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    (Original post by Archamedes)
    Well done your mum.

    That is my subjective experience of both Mac and PC. The initial outlay is recouped by the sustained value and performance of the hardware. After four years of high end performance, the product value didn't depreciate beyond reconciliation.

    I assume the 8 year old PC your old dear is still using is a lump of **** that'd you have to pay someone to get rid of.
    Tbf if you got a high end laptop for around the same price as a Macbook, the resale price would be about the same. Components are components mate, your Macbook has an Intel processor just like my laptop, and an AMD GPU just like my laptop. I could see where you'd be coming from if you had mentioned aesthetics, in the same way a BMW 7 series would keep it's value better than a VW Phaeton, it doesn't make it a better car, it's all about image. But you didn't mention aesthetics, you only mentioned power, and to think you can't get an equally powerful windows laptop for the same price, if not less than a Mac is foolish, if you buy a bottom of the bucket Windows laptop you deserve to lose your money lol.
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    (Original post by Repressor)
    Get rid of it?! The support for WinXP runs out in April 2014. I have plans to move it to Debian at that time.

    It plays TF2 at high 1280x1024 pretty well...

    Even if it's not worth anything at the end of its life (2014+) it's still £45 per year... 1/3 of what your Mac cost you per year...
    Conclusion - Old PC plays old game reasonably well. My SNES plays Mariokart superbly, but my Macbook is probably better at being a decent laptop. Oh, and my Commodore 64 still word processes fairly well, and that's cost me £4 a year since I got it, so that's also better than my Macbook.

    The point (that you clearly missed) is that I get top end performance to do processing heavy actions such as video editing and programming, for a decent yearly outlay. When I had PC's I needed to renew every 18 months to keep the performance, so it was costing me more over a period of time.
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    (Original post by Bezaberry)
    Tbf if you got a high end laptop for around the same price as a Macbook, the resale price would be about the same. Components are components mate, your Macbook has an Intel processor just like my laptop, and an AMD GPU just like my laptop. I could see where you'd be coming from if you had mentioned aesthetics, in the same way a BMW 7 series would keep it's value better than a VW Phaeton, it doesn't make it a better car, it's all about image. But you didn't mention aesthetics, you only mentioned power, and to think you can't get an equally powerful windows laptop for the same price, if not less than a Mac is foolish, if you buy a bottom of the bucket Windows laptop you deserve to lose your money lol.
    I agree. The components are worth exactly the same, but the brand (as you have exampled) is always worth more to resell. The BMW will always be vauled more than the VW, to use your example.

    I was suggesting that buying bottom line PCs is costly, compared to a Macbook, over a period of time. If you buy a PC of the same value it will probably last longer (performance wise) but I doubt it would resell as well. Name me a similar priced PC from 2010 and lets go have a look on Ebay what a 2010 Macbook is selling for.
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    (Original post by Archamedes)
    The point (that you clearly missed) is that I get top end performance to do processing heavy actions such as video editing and programming, for a decent yearly outlay. When I had PC's I needed to renew every 18 months to keep the performance, so it was costing me more over a period of time.
    Oh, do tell...
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    The battery lasts very long compared to other laptops - this is arguably its best selling point IMO.
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    (Original post by Repressor)
    Oh, do tell...
    Would you like me to list the spec for you?
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    I don't like apple products in general because they are always way too expensive. It's clever branding that allows them to charge so highly, it's clever, but it's annoying. And I really don't like itunes.
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    (Original post by Archamedes)
    I agree. The components are worth exactly the same, but the brand (as you have exampled) is always worth more to resell. The BMW will always be vauled more than the VW, to use your example.

    I was suggesting that buying bottom line PCs is costly, compared to a Macbook, over a period of time. If you buy a PC of the same value it will probably last longer (performance wise) but I doubt it would resell as well. Name me a similar priced PC from 2010 and lets go have a look on Ebay what a 2010 Macbook is selling for.
    Oh no for sure, if you buy bottom range windows laptops you're going to lose your money they're never very well equipped. But a decent i7 will hold it's value well, not as well as a Macbook, but still well. But then if you are investing a lot of money in a decent laptop you wouldn't be looking at short term investments you'd want it for a decent amount of time, buying low spec cheap anything when it comes to electronics is a bad idea. But Macs hold their value PURELY down to the way they look, and I wish more Windows laptops would take this on board, as most of them are fugly. The only exception that comes to mind here is the Razer Blade, but we're talking about Macs being overpriced, so that's an awful example, haha.
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    (Original post by perlsh)
    I'll probably get negged for this, but subjectively because it's faster and the battery lasts incredibly long.
    Techignorant in the hoouuuuusse.

    The main reason you shouldn't get a mac summed up (unless you're lucky enough that money is of no issue and you only like to play chess):

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    (Original post by Chicharito14)
    I got mine purely because i want it to last till the end of my degree. My friend, spent £1500 on a customised dell laptop, and he has sent it in to get repaired twice already. :smug:
    Then your friend needs to learn to look after his stuff.
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    (Original post by Bezaberry)
    Oh no for sure, if you buy bottom range windows laptops you're going to lose your money they're never very well equipped. But a decent i7 will hold it's value well, not as well as a Macbook, but still well. But then if you are investing a lot of money in a decent laptop you wouldn't be looking at short term investments you'd want it for a decent amount of time, buying low spec cheap anything when it comes to electronics is a bad idea. But Macs hold their value PURELY down to the way they look, and I wish more Windows laptops would take this on board, as most of them are fugly. The only exception that comes to mind here is the Razer Blade, but we're talking about Macs being overpriced, so that's an awful example, haha.
    And we're full loop back to my original post - Mabooks aren't overpriced, as they retain their value and are highly resalable.

    The only thing I can disagree on is that they retain value PURELY on aesthetics. My Macbook performed extremely well considering it was 4 years old, and I sold it to an IT department of a university, who I assume don't give a rats ass about how it looks.

    Saying that, you're not far from the point that general interest and incidentally value is due to the fashionability of the brand. But this is a positive thing for someone owning and wanting to sell an Apple product.
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    (Original post by Davidosh)
    You must be the first person I've ever seen say multitasking is quicker on a PC than Mac. The multitasking on a Mac and the way it never crashes is the main reason I spent about double what I would on a laptop of the same spec.

    This isn't a criticism more shock that you got good multitasking out of a windows.
    I know, for example, whilst doing assignments on a mac, going back and fourth between different apps and sources became a headache, don't get me wrong, it is good! But on this PC I find it so much more convenient and quicker.
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    I think the PC was always built to be a very versatile machine. A PC is meant to be useful to anyone, to have software relevant to everyone. When you think about it, that's quite a significant task. The reason why the PC has lasted is because it's a relatively cheap and reliable machine that can do most things well. They won't resell well (that is a good point), but surely most people buy a PC/Mac with the intention of using it until it physically cannot go on?

    The early software from Microsoft was all about the basic functions - word processors, spreadsheets, databases. They added internet, some more complicated programs, but the essence with all PCs is essentially the same - here's a computer that has available hardware and software to cope with most users' needs for a sensible price.

    I've always felt that it's better for gaming too. If you look at the high end Macs, they are aimed at things other than gaming, whereas the higher end PCs seem to be quite suited to gaming, and you are safe in the knowledge that everything will play.

    It may not always be the flashiest choice. It may not always be the smoothest or most well designed, but you can't deny that it's a flexible system for the needs of many. I'd liken it to a sensible family car; it doesn't have the flashy speed of a sports car or the off road capability of a 4x4, but it gets most people from A to B reliably and efficiently enough.

    The Mac is more of a niche machine. It has its perks on specialist software with lots of nice media editors. It's probably a sensible choice if it uses a lot of those programs well. I can fully understand if you were an amateur musician/filmmaker/photographer/artist etc., or maybe a designer of some sort. For those people, the Mac probably supports the necessary software and does it very well, purely because it was built for that reason.

    Why many students go for the Mac, I don't know. They seem to think they are better because they have made the 'cool' choice. It's that hipster mentality at work again. However, most of them seem to be paying a lot of money to do essentially the same things that they would do on a PC, except on Open Office instead of MS Word. I don't know how you can justify a Mac for word processing.

    As I said, I can fully understand why you would get a Mac if you felt that you needed to make use of some of its better software. I don't understand why you would pay significantly extra for something that is inferior when it comes to basic student work. But I guess it is fashionable, and money is inexplicably of no consequence to many students. It's the same arguments as fashionable vs. pragmatic choices with regards to clothes or cars.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    Get a decent PC built for 3/4 of the price.

    90% of mac 'users' don't even really know why they have a mac except that its popular.

    If you are planning to use it for its intent, making music, mixing, a bit of photography, amateur film production, media development etc etc then go for it.

    If you are a gamer, a self-built of request built PC is the way to go. Actually that's a thing, I wonder if there are actually an Mac gamers, obv the system is notorious for being impossible to personalise and update without apple 'care', but I wonder if there are any.
    Shock horror, a pompous PC user berating those who use Macs. 90%? I'd love you to back that up instead of relying on good ol' anti-Apple assumptions that anyone who uses their products is brainless and lacking in any tech knowledge.
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    (Original post by TheSingingMute)
    Techignorant in the hoouuuuusse.

    The main reason you shouldn't get a mac summed up (unless you're lucky enough that money is of no issue and you only like to play chess):

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    Ah, but the PC still runs on good ol' craptastic Windows. Ive used my iMac for over a year now almost constantly and rarely shut it down and have yet to have even one minor crash or cockup. Compare that to most peoples experience of Windows and, well, it makes sense. I'd much rather pay for quality and reliability over the fact that 'omggzzzzz u can play warcraftz lyk a beast man omg'.
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    I've had my Macbook for about five and half years and I've never had a major problem with it. It is getting on a bit now but I can guarantee that it could still match or probably better a lot of new laptops nowadays. Before I got my Mac, I had a Toshiba laptop that my parents bought for me new and it only lasted for just over a year (or that's how long I was willing to put up with it). Windows would crash all the time, the display driver was rubbish and it was incredibly slow. The amount of times it had to be sent away to get fixed was a nightmare.
    My Macbook was expensive when I bought it but for the time it has lasted and the fact that I could probably still get a couple of more years out of it makes me feel that it was good value for money.
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    (Original post by TheSingingMute)
    Techignorant in the hoouuuuusse.

    The main reason you shouldn't get a mac summed up (unless you're lucky enough that money is of no issue and you only like to play chess):

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    And now, please note that I did write subjectively! If that graphic is right, then point taken. But compared to other laptops I used (Toshiba, HP) my Macbook's definitely faster. It's probably because of the specs, but still: It's my experience and I never said otherwise.
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    I do tend to find that most Mac users can't justify why they paid all the additional money they did.

    However there's no denying that Macs are beautiful and I would happily buy one if I had lots of excess money.

    Unless you're a fashion snob, need it for the programs it offers or have lots of excess money don't get one.
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    (Original post by TheSingingMute)
    Then your friend needs to learn to look after his stuff.
    It was actually down to multiple hardware faults, which could've been down to the poor manufacturing of his Dell laptop, not because he felt like breaking it.

    Don't jump to conclusions mate :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by ohirome)
    Ah, but the PC still runs on good ol' craptastic Windows. Ive used my iMac for over a year now almost constantly and rarely shut it down and have yet to have even one minor crash or cockup. Compare that to most peoples experience of Windows and, well, it makes sense. I'd much rather pay for quality and reliability over the fact that 'omggzzzzz u can play warcraftz lyk a beast man omg'.
    I've heard people talk of PCs crashing, but I personally have never experienced a blue screen, nor random shut downs. However, (I know it's older, so they've improved now) we used to have an original iMac, and that used to crash all the time.

    However, if you can afford a Mac, go for it, they do look sweet and do run well etc, but personally I like to have Windows and run Linux on a virtual-OS.

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