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Islam a "genetic" problem?

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    (Original post by Bishy786)
    Prostitutes are often looked down upon in society as having to sell their "wares" to earn a living. This surely makes people lose respect for a particular person.

    Nowadays, we have come up with alternative words such as escorts and companions-for-the-evening to unstigmatize the connotations of a woman who sells herself for money.
    Some people look down on them, some people don't. If I met a prostitute who feels guilty and terrible about what she or he does, I would feel sorry for them and have less respect. If I met one who enjoyed what she or he did, felt self-confident about it and self-assured, I would have high respect for that.
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    (Original post by Bishy786)
    Prostitutes are often looked down upon in society as having to sell their "wares" to earn a living. This surely makes people lose respect for a particular person.

    Nowadays, we have come up with alternative words such as escorts and companions-for-the-evening to unstigmatize the connotations of a woman who sells herself for money.
    Can you actually explain, without reverting to religious concepts of "honour" what makes a prostitute worthy of disrespect?
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    I think this is a little silly.

    Especially as Christianity is doing rather well in Africa, especially the areas with 'lower average IQ'.


    I think the answer is not to do with any particular religion. But in less developed regions, which most of the time will also have a lower average IQ, tend to have a higher percentage of believers. This is because they need something to give their life meaning, to believe in a higher purpose when everyone around them is dieing etc.

    Which is why we see, in most cases, nations become less religious as they advance. There are of course, exceptions. Such as the US, but this is explai9ned by various other factors, such as the age of the Nation, it's inception and so forth. But generally speaking, as advancement comes, religion goes.
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    And thats fine, until I receive a lot of respect from muslim men in my own country I'll make my own assumptions.
    With all due respect, how do you expect to "receive a lot of respect" from any man as an escort/prostitute. I'm not trying to be malicious or anything, just genuinely intruiged.
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    Stress free lives? When I was about 7 and lived in Haslingden I was playing in my street and saw the muslim woman in her window across the road beating her child with a garden cane and shouting allah amekdu or something along them lines. All older muslim women look like they've had a horrific life, I'm sorry, but its true even my mum and boyfriend has pointed it out.
    So you base your assumptions on one event that took place 15-20 years ago?

    The other day, I saw a WHITE haggered old woman with 4 kids who looked around 70. I asked her how are are grand kids and imagine my amazement when she said took offense and said that they were HER kids and that she was only 30. Apparently she was working full time to support her kids.

    Now excuse me if I don't take that particular even as a BLUEPRINT for all WHITE WOMEN.

    You act as though all women really want to do is stay at home and look after kids. How sexist can you be? Many women want careers and to travel and enjoy their independence. I spent 6 months living off my boyfriend and got bored and went back to work, I like having my own money. It would be like having a parent, having to ask your man for money all the time. Very scavvy and lazy, what if your man cheats on you? Oh wait, I suppose most muslim women don't know that their man is cheating (most probably with young white girls). More pity them.
    Exactly. Islam does not place restrictions on women working. In fact, it ensures that there are safeguards in place in the event that it doesn't work out for them.

    So as long the work is compatible with Islamic principles, a women CAN go out to work. They can even employ household staff so that they can go out to work but they don't, placing the responsibility of raising their own children FIRST.

    I'm not arguing that women should not work. In fact, it is the opposite in Islam as a women should expect to get fed, sheltered, clothed and everything else without having to spend any of their own money. If the women happens to be more wealthy than her husband, then she is under no obligation to spend any of that money on her household.
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    (Original post by AndrewWong92)
    Why the hell do you keep mentioning young white girls? Because the media has reported like two cases? What about christian bishops and young males?

    So you are saying only muslim men cheat? How wrong you are. We are in a society which has increasing high divorce and teenage pregnancy rates. Think how many people vow to stay with each other forever yet get a divorce? So they have other sexual partners but this isnt classed as cheating because you are basically decrimalising yourself.

    You are basically having your limited experience to discriminate and judge an entire religion? Isnt that in itself incredible disrespectful...and also a bit racist?
    That's a little ironic. Throughout this discussion you've portrayed British people as being homogenously devoted to binge drinking.
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    In a controlled environment, maybe forcing women to stay at home and having only men work would work, there'd be no women employed thus most men would be able to find employment, and the human race can carry on tediously and women can just sit at home like breeding machines and having no life of their own, basically just all become conveyor belts.

    Problem is society has moved on and many women now have ambitions, who are you to deny them just for the sake of 'society'?
    I've addressed this point in the post that I have just posted.
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    2 of my sisters are at University studying to get a well paid job... wait!.. How can they go to University and get jobs if they're Muslims?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    Its quite shocking really, its like they arnt as advance a species or something.
    Are you serious? If you are then I feel sorry for you for being such an ignorant, thick ****. Oh, and I think it's funny that a prosititute, like yourself, can look down on anybody else.
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    (Original post by Bishy786)
    In ancient times, the Greeks had the highest IQ's, then it was the Romans, the Chinese, the Indians, and then when Europe was still in the DARK AGES, it was the MUSLIMS. After that, it was the Europeans and now it's the turn of the Americans.

    (Original post by Bonged.)
    There is a debate to be had about race and IQ, but Islam isn't a race. You've just highlighted the fact that muslims tend to come from poor countries.

    Apart from that, there's nothing more to be said...
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    (Original post by -Illmatic-)
    With all due respect, how do you expect to "receive a lot of respect" from any man as an escort/prostitute. I'm not trying to be malicious or anything, just genuinely intruiged.
    I find it hilarious when people say this, as if its plainly obvious I'm one just from looking at me. For crying out loud, get a grip please. Do you presume I prostitute myself all the time and wear very little all the time? Maybe with some thigh high PVC boots and a fag hanging out my mouth?
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    (Original post by FrigidSymphony)
    You're assuming all women feel like that, when many, many people, men and women alike, could not live without the satisfaction of providing for oneself and being self-sufficient. Assuming women want to be catered to is a tremendous lack of respect.
    If I placed 1000 women in a room and asked "How many of you would like £10,000 free money to spend on whatever you like?" or "How many of you would like to work for me so you could earn £10,000?", which would be the most popular answer?

    Case closed....

    As for the rest of your post, it's simply nonsense. The family is not the basis of all societies.
    Tell me what society is BASED ON?
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    (Original post by Salmaa!)
    Are you serious? If you are then I feel sorry for you for being such an ignorant, thick ****. Oh, and I think it's funny that a prosititute, like yourself, can look down on anybody else.
    It was very tongue in cheek, I obviously dont think that.

    It is an intriguing topic though, and looking at the figures it cannot be denied there is a huge difference in intellectual ability. I'm not sure what it is to do with, but I'd say the backward cultural norms and extreme violence goes in someway to prove these countries may be lacking in something brainwise. Just in general.
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    If everyone just treated everyone how they wanted to be treated and didnt exploit people there wouldnt be any of these problems
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    (Original post by Bishy786)
    If I placed 1000 women in a room and asked "How many of you would like £10,000 free money to spend on whatever you like?" or "How many of you would like to work for me so you could earn £10,000?", which would be the most popular answer?

    Case closed....



    Tell me what society is BASED ON?
    Men would answer the same way.

    Society is based on society. It's self-determining. It's simply a collection of people living and interacting together, according to certain structures set up by society itself. It has no "basis" in the sense that you think. Read some basic sociology textbooks, for chrissakes, or an analysis of Camus' "The Stranger".
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    (Original post by Salmaa!)
    Are you serious? If you are then I feel sorry for you for being such an ignorant, thick ****. Oh, and I think it's funny that a prosititute, like yourself, can look down on anybody else.
    Why is that? You shouldn't let your personal religious convictions affect how you treat people in daily life.
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    (Original post by FrigidSymphony)
    Some people look down on them, some people don't. If I met a prostitute who feels guilty and terrible about what she or he does, I would feel sorry for them and have less respect. If I met one who enjoyed what she or he did, felt self-confident about it and self-assured, I would have high respect for that.
    Hypothetically speaking, you are a female prostitute and you have just met this amazing guy who is totally into you.

    And if the subject of your occupation were to come up, and it is bound to, what would your reply be?

    Would you just "out" yourself or hedge the issue and say "escort" or one of those funky names which takes the edge off the connotations of prostitute?
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    (Original post by Bishy786)
    If I placed 1000 women in a room and asked "How many of you would like £10,000 free money to spend on whatever you like?" or "How many of you would like to work for me so you could earn £10,000?", which would be the most popular answer?

    Case closed....



    Tell me what society is BASED ON?
    Stop stereotyping women. About 2 years ago I got a proposal from a lovely older man who had loads of money, houses all over europe and wanted to take my away, be with me and look after me. I could have said yes, he took me to loads of nice restaurants etc, but I said no. Why? Because I'm young and want to live my life, do my own thing, make my own money, meet people and not be treated like a child that has to be looked after. And I think you'll find many women feel the same, maybe your to used to be around lazy women that know nothing else than opening their legs, pushing kids out and cooking husbands curry.
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    (Original post by Salmaa!)
    Are you serious? If you are then I feel sorry for you for being such an ignorant, thick ****. Oh, and I think it's funny that a prosititute, like yourself, can look down on anybody else.
    I think it's funny that you somehow think you're in a position to judge someone else.

    Who died and made you God? :confused:
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    (Original post by Bishy786)
    Hypothetically speaking, you are a female prostitute and you have just met this amazing guy who is totally into you.

    And if the subject of your occupation were to come up, and it is bound to, what would your reply be?

    Would you just "out" yourself or hedge the issue and say "escort" or one of those funky names which takes the edge off the connotations of prostitute?
    I might lie until I was comfortable enough that he'd be cool with it. In any case, why should I let his judgement determine my self-respect of confidence?
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