[S'Class]

I'm getting kind of fed up that some people on this forum can't get it into their heads that Islam does punish rape. Whenever a thread appears of a Muslim rapist or an event from the Muslim world, some idiot comes and posts something about rapist are allowed to get away.

First of all, everyone needs to know that there is currently no country in the world with full Sharia Law in place. So if there is any Muslim majority country that lets rapists go free, then it obviously doesn't have Islamic Law implemented.

Secondly, four witnesses are NOT required for the woman to be innocent. This is for fornication and adultery. If anyone claims this, then bring your evidence from the Quran and/or Hadith.

People really need to learn this before accusing Islam of such a thing.

Evidence for punishment:

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Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet PBUH for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah PBUH.

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them."

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366

[Steevee]

You know what is true though?

No where in the Quran is rape specifically dealt with. Old Mo' took the time to specifically deal with Apostacy, Homosexuality, Theft and Blasphemy, but never thought to actually mention rape. All Quranic judgements on rape come from vauge passages detailing sexual modesty, or the taking of somethign by force, in a general sense.

Interesting eh?

EDIT. Neggers gon' Neg. And yet, what I wrote is true. Negging and not replying because you know it?

[FrigidSymphony]

So... what's the punishment for rape?

As for the adultery and fornication thing, it happens quite often that a raped girl is accused of fornicating with her rapist rather than charge the rapist for rape. Because having a punishment for adultery and fornication is barbaric and so immature it's retarded.

[headunderwater]

What's the punishment then? You and the Qur'an conveniently missed that out.

[S'Class]

But when you're criticising the Prophet PBUH in regards to his marriages and battles, these "vague passages" are enough aren't they?

[S'Class]

The punishment is the same as fornication and adultery; lashes if unmarried, stoning if married.

[headunderwater]

(Original post by S'Class)
The punishment is the same as fornication and adultery; lashes if unmarried, stoning if married.

Could you provide us with the verse which states the above?

[JackG1]

(Original post by S'Class)
I'm getting kind of fed up that some people on this forum can't get it into their heads that Islam does punish rape. Whenever a thread appears of a Muslim rapist or an event from the Muslim world, some idiot comes and posts something about rapist are allowed to get away.

First of all, everyone needs to know that there is currently no country in the world with full Sharia Law in place. So if there is any Muslim majority country that lets rapists go free, then it obviously doesn't have Islamic Law implemented.

Secondly, four witnesses are NOT required for the woman to be innocent. This is for fornication and adultery. If anyone claims this, then bring your evidence from the Quran and/or Hadith.

People really need to learn this before accusing Islam of such a thing.

Can we not just accept that Islam treats women as second class citizens. /thread

Edit: In response to the negs on this, please give me recent examples of sharia law ruling in the favour of women...

[headunderwater]

(Original post by JackG1)
Can we not just accept that Islam treats women as second class citizens. /thread

Exactly.

[At peace]

(Original post by JackG1)
Can we not just accept that Islam treats women as second class citizens. /thread

Can we not just accept that the western worlds treats the women as sexual toy, 10th class citizen or worse.

[LemonIcedTea]

(Original post by JackG1)
Can we not just accept that Islam treats women as second class citizens. /thread

I can't say I really know enough about the subject, but it's always struck me that this may not necessarily be wholly down to Islam the religion, but a result of a whole number of cultural factors in that part of the world.

However in any case, Islamic countries may be more oppressive towards women, but this isn't to say that women are treated as all that much more important by say, Christianity as a religion.

Admittedly though, personally the traditionally 'Christian countries' of the west seem at the moment to be more tolerant towards women. This may be a misconception gained from bad media publicity concerning Islam. I don't know.

Wow, that was conclusive.


(P.S. This is an interesting debate! I shall read on to arm myself with yet more arguments both ways for the RMPS exam...)

[Gofre]

(Original post by S'Class)
The punishment is the same as fornication and adultery; lashes if unmarried, stoning if married.

Does this not set off alarm bells in your head?

[mel0n]

"The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Some scholars also say that he is required to pay a mahr (a dowry of sorts) to the woman".

[S'Class]

(Original post by 35mm_)
Could you provide us with the verse which states the above?

Not verse, Hadith.

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

"When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet PBUH for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah PBUH.

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them."

(Original post by pomme de terre)
Does the woman get punished?

No.

"Indeed, Allah has pardoned my people for the acts they do by mistake, due to forgetfulness, and what they are coerced into doing." [Sunan Ibn Mâjah]

(Original post by Gofre)
Does this not set off alarm bells in your head?

No, but your going into the debate of is it the correct punishment. This thread is to inform people that rapists don't go free in Sharia. But for your concerns, it would be better to ask someone more knowledgable than me.

[olddad]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
So... what's the punishment for rape?

As for the adultery and fornication thing, it happens quite often that a raped girl is accused of fornicating with her rapist rather than charge the rapist for rape. Because having a punishment for adultery and fornication is barbaric and so immature it's retarded.

Certainly in Saudi Arabia, it is death. I remember in Riyadh, they lost their goal keeper1

[GrahamRodney]

(Original post by S'Class)
I'm getting kind of fed up that some people on this forum can't get it into their heads that Islam does punish rape. Whenever a thread appears of a Muslim rapist or an event from the Muslim world, some idiot comes and posts something about rapist are allowed to get away.

First of all, everyone needs to know that there is currently no country in the world with full Sharia Law in place. So if there is any Muslim majority country that lets rapists go free, then it obviously doesn't have Islamic Law implemented.

Secondly, four witnesses are NOT required for the woman to be innocent. This is for fornication and adultery. If anyone claims this, then bring your evidence from the Quran and/or Hadith.

People really need to learn this before accusing Islam of such a thing.

Indeed there is a punishment for rape under Islam. You have to marry the rapist.

See http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...zBS_story.html

[At peace]

(Original post by S'Class)
Not verse, Hadith.

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet PBUH for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah PBUH.

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.

Can you provide reference to this hadeeth?

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by JackG1)
Can we not just accept that Islam treats women as second class citizens. /thread

(Original post by 35mm_)
Exactly.

If we're talking about Shari'a, according to the Iraqi constitution which is one of the few constitutions we have which is based on Shari'a, men and women are explictly stated as being equal.

[S'Class]

(Original post by GrahamRodney)
Indeed there is a punishment for rape under Islam. You have to marry the rapist.

See http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...zBS_story.html

As I said, no country has Sharia fully implemented, so if you're saying that in Islam you have to marry the rapist, give me references from Islamic sources.

[S'Class]

(Original post by At peace)
Can you provide reference to this hadeeth?

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4366