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    (Original post by abdirizak)
    i feel sorry and sympathize with you for what awaits you in the hereafter. remove the hatred in your heart and try to learn islam only then will you know that it has no fault.
    Giving out God's judgement in his place? :rolleyes:

    you're just 16, son.

    You don't kn ow anything about the world, yet.

    Live a little, keep and open mind, and you might go somewhere in life.
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    (Original post by QMHistoryguy)
    Why do you assume he is a communist? I would assume that the poster is quite the opposite.

    As for 'the good old days' and the 'Arabs' as one people... The Ottoman Empire waged constant wars with Safavid, Wahabi, and Egyptians, to name but a few, right across muslim lands (as well as slaughtering many thousands of their own subjects). There was chaos and division in the middle east, N. africa and arab lands long before European colonial powers arrived there. You must be referring to the pre-Ottoman Arabian lands, and I am afraid at that point you are getting into folk mythology devoid of historical gravitas.

    And it is probably quite racist to lump all Europeans including Russians together as one. After all the US and the West saved Afghanistan from the invading USSR by supplying billions of dollars worth of high tech munitions. Their repulsion probably had little if anything to do with some kind of ideologically powerful jihad stirred by invading non-muslims.

    And that last paragraph is highly offensive. Your clearly a d**k and I wish you nothing but bad luck.
    Usa, saudi arabia and others provided money, the muslim soldiers trained in pakistan before going to afghanistan. So pls do not make it look the west did everything. The west also managed to make iraq go to war with iran, put the middles east in chaos, put a dictator in charge of iran (the shah). Also managed to slaughter thousands of iraqis for "weapons of mass destruction".

    I find it also funny that nato did help in libya, but still supports bahrain and yemen. You only help where you see benefit for yourselves, maybey some of the people will care but the governments no.
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    (Original post by LethalXGhost)
    Giving out God's judgement in his place? :rolleyes:

    you're just 16, son.

    You don't kn ow anything about the world, yet.

    Live a little, keep and open mind, and you might go somewhere in life.
    If you are a disbeliever and Allah has already said disbelievers will go to hell, so he is just relating to you the words.
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    (Original post by LethalXGhost)
    Mods, please don't delete this.


    Anybody who criticizes Islam (many do it very accurately) is negged profusely. Most people don't even bother replying or bother debating why they disagree and those that do, usually come out with illogical brainwashed rhetoric.

    Then, there are Pro Islam comments/apologies which although might not be rational or cohesive, get tons of thumbs ups.

    Why is this? Well, for the Muslim neggers, I personally think it is very simple. They lack personal viewpoints, they're basically sheep who are products of a twisted political hate-ideology which requires complete submission of reason and free thought. The remaining(few) neggers are probably foolish liberals.

    Discuss.
    Hello LethalXGhost,

    Sadly, many people do not take the time to rationally write the reasons they disagree with a certain post or thread, and yet want to express their extreme displeasure at the post or thread that riles them up so.

    Please keep in mind that many Muslims do not have the freedom to publicly change their beliefs, which is why in many Muslim-dominated countries, critical thinking of their belief (though not of other beliefs) is heavily discouraged, and apostates are in mortal danger in many cases.

    Sadly, many "Christians" long time ago, also imprisoned people into Christian beliefs, which is against the teachings of Jesus. Sad to say, many "Christians" killed "apostates", forced converted people, and persecuted those who were not their "kind" of Christian. Jesus did not teach his disciples to kill or force convert people to believe in him (Jesus) or kill apostates. Rather, Jesus taught them to love. Sad to say, so many "Christians" throughout the ages have not obeyed Jesus' teachings.

    Anyways, when I see negative reps by my posts, I simply acknowledge them as being given by a person or people who I have pity for them, because I believe they are not free to think critically about their own views and thereby feel the need to negative rep everything that is not in their own little box of beliefs.

    Peace and God bless you
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    No, you're the oblivious one. I'm talking as an Arab living in this country. Have you ever been to a Muslim country and seen how the religion functions? Don't think so. Have you ever seen how those people live before you call them slaves to a hate ideology? Don't think so. People Neg rep these posters because they miss the point that no ideology is a pure one. They are all as sick and twisted as each other, clawing for power over and over again. And no, the opposite of ideology is not objectivity, it's more ideology. Reason and free thought? Are you having a laugh?! Remember Auschwitz and the Atomic bomb? Remember the fear of the Cold War? That's what your progress has brought you. Perfectly rational acts, but they are sick, morally bankrupt, calculative, inhuman acts that anyone who reads about feels nauseous after. World Wars and constant conflict. And look where your frivolous utopian free thought has taken you: Failed communism and bloated socialism. They're all as cruel as each other and don't you dare pretend otherwise.

    That's why people turn to fundamentalist Islam. Because after being invaded by corrupt ideologies like these over and over again, whether it's from the Soviet Union or the US, they harken back to the good old days where they can still take pride in their identities. Afghanistan was a very secular country before the USSR became interested in it. The Arabs used to be one people, but you've divided and ruled, invaded and conquered, and then you get angry when the Arabs come to find work in your country? To try and better themselves? After you've pranced all over their land and divided it amongst yourselves?

    Take a leaf out of your own book: look at what is going on in the UK, the archaic country who still has religion enshrined in their parliament with bishops in the House of Lords. Don't think your **** doesn't stink. You're just as archaic, as barbaric, as misinformed, as hateful as the next people. You should read of the horrors that your empire and ideology has committed. That's why people neg rep these posts, because of their obnoxious elitism, even with all the horrible things that the Arabs do, and they've done plenty don't worry, they don't hold a candle to the West, and some people just like to support the underdog I guess.
    The disassociation of past and present is a crucial one.
    "Your ancestors did such and such, therefore you owe us this and that" is a dense argument.

    We have every right to criticise Islam, if we find the values it promotes distasteful.
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    (Original post by Perseveranze)
    I also never run, whenever I nave the time to get in a debate here, I don't remember losing.

    You "never lose" because your mind is sealed shut. You're closed off to criticism or opposition.

    Debating with people like you is like debating with a brick wall. There's just no point.
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    Maybe just maybe these 'sheep' like muslims have better things to do than to sit on TSR and reply to duma** ignorant people like you
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    (Original post by puresse)
    Maybe just maybe these 'sheep' like muslims have better things to do than to sit on TSR and reply to duma** ignorant people like you
    I hope you appreciate the irony in your post.
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    (Original post by Tudball)
    The disassociation of past and present is a crucial one.
    "Your ancestors did such and such, therefore you owe us this and that" is a dense argument.

    We have every right to criticise Islam, if we find the values it promotes distasteful.
    Yes and no.

    It is true that the days of out and out colonialism is over, and that things have changed a lot, especially for the British. My God, my Grandfather used to tell me stories of Jordan, and how the British would walk by and spit in peoples food one by one so that nobody could eat, just to annoy them. I mean back then, the British had a very hardwired superiority complex. Things are different now, however, there are still many things the west do which annoy the Arabs (Iraq, Afghanistan, support dictators etc), and also many distasteful things in western ideologies. To put it bluntly, you're not going to make any muslim change their minds by arguing against their ideology, when they think that the west has done much more horrific things from following western ideologies. And lets face it, the west doesn't have a good track record, so of course strange ideologies will emerge in reaction.

    What I was trying to do, rather than say "you owe us", was show the irony of the OP's argument, as that is all that can be done. The reason for that is because you can't win an argument between ideologies. You either come at it from one angle, or another. Like I said, the opposite of ideology is not objectivity, it's more ideology. Here Kolakowski is absolutely correct with his Law of Infinite Cornucopia, whereby "for any given doctrine one wants to believe, there is never a shortage of arguments by which one can support it".

    But if you want to be trivial, if you want to nitpick and "criticize Islam if it promotes distasteful values", go ahead! Just be sure that you will be met with even more determination and even more hardheadedness. This whole "critique an ideology" thing you guys have over here is nothing more than slander, to try to misunderstand the other, stereotype them. We should be trying to explain ourselves, rather than abstract our positions and battle from there. If you want to play the slanderous game however, we can:

    Just a few days ago I heard about calls in America to try to respect the rights and desires of necrophiliacs. They argued that there should be some official means for people to donate their body to people who would like to eat them after they die, because you know, they consent. Does this example not epitomize the strange mental slavery of the US culture? Constant pleasure seeking, addiction to the senses, trying to always find new ways to invest desire. Yuck. What a strange byproduct of liberal capitalism, but a byproduct nonetheless.
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    Yes and no.

    It is true that the days of out and out colonialism is over, and that things have changed a lot, especially for the British. My God, my Grandfather used to tell me stories of Jordan, and how the British would walk by and spit in peoples food one by one so that nobody could eat, just to annoy them. I mean back then, the British had a very hardwired superiority complex. Things are different now, however, there are still many things the west do which annoy the Arabs (Iraq, Afghanistan, support dictators etc), and also many distasteful things in western ideologies. To put it bluntly, you're not going to make any muslim change their minds by arguing against their ideology, when they think that the west has done much more horrific things from following western ideologies. And lets face it, the west doesn't have a good track record, so of course strange ideologies will emerge in reaction.

    What I was trying to do, rather than say "you owe us", was show the irony of the OP's argument, as that is all that can be done. The reason for that is because you can't win an argument between ideologies. You either come at it from one angle, or another. Like I said, the opposite of ideology is not objectivity, it's more ideology. Here Kolakowski is absolutely correct with his Law of Infinite Cornucopia, whereby "for any given doctrine one wants to believe, there is never a shortage of arguments by which one can support it".

    But if you want to be trivial, if you want to nitpick and "criticize Islam if it promotes distasteful values", go ahead! Just be sure that you will be met with even more determination and even more hardheadedness. This whole "critique an ideology" thing you guys have over here is nothing more than slander, to try to misunderstand the other, stereotype them. We should be trying to explain ourselves, rather than abstract our positions and battle from there. If you want to play the slanderous game however, we can:

    Just a few days ago I heard about calls in America to try to respect the rights and desires of necrophiliacs. They argued that there should be some official means for people to donate their body to people who would like to eat them after they die, because you know, they consent. Does this example not epitomize the strange mental slavery of the US culture? Constant pleasure seeking, addiction to the senses, trying to always find new ways to invest desire. Yuck. What a strange byproduct of liberal capitalism, but a byproduct nonetheless.
    I don't agree with OP's position; this is just my own.

    It's not what we're criticising that's important, in my view. It's the right to criticise; I don't like how "racism" and "Islamophobia" have stifled and stagnated reasonable discourse.

    I understand that neither side is willing to budge on their views, but the right to toss around ideas and criticisms is important to me. Limiting such rights has only exacerbated the stratification of our society; creating double-standards and whatnot.

    I understand that such talk is the rhetoric of the racists and genuine Islamophobes, but to a considerable extent, it's true. We've become so thin-skinned to the concept of criticism; everything is seen as racially-motivated or borne of unreasonable hatred.

    And that's exploited by many minority groups being criticised by the majority; that the majority is criticising them because they're "racist". Even in writing this post, I had to ensure that I came across as reasonable, and not some sort of hatred-spewing racist. That isn't right, especially when I'm far from it.

    That's my concern, if it makes sense.
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    (Original post by LethalXGhost)
    Mods, please don't delete this.


    Anybody who criticizes Islam (many do it very accurately) is negged profusely. Most people don't even bother replying or bother debating why they disagree and those that do, usually come out with illogical brainwashed rhetoric.

    Then, there are Pro Islam comments/apologies which although might not be rational or cohesive, get tons of thumbs ups.

    Why is this? Well, for the Muslim neggers, I personally think it is very simple. They lack personal viewpoints, they're basically sheep who are products of a twisted political hate-ideology which requires complete submission of reason and free thought. The remaining(few) neggers are probably foolish liberals.

    Discuss.
    Actually on many a occasion i have debated continuously and when i make a point the other side cannot reply to they blank me and continue to open up new threads without replying anymore.
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    Secular democracy is REALLY the best system isn't it.. suicide remains the most common cause of death in men aged under 35 in the UK..
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    (Original post by sabre2th1)
    Secular democracy is REALLY the best system isn't it.. suicide remains the most common cause of death in men aged under 35 in the UK..
    That's a tenuous link.
    "Secular democracy leads to suicide".
    What ridiculous twaddle. Correlation does not imply causation.
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    (Original post by LethalXGhost)
    Mods, please don't delete this.


    Anybody who criticizes Islam (many do it very accurately) is negged profusely. Most people don't even bother replying or bother debating why they disagree and those that do, usually come out with illogical brainwashed rhetoric.

    Then, there are Pro Islam comments/apologies which although might not be rational or cohesive, get tons of thumbs ups.

    Why is this? Well, for the Muslim neggers, I personally think it is very simple. They lack personal viewpoints, they're basically sheep who are products of a twisted political hate-ideology which requires complete submission of reason and free thought. The remaining(few) neggers are probably foolish liberals.

    Discuss.
    Why are so many fags like you on TSR concerned with 'neg rep' Get a life fool.
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    (Original post by LethalXGhost)
    Mods, please don't delete this.


    Anybody who criticizes Islam (many do it very accurately) is negged profusely. Most people don't even bother replying or bother debating why they disagree and those that do, usually come out with illogical brainwashed rhetoric.

    Then, there are Pro Islam comments/apologies which although might not be rational or cohesive, get tons of thumbs ups.
    It's the same rubbish spewed out again. Pick a horrid verse in the Qur'an, superimpose your own ideals and confront Muslims or either cherrypick a Muslim incident, complain anyone who disagrees as a ''lefty" and incriminate the religion of 1.5 billion.


    Why is this? Well, for the Muslim neggers, I personally think it is very simple. They lack personal viewpoints, they're basically sheep who are products of a twisted political hate-ideology which requires complete submission of reason and free thought. The remaining(few) neggers are probably foolish liberals.

    Discuss.
    Islam has had 1500 years for a reason. Had that been the case, it would have slowly relegated to the same trend as Christianity did in Europe- shoved to the side.
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    (Original post by Tudball)
    I don't agree with OP's position; this is just my own.

    It's not what we're criticising that's important, in my view. It's the right to criticise; I don't like how "racism" and "Islamophobia" have stifled and stagnated reasonable discourse.

    I understand that neither side is willing to budge on their views, but the right to toss around ideas and criticisms is important to me. Limiting such rights has only exacerbated the stratification of our society; creating double-standards and whatnot.

    I understand that such talk is the rhetoric of the racists and genuine Islamophobes, but to a considerable extent, it's true. We've become so thin-skinned to the concept of criticism; everything is seen as racially-motivated or borne of unreasonable hatred.

    And that's exploited by many minority groups being criticised by the majority; that the majority is criticising them because they're "racist". Even in writing this post, I had to ensure that I came across as reasonable, and not some sort of hatred-spewing racist. That isn't right, especially when I'm far from it.

    That's my concern, if it makes sense.
    Ok, ok, I see your position. I can tell you're much more moderate, and that you have a strong position on free speech etc. That's fine, I have nothing against your position at all, apart from maybe one of tactics, but nothing worth disagreeing over. Arabs have a history of valuing free speech anyway, so it's not really a contention of ideologies.
    I also think you probably know the kind of argument I am making a case against. But regardless, you are right that we need more respectful dialogue.
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    (Original post by Tudball)
    That's a tenuous link.
    "Secular democracy leads to suicide".
    What ridiculous twaddle. Correlation does not imply causation.
    A country where materialism is the norm is doomed to collapse. You mark my words.
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    (Original post by sabre2th1)
    A country where materialism is the norm is doomed to collapse. You mark my words.
    Well, thank goodness Islam is coming to save us from our own hedonism, right?
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    (Original post by Tudball)
    Well, thank goodness Islam is coming to save us from our own hedonism, right?
    Hahaha, no, on the contrary, if anything, Islam would teach you how to enjoy yourselves again :P
    Impotence is on the rise in the west, drug use and smoking are decreasing, people are always watching what they eat, analyzing their psychological state etc. The west is racked with anxiety, neurosis, depression, alienation etc. So no, you're not hedonistic, you just like the idea of hedonism, which is why there are such extreme pushes to try to satisfy desires, sometimes in admirably complex ways (necrophiliac example above being one). I have to say that from personal, experience, the Arabs enjoy themselves more. When you have a God, you stop caring about these things, you leave it up to the creator and allow yourself the freedom to enjoy the little time you have. Very simple really, that's why they call it Islam - submission.
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    (Original post by LethalXGhost)
    Mods, please don't delete this.


    Anybody who criticizes Islam (many do it very accurately) is negged profusely. Most people don't even bother replying or bother debating why they disagree and those that do, usually come out with illogical brainwashed rhetoric.

    Then, there are Pro Islam comments/apologies which although might not be rational or cohesive, get tons of thumbs ups.

    Why is this? Well, for the Muslim neggers, I personally think it is very simple. They lack personal viewpoints, they're basically sheep who are products of a twisted political hate-ideology which requires complete submission of reason and free thought. The remaining(few) neggers are probably foolish liberals.

    Discuss.
    did you just say we are sheeps? then you are a Pig:mad:

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