[BeccaSmall]

Any help?

[BeccaSmall]

1933 sorry

[Destroyer25]

The depression facilitated his rise. Without Germany's sad economic state then it's unlikely that Hitler would have been able to gain the popularity he did.

[Aj12]

(Original post by BeccaSmall)
Any help?

(Original post by Destroyer25)
The depression facilitated his rise. Without Germany's sad economic state then it's unlikely that Hitler would have been able to gain the popularity he did.

true but without Hitler to reorganise the party and his charisma its unlikely they would have become anything more than a fringe party. Both the depression and Hitler were vital to the Nazi rise to power.

[Destroyer25]

(Original post by Aj12)
true but without Hitler to reorganise the party and his charisma its unlikely they would have become anything more than a fringe party. Both the depression and Hitler were vital to the Nazi rise to power.

I didn't say that he wasn't. I just said that the depression facilitated his rise.

[MoonwalkingHendrix]

The depression was a catalyst for hitlers rise to power but without hitler being there at the right time then the nazis wouldn't have come to power.

[AverageExcellence]

Hitler was popular before the sudden depression, the treaty of versailles led to a constantly growing sentiment in nationalism nad a yerning to return to the glory of the German Empire. The instability of the weimar republic also made people more accepting of a dictatorship, as seen from the increasing popularity and support for hitlers book 'mein kampf'.

The depression however radicalised the masses and brang massive attention to hiter giving him a large opportunity to gain nazi party seating and twisting hindenburgs hand to make hitler chancellor.

[f1mad]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
Hitler was popular before the sudden depression, the treaty of versailles led to a constantly growing sentiment in nationalism nad a yerning to return to the glory of the German Empire. The instability of the weimar republic also made people more accepting of a dictatorship, as seen from the increasing popularity and support for hitlers book 'mein kampf'.

The depression however radicalised the masses and brang massive attention to hiter giving him a large opportunity to gain nazi party seating and twisting hindenburgs hand to make hitler chancellor.

He wasn't.

Under the Stresseman Era, Germans were happy with the way things were going-> Hitler's support declined considerably. Look up stats, you'll see the representation of Nazis, in the Reichstag was negligible. It was only till the depression hit he was able to get back into German politics.

[AverageExcellence]

(Original post by f1mad)
He wasn't.

Under the Stresseman Era, Germans were happy with the way things were going-> Hitler's support declined considerably. Look up stats, you'll see the representation of Nazis, in the Reichstag was negligible. It was only till the depression hit he was able to get back into German politics.

The promises of hitler's mein campf were still very appealing to many germans, even stresseman himself had to bow to german desire of easing the conditions of the TOV. Not to mention that the country was crippled by hyperinflation and many working class germans savings were completely wiped out.

The fact that Hitler got the sentence he did for the failed beerhall putsch shows just how nationalistic the country was.

[f1mad]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
The promises of hitler's mein campf were still very appealing to many germans, even stresseman himself had to bow to german desire of easing the conditions of the TOV. Not to mention that the country was crippled by hyperinflation and many working class germans savings were completely wiped out.

The fact that Hitler got the sentence he did for the failed beerhall putsch shows just how nationalistic the country was.

As I said above; the support he had were only from the extreme right. The general public were in support of Weimar Republic.

Obviously he needed to reduce the TOV reparations payments- he set this out as one of his key policies.

No it doesn't. The judges made the decision; not the general public. You Sir are twisting facts to support your argument. Try being impartial!

If they were so nationalistic why did Wolfgang fail in his Putsch? The workers supported the Weimar!

[Eldedu]

The depression crippled Stressemanns legacy and effectively created Hitler's window of opportunity.

[f1mad]

(Original post by Eldedu)
The depression crippled Stressemanns legacy and effectively created Hitler's window of opportunity.

Exactly.

It was a period of prosperity under Stresemann, but a false one as it was based entirely on USA loans.

[Eldedu]

(Original post by f1mad)
Exactly.

It was a period of prosperity under Stresemann, but a false one as it was based entirely on USA loans.

Not as much false as unstable. When the loans evaporated, so did the prosperity, cue social unrest, widespread poverty and resentment: Hitler's bread and butter.

[f1mad]

(Original post by Eldedu)
Not as much false as unstable. When the loans evaporated, so did the prosperity, cue social unrest, widespread poverty and resentment: Hitler's bread and butter.

No, it was "false"- the prosperity was a lie. Without the loans it was nothing. As they all found out when the USA recalled them.

[Miracle Day]

(Original post by Aj12)
true but without Hitler to reorganise the party and his charisma its unlikely they would have become anything more than a fringe party. Both the depression and Hitler were vital to the Nazi rise to power.

Actually no.

I can't quote the exact person, but Charisma isn't measured by the man, but the listeners.

Hitler has Charisma, because people were willing to listen to him.

During the period after he got out of prison, to the economic collapse nobody listened to him for example.

[Eldedu]

(Original post by f1mad)
No, it was "false"- the prosperity was a lie. Without the loans it was nothing. As they all found out when the USA recalled them.

Had the loans been calmly paid off though the prosperity would have established itself, which is why I hesitated to use the term false. This is all conjecture obviously but then again so is your statement.

[AverageExcellence]

(Original post by f1mad)
As I said above; the support he had were only from the extreme right. The general public were in support of Weimar Republic.

Obviously he needed to reduce the TOV reparations payments- he set this out as one of his key policies.

No it doesn't. The judges made the decision; not the general public. You Sir are twisting facts to support your argument. Try being impartial!

If they were so nationalistic why did Wolfgang fail in his Putsch? The workers supported the Weimar!

There was always underlying nationalist sentiment in Germany, But the 'Golden Era' created opportunities that increased the standard of living and pacified the nationalist movement. The Weimar economy was never stable, any progress that was made was absorbed into the elite businesses and politicians, why else was there such a great polarisation between communists and national socialists? both pledging to equalise the wealth (notable blamed on successful jews from the latter). Also, why did the FRG have much more control over the economy? to stop this from happening. The TOV wasnt just because of the reparations either, it severely limited any form of influence Germany could gain on a world scale, and thats why hitlers annexion was widely supported, not to mention rearmament. And the judges reflected general opinion, there was plenty of leverage in the constitutions for retrials and appeals but the politicians; voted for by the people of germany were sympathetic. And Wolfgang Kapp's failed putsch was largely to blame on his leadership, not the nationalist movement. Hitler openly denounced the kapp putsch for the spinelessness that the conspirators showed in their fleeing and denial and the selfishness of kapp for his own personal gain'.

It would be very naive to suggest that a whole country would vote for a person based on the economic enviroment. Every contending chancellor had radical ideas that would attempt to solve the economic crisis, but the fact that most relied on further dependency and humilliation that would be worse off on the german people just inflamed nationalism. Why else would people willingly and knowingly vote for a dictatorship?

[f1mad]

(Original post by Eldedu)
Had the loans been calmly paid off though the prosperity would have established itself, which is why I hesitated to use the term false. This is all conjecture obviously but then again so is your statement.

Do you know what I'm implying when I say "false sense of prosperity"?

It's the exactly the same statement that applies to America for the origins of the great depression.

[Eldedu]

(Original post by f1mad)
Do you know what I'm implying when I say "false sense of prosperity"?

It's the exactly the same statement that applies to America for the origins of the great depression.

Apparently not. Feel free to explain yourself.

[f1mad]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
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Lol I read half of that and you clearly need to do some reading. The Putsch failed because the workers went on a general strike (passive resistance movement). Not because of leadership.

-> He didn't have support of the people which is what you need to gain political power. This is how the Nazi's got into power.

Again the judges were sympathetic towards Hitler quite simply because he had served in the War for Germany. Why do you keep saying it reflected general opinion? IT DID NOT. A lot of people did not want a return of the Kaiser. If it reflected the general opinion as you say, they would've voted in more radical leaders.

Oh but they didn't...