[Kinkerz]

(Original post by purplefrog)
I've won £120 of Waterstones vouchers for completing a survey. Are there any books people recommend I get that would be near essential for pre-clinicals? I've already got a Physiology textbook and I borrow Gray's for Students out the library for the whole year. At UCL we have our own anatomy books to buy as well (Dean and Pegginton) so I'll purchase those with the vouchers.

Are there any other recommendations from people (especially from UCL regarding 2nd year)?
In second year we cover: neuro, muscles/movement, pharmacology, endo, repro/genetics/cancer
Are there any books in particular that you recommend I purchase for neuro or pharm, as I've heard they're the most brutal parts of UCL 2nd year alongside anatomy?

Not a UCL student, but quite interested in pharmacology and know my medical-student-level pharmacology resources quite well.

I'd recommend one by Golan, but it would be consuming a decent chunk of your voucher budget (though, to be fair, most comprehensive pharmacology books would). Otherwise Rang and Dale is the obvious choice, but I prefer Golan.

[carcinoma]

(Original post by mrs_bellamy)
Tried to rep but would not allow me! If all goes well (will let you know next week) I am intercalating. Fingers crossed! I hope you enjoy third year! If you ever have any questions about anything let me know (although you seem way more than competent to deal with anything that comes your way), good luck!

Well done for the interclation! I saw your post before the edit. Where are you going to be for 5th year? (you can PM me if you like.) Ill message you nearer the time or find you in person if i see you around, but the degree you are intacalating in is one of the ones i want to apply for. If after year 3, I am eligible.

[Phryx]

(Original post by Helenia)
It's a real problem for male medical students in their gynae block though - more than in any other attachment that I can think of.

Not a single woman refused me all of my obs/gynae attachment. It wasn't until my GP block that women started to turn me away. I think alot of it is to do with how the doctor introduces you.

[Helenia]

(Original post by Phryx)
Not a single woman refused me all of my obs/gynae attachment. It wasn't until my GP block that women started to turn me away. I think alot of it is to do with how the doctor introduces you.

Or the midwife. It was quite a common problem for some of my male friends.

[digitalis]

(Original post by Helenia)
Or the midwife. It was quite a common problem for some of my male friends.

I got shafted by the midwives in so many ways during O&G. Introductions are so important.

Being introduced as 'This is digitalis, he is a medical student observing. Do you mind if he stays in?'

compared to 'This is Jenny, she is one of the student midwives looking after you this shift'

makes a massive difference.

I once stayed in house for two full days and nights straight to get my deliveries signed off. Had a bleep, midhusband promised me he would bleep me when the two women would reach second stage as I was going to bed at like 2AM....woke up at 9AM the next day and 'oh sorry...they delivered'. AARGGGGGGH

[Renal]

(Original post by Helenia)
Or the midwife. It was quite a common problem for some of my male friends.

****ing midwives are ****ing *****. Almost universally cretinous and with an overdeveloped sense of their own adequacy.

[Philosoraptor]

(Original post by digitalis)
I got shafted by the midwives in so many ways during O&G. Introductions are so important.

Being introduced as 'This is digitalis, he is a medical student observing. Do you mind if he stays in?'

compared to 'This is Jenny, she is one of the student midwives looking after you this shift'

makes a massive difference.

I once stayed in house for two full days and nights straight to get my deliveries signed off. Had a bleep, midhusband promised me he would bleep me when the two women would reach second stage as I was going to bed at like 2AM....woke up at 9AM the next day and 'oh sorry...they delivered'. AARGGGGGGH

Done this so many times!!

I've really found the introduction matters - but also some women will just never say yes so it depends.

I've actually been really lucky with midwives - it's just unfortunatley the 3 or 4 who were really horrible stick out in memory much easier

[Helenia]

(Original post by digitalis)
I got shafted by the midwives in so many ways during O&G. Introductions are so important.

Being introduced as 'This is digitalis, he is a medical student observing. Do you mind if he stays in?'

compared to 'This is Jenny, she is one of the student midwives looking after you this shift'

makes a massive difference.

I once stayed in house for two full days and nights straight to get my deliveries signed off. Had a bleep, midhusband promised me he would bleep me when the two women would reach second stage as I was going to bed at like 2AM....woke up at 9AM the next day and 'oh sorry...they delivered'. AARGGGGGGH

I've heard it framed even more negatively, along the lines of "Now, there's a male medical student outside who'd like to come and watch. It's completely ok for you to say no, that's absolutely fine, but he just wanted to ask..."

Even in their antenatal book in the birth plan section, it has separate tick boxes for "Do you mind if a student midwife is present?" and "Do you mind if a student doctor is present?" Why is there a difference? Sometimes I think I might rock the boat by refusing student midwives but allowing in medical students, if and when I ever end up on LW. Oh, and I'll be a patient, not a "client."

[Philosoraptor]

(Original post by Helenia)
Sometimes I think I might rock the boat by refusing student midwives but allowing in medical students, if and when I ever end up on LW. Oh, and I'll be a patient, not a "client."

Haha if you did that I would literally buy you a present

[Helenia]

(Original post by Philosoraptor)
Haha if you did that I would literally buy you a present

You will be qualified long before I get anywhere near LW, I think!

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC Desire S

[Philosoraptor]

(Original post by Helenia)
You will be qualified long before I get anywhere near LW, I think!

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my HTC Desire S

Well even if we count August as 'qualified" You've pretty much only got a year and a month to do so!

I'm half tempted to have a timer like Spencer Wells did counting down till finals but I think that's tempting fate

[magichearts]

(Original post by Helenia)
I've heard it framed even more negatively, along the lines of "Now, there's a male medical student outside who'd like to come and watch. It's completely ok for you to say no, that's absolutely fine, but he just wanted to ask..."

I think the biggest thing that annoys me is how doctors/nurses/etc introduce you by making note that you are a "male". 2 of my male friends didn't get refused during their O&G placement because the nurses/midwives introduced them as: "We have a student doctor working with us today. I hope you don't mind." It's worded more in a way like: "I'm telling you there's a student doctor."

[Philosoraptor]

(Original post by magichearts)
I think the biggest thing that annoys me is how doctors/nurses/etc introduce you by making note that you are a "male". 2 of my male friends didn't get refused during their O&G placement because the nurses/midwives introduced them as: "We have a student doctor working with us today. I hope you don't mind." It's worded more in a way like: "I'm telling you there's a student doctor."

Yeah I think I had a much higher success rate when they just said "medical student" rather than "male medical student" hahah

[Kinkerz]

The very concept of doing obs. and gynae. in 4th year fills me with dread. It's going to be miserable.

[CaptainEllis]

(Original post by Kinkerz)
The very concept of doing obs. and gynae. in 4th year fills me with dread. It's going to be miserable.

I agree.

Thanks to everyone who's filled in my survey so far - I really appreciate it. If there is anyone else with 30s free time, please give me a hand
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/M8LLZTS it's for my eSSC and is relating to elearning tools.

Also if anyone is interested in test driving the tutorial I am creating, drop me a PM/quote.

Thanks!

[Kinkerz]

(Original post by CaptainEllis)
Also if anyone is interested in test driving the tutorial I am creating, drop me a PM/quote.

Thanks!

I'm curious.

[CaptainEllis]

(Original post by Kinkerz)
I'm curious.

Cool, I've just started to put it together, so I'll get in touch when it's a bit more coherent (and when I've worked out the best way to share it, I'm still learning how to use the software - I'm not quite computer literate enough to know how to code!

[Carpediemxx]

I did my 4th year SSC on " Male medical student in Gynaecology". After finding this a problem with women rejecting me (storii of mi lyfe)
Didnt really find much of interest in my cohort, most males said they found it fine to get their examinations and deliveries in (although almost unanimously they got their examinations in on unconcious patients)
I can;'t rememberwhich uni it is now, but there is a focus group of women volunteers who help to teach the examination now, which has improved things there.

Interestingly, i looked at the post graduation world of gyne, and there is a massive decline in popularity, not only (significantly) among men, but also women. I dunno if things have changed this year, but it was the least popular speciality, even after psych. This isn't true in the east though, where gynaecologists (cough cough perverts) are still very much common.

[Kinkerz]

(Original post by Carpediemxx)
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How fitting

[Carpediemxx]

(Original post by Kinkerz)
How fitting

See what i did there?