[Cringe]

big houses and big cars are signs of power so a massive universe is the ultimut power

[GunnerBill]

(Original post by Betzella)
well, there is no book that says that plants and animals don't pray, however there are books that say that they do.
why do you assume that they do not pray??

Books that claim plants pray!

Seriously have you been watching "Avatar" too much?

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Oh I see I really think you've mistaken the intent of "praying" to that of "worshipping".

The Qur'an however states that everything in nature 'submits / prostrates' to Allah. How can that be if only humans worship Allah? The key to understanding this verse lies in realising the fact that the application of the term 'worship', varies depending on what or who it is applied to. In the Qur'an, one is worshipping Allah when he or it is living in accordance with his or its purpose in creation. For us humans, it means obeying all the dictates of the Qur'an which include, prayer, fasting, honesty, justice etc. For animals and insects however, it is to survive and live, being a predator or a pray. They are worshipping Allah, just by being who they are, they live within the bounds of the purpose of their creation. For example, a tree which stays in the same place all day, photosynthesises and releases oxygen is worshipping Allah, purely because that is the only reason why it was created. The reason we humans were created is also for worship, but for us it include rituals of worship and to follow the morality and obligations He placed upon us in the Qur'an. Therefore, everything in nature is always worshipping Allah.

According to Islam plants "worship" allah simply by existing. They do not pray.

[Betzella]

(Original post by GunnerBill)
Books that claim plants pray!

Seriously have you been watching "Avatar" too much?

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Oh I see I really think you've mistaken the intnet of "praying" to that of "worshipping".



According to Islam plants "worship" allah simply by existing. They do not pray.

worshiping is a type of prayer. by worshiping god they pray.

[GunnerBill]

Incidently back on topic - vastness of the universe etc.

Here is some interesting factual information:

List of Galaxies distances etc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_galaxies

System of Cosmological distance measurement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoving_distance

Furthest galaxy/object:
UDFj-39546284 at a distance of 13.2 Billion Lightyears from Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDFj-39546284

UDFj-39546284 is a compact galaxy of blue stars that existed as we see it 13.2 billion years ago, around 480 million years after the Big Bang.

How extreme distances are calculated in the Universe - aka Redshift:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift

[GunnerBill]

(Original post by Betzella)
worshiping is a type of prayer. by worshiping god they pray.

You are clearly insane!

[GunnerBill]

Here's a question:

Christian Bible states:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Fairly equivocal that God created the Universe as referenced by "heavens".

What other religions specifically refer to what god created?

[roar558]

(Original post by Betzella)
worshiping is a type of prayer. by worshiping god they pray.

Umm you've got it the wrong way round. Prayer is a way of worshiping. You pray as a way to worship god.

[Betzella]

(Original post by roar558)
Umm you've got it the wrong way round. Prayer is a way of worshiping. You pray as a way to worship god.

so now you know. they pray to worship god.

[GunnerBill]

(Original post by roar558)
Umm you've got it the wrong way round. Prayer is a way of worshiping. You pray as a way to worship god.

Don't get sucked in to her all consuming madness!

[Betzella]

(Original post by GunnerBill)
Don't get sucked in to her all consuming madness!

Madness??

[GunnerBill]

(Original post by Betzella)
Madness??

Perhaps a subject change?

Any thoughts on the actual size of the universe? If any god created it at a scale of 13.7 billion light years (or more) across is this a challenge to human kind to go and explore or nothing more than a demonstration of absolute superiority?

[Raiden10]

(Original post by Lukermsdn111)
If God exists why create a universe so vast that we humans cannot even comprehend its size or dream of travelling to these places?

This picture seems pertinent: http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-conten...oadcasts1.jpeg

It seems Gandhi took exception to this post.

I wonder who gives him warning points? Hmmm. Probably noone because, well, I mean, he's Gandhi.

[floridadad55]

(Original post by Lukermsdn111)
If God exists why create a universe so vast that we humans cannot even comprehend its size or dream of travelling to these places?

This picture seems pertinent: http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-conten...oadcasts1.jpeg

Humans may not have the ability to travel billions of light years now, but you never know. Look how the science of aviation has progressed since the Wright Brothers, in just 100 years or so.

Also, perhaps God, if there is one, did not create the universe just for humans.

Or perhaps he, or she, has big plans that humans cannot even conceive of.

Or perhaps the universe just seems big to us, just like a trip from London to Birmingham seems impossible far to an ant.

Further, humankind has not been around that long. In the year 2,012,000, we may need to fill those empty spaces out there.

[Stiff Little Fingers]

(Original post by Raiden10)
Why not? Why can't we go there?

Because we have neither the technology, nor the life-span to go there. It would take several billion light years to travel out there, into the depths of the universe, and we're quite a considerable way away from achieving light speed travel.

[mikeyd85]

To keep us quiet with a massive puzzle game called "Solve the Mysteries". The box art looks like this

[Betzella]

(Original post by GunnerBill)
Perhaps a subject change?

Any thoughts on the actual size of the universe? If any god created it at a scale of 13.7 billion light years (or more) across is this a challenge to human kind to go and explore or nothing more than a demonstration of absolute superiority?

What ever god wants to go, is whatever he wants to do. it's his world.
no, god had not stated us the size of the universe.
he just gave us earth and the universe to do whatever, explore or just sit back.
like I previously said in my posts (if you read them), earth and the universe is kind of a prision to us, we are trapped in it and cannot escape our way to the heaven. univers might even be an infinity or a scale that is extreamly high.
God doesn't have to tell us how big it is or where heaven is, it's like a security guard telling a prisioner the way out of prision.

in this universe. it seems that we are lost in this world, we do not know our way out, and indeed we are not the only earth or planet with human's / human like species, there are many far away planets with other human like species as us living.

God had given us a brain to do out individual thinking and questioning and exploring, and god wants us to explore.

[Raiden10]

(Original post by Alofleicester)
Because we have neither the technology, nor the life-span to go there. It would take several billion light years to travel out there, into the depths of the universe, and we're quite a considerable way away from achieving light speed travel.

Yeah, yet. In any case where is "there"? **** "there". There are loads of planets we can visit.

[GunnerBill]

(Original post by Alofleicester)
Because we have neither the technology, nor the life-span to go there. It would take several billion light years to travel out there, into the depths of the universe, and we're quite a considerable way away from achieving light speed travel.

At present the only kind of exploration we can conceive of is vast colony ships travelling somewhere sub-light speed heading off to who knows where!

Probably if FTL is ever invented the invention might be made aboard these ships allowing them to speed up or if not they would become overtaken by newer ships.

Even if you can get somehwere at vast distance quickly there's a problem in that iof you come back time has elapsed at a greater rate than your travel. Everyone you ever knew is long dead!

Time dilation and space flight
Time dilation would make it possible for passengers in a fast-moving vehicle to travel further into the future while aging very little, in that their great speed slows down the rate of passage of on-board time. That is, the ship's clock (and according to relativity, any human travelling with it) shows less elapsed time than the clocks of observers on Earth. For sufficiently high speeds the effect is dramatic. For example, one year of travel might correspond to ten years at home. Indeed, a constant 1 g acceleration would permit humans to travel through the entire known Universe in one human lifetime.[14] The space travellers could return to Earth billions of years in the future. A scenario based on this idea was presented in the novel Planet of the Apes by Pierre Boulle.

[Lukermsdn111]

Also, perhaps God, if there is one, did not create the universe just for humans.

The Christian bible does not ever mention the idea of extraterrestrial life and, as I mentioned earlier, ties the fate of the entire universe to that of the Earth[1]. Seems pretty human-centric to me.

[1] 2 Peter 3:9-10, 2 Peter 3:7,10; Revelations 21:1

[mczakk]

(Original post by Betzella)
indeed we are not the only earth or planet with human's / human like species, there are many far away planets with other human like species as us living.

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do the plants and animals on these planets pray too?