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It was very severe, worst I've had that I can remember. I didn't actually collapse but it was about a 20 minute walk and for basically all of it I was tempted to just sit down and phone an ambulance. The nebs helped a bit with that test where you blow into the thing to see how ****ed up you are. I went from really ****ed up to just ****ed up. I'd trained just before, deadlifts and rack pulls I think and couldn't continue after my first set of rows. Getting through the workout by using more ammonia than usual was not the smartest thing I've ever done. I don't think I really overdid it today though.

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(Original post by Smack)
My granddad has some sort of inhaler thing that makes him almost collapse when he takes it. The doctor said it's perfectly normal and that he should take it whilst sitting down.

I have no idea what that is but it sounds completely different. Maybe SMed knows.

[Smack]

(Original post by The Troll Toll)
I have no idea what that is but it sounds completely different. Maybe SMed knows.

It probably was given that he's like 87 but it was worth pointing out in the odd chance that it wasn't.

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(Original post by Smack)
It probably was given that he's like 87 but it was worth pointing out in the odd chance that it wasn't.

And it's for asthma? It might be a normal inhaler, when I had mine as a kid I used to have a big plastic box that it went in to dilute it. I think it gives you a bit of a head rush if you take it, so if you're very young or very old that could be it.

[Smack]

(Original post by The Troll Toll)
And it's for asthma? It might be a normal inhaler, when I had mine as a kid I used to have a big plastic box that it went in to dilute it. I think it gives you a bit of a head rush if you take it, so if you're very young or very old that could be it.

I think so, yes.

By the way, does ammonia actually help? With getting psyched up and stuff?

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Yeah, definitely. I haven't used it for ages now though. I think it's good for that little extra for the platform, but probably not healthy to use consistently.

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This workout made me think. I reckon a lot of strength trainers have a bad idea of what to do on a bad workout. There's Jim Wendler's idea of "go in, do a top set and get out" which I've done in the past and I know Michael did since people called him a drama queen for it. It's short term thinking that kind of misses the point. Your goal for a bad workout should not be to make it into as good looking a workout as possible by taking extra rest, cutting assistance and trying to put up a relatively big number. It should be to relax a bit, forget about numbers and get some work done so that you build some muscle and strength so that your next workout on that bodypart/exercise isn't crap. I think the wider repertoire of exercises BBers have combined with their caring less about numbers is something a lot of people could learn from in this situation. I still don't think I did a great job of dealing with it, but better than I would in the past. Food for thought.

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Regarding bad workouts, I slightly disagree with your hypothesis. I think that being able to turn bad workouts into good ones has a massive mental boost. Long term progress is made by stringing a long series of successful workouts together and a ****ty workout can break this chain, especially mentally.

Not every workout can be entirely successful (where success equals hitting your planned weights, sets and reps on all of your target exercises) but I've found that even if you have one disappointment then you can make up for it via other PRing on other exercises. A string of PRs builds momentum that can be lost if you have one poor workout and just give up altogether that day.

Im going to agree with you both, but I don't follow either protocol - these days anyway. There have been times in the past were I have been in the gym literally 5 minutes, and it's enough to indicate I'm going to have a rubbish session. So I leave, rest and recuperate and train a day earlier then I would normally, and am better for it. When I was more enthusiastic I used both of your theories. I think all three can work.

[SMed]

I don't know what Smack's granddad was taking exactly, but I doubt it was for standard asthma. There are many reasons an 87 year old man would need some breathing/respiration assistance.

As for those devices for kids, it's not to dilute it, it's that the normal little inhalers are too difficult for kids to use properly. They can't time the inhalation properly with the actuation nor aim the spray to the back of the mouth/airways. The devices just hold the aerosolised salbutamol whilst the kid breathes in and out normally, usually 10 breaths per puff.

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Really? I could use them I just didn't want to cos they tasted like ****.

[SMed]

You shouldn't really be hitting your tongue much with them, should hit the back of your throat. *insert hilarious fellatio joke*

[Monkey_Pete]

Were the pills you had the fun little red ones?

I have had those for a week about 2 years ago, and my bro had them a few months ago. I got them after i had run out of the inhalors i took with me to uni and eventually it got so bad i had to go to my gp, and on the day it really flared up, after 2 days on those little red pills my breathing was better than ever.

I have to use a cortisosteroid "turbohalor" atm, but have the salbutamol also for when its needed.

Not fun having asthma

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Can't remember what colour they were.

God I hate going to the doctors. They didn't give me the oral steroids. Apparently I have bad technique on the peak flow thing. WTF is that **** anyway, can't you just believe me when I say I can hardly breathe? I can understand checking someone's really ill if they're trying to score morphine but why would I lie about something like that? Come on man.

[SMed]

It's not about that so much as it is being able to empirically measure treatment. Before/after etc.

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Chest/Triceps

Incline bench
20x10
50x5
70x5
80x5
85x3
85x3
87.5x4
85x3
80x5
70x6

Pushdowns 4 sets of 10

CGBP
60x5
80x3
90x3
80x4

DB extensions
15x10
17.5x10
20x5
15x10
17.5x8
drop set 17.5x5 15x6 7.5x15

Superset flys with pushdowns for 4 sets each

Straight arm pulldown 5 sets of 10

Recovering from asthma, had 14 hours sleep

[Motorbiker]

(Original post by Becca)
Chest/Triceps

Incline bench
87.5x4
Pushdowns 4 sets of 10

CGBP
90x3

Recovering from asthma, had 14 hours sleep

Some lovely PBs there Becca... Very impressed.

Your bench is above mine again like it was when i first joined...

And so this is how his blog is being updated when he#s not here...

In b4 Becca changes the post owner and i then look like a muppet.

[Becca]

(Original post by Motorbiker)
Some lovely PBs there Becca... Very impressed.

Your bench is above mine again like it was when i first joined...

And so this is how his blog is being updated when he#s not here...

In b4 Becca changes the post owner and i then look like a muppet.

[Motorbiker]

(Original post by Becca)

Well played...

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Back

Deadlifts
60x5
60x3
100x3
140x3
140x3
140x3
140x3
140x3
180x8
pretty good for not wearing a belt IMO

Barbell row
straps
60x8
60x8
80x8
80x8

DB row giant set
70x8 straps
70x3
60x3
felt weird to wear the straps at first and then take them off. in future i will just use them on the second exercise to give my hands a break then take them off for this. the set wasn't that giant as giant sets go

Pullups
7
6
4
4

Lat pulldown 4x12, BTN pulldown 3x12

about 1h15 training time

*more like 1h05 on reflection

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Shoulders, ~1h10

Push press
20x5
20x5
20x5
60x3 felt really tight
60x3
60x5 finally felt OK
80x3
wraps on
90x3
95x3
100x2 missed 3
still a little improvement over last week so good(ish) times. More volume next week.

BTN PP
60x8 not really much leg drive

DB press sitting down
25x6
25x4
20x5
15x5
15x7

DB tricep extension
15x7
15x7
15x7

Machine giant set
40x5
40x3
30x6
30x7
20x10
20x12
Not worried about weight going down on this since it was way later in the workout.

Face pulls 4x12

Curls 3 sets including a drop set

Lateral raises 6 sets of varying reps/weight

Not as much isolation shoulder work so a less cool pump, but decent weights and felt good to get some arm work in. Need to back off with the weights on push press or it will plateau worse than it already is.

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Legs, didn't pay attention to the time

Squat
20x5
glute activation
20x5
glute activation
60x5
80x5
100x4
140x5
160x3
165x1
170x1
175x1
Technique is probably terrible

Front squat
100x5
100x5
100x5
focus on going very deep

Squat
60x20
narrow stance, also very deep

Leg extensions about 6 sets of 10

Leg curls 3 sets of 18