our fellow human beings.
If there was no disease, there would be hardly any progress now would there?
Now as for the 3 year old, we say that God grants him a new and better life in the next life. The 3 year old and all others will be compensated for their sufferings and they will be given new opportunities.
People who don't believe in God and the afterlife are much more cruel. They say that you'll have to suffer all you're life and then just die having been in hell all your life. We say no, God grants you new opportunities and compensates you more than sufficiently in the next life.
Also you have to look at the bigger picture, diseases are for the greater good. It's all a part of a larger design of nature and the world. It's all in a balance. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?See my latest post. There are many reasons for this and a baby born with HIV, it's the babies parents fault then isn't it? Why blame God? It's a warning for people about their sexual acts. Practice safe sex.(Original post by mmmpie)
And in what way does a baby born with HIV, a cleft palate, or Down Syndrome misuse their body?
Many a time it is the fault of previous generations acts of misusing their body and not taking care of it.
But you have to look at the bigger picture, it's all a part of a larger and wider design of nature. See my other post. -
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Re: If God exists why create a universe so vast?Like I said, sometimes we don't know the purpose. We've lived on this earth long enough to have learnt that everything on this earth has a purpose.(Original post by IWantSomeMushu)
What about black holes and supervoids?
God is a Wise Creator and there is a purpose to everything. Just because we don't know it, doesn't mean that it's purposeless.
Did people 2000 years ago know the deeper significance of some plants apart from they look nice? Only now we know that it has wider uses such as medicine.
Therefore maybe 100 or so years from now when we've explored space, we'll know more about black holes etc.
