(Original post by Post)
Yes and no.
It is true that the days of out and out colonialism is over, and that things have changed a lot, especially for the British. My God, my Grandfather used to tell me stories of Jordan, and how the British would walk by and spit in peoples food one by one so that nobody could eat, just to annoy them. I mean back then, the British had a very hardwired superiority complex. Things are different now, however, there are still many things the west do which annoy the Arabs (Iraq, Afghanistan, support dictators etc), and also many distasteful things in western ideologies. To put it bluntly, you're not going to make any muslim change their minds by arguing against their ideology, when they think that the west has done much more horrific things from following western ideologies. And lets face it, the west doesn't have a good track record, so of course strange ideologies will emerge in reaction.
What I was trying to do, rather than say "you owe us", was show the irony of the OP's argument, as that is all that can be done. The reason for that is because you can't win an argument between ideologies. You either come at it from one angle, or another. Like I said, the opposite of ideology is not objectivity, it's more ideology. Here Kolakowski is absolutely correct with his Law of Infinite Cornucopia, whereby "for any given doctrine one wants to believe, there is never a shortage of arguments by which one can support it".
But if you want to be trivial, if you want to nitpick and "criticize Islam if it promotes distasteful values", go ahead! Just be sure that you will be met with even more determination and even more hardheadedness. This whole "critique an ideology" thing you guys have over here is nothing more than slander, to try to misunderstand the other, stereotype them. We should be trying to explain ourselves, rather than abstract our positions and battle from there. If you want to play the slanderous game however, we can:
Just a few days ago I heard about calls in America to try to respect the rights and desires of necrophiliacs. They argued that there should be some official means for people to donate their body to people who would like to eat them after they die, because you know, they consent. Does this example not epitomize the strange mental slavery of the US culture? Constant pleasure seeking, addiction to the senses, trying to always find new ways to invest desire. Yuck. What a strange byproduct of liberal capitalism, but a byproduct nonetheless.