[roadlesstravelled]

when britain becomes more civilised it will reintroduce capital punishment.


at the moment britain is a barbaric society which lets murderers and rapists walk the streets after feeble sentences.

[NuclearFusion]

No, not when you can use them as free labour. When I say free labour, I don't mean using them to save on paying people to do jobs- I wouldn't want them to take away jobs, but rather for them to do things that nobody does currently. For example, they could be hand polishing roads and pavements to make them look all sparkly and new. Of course nobody would be paid to do something like that, but you may as well make everything look a bit nicer if you can for free

[HJFSS]

(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
Depends what you mean by fantasising. People differ on which types of crime ought to be punished by capital punishment. The fact that he has stated different forms of capital punishment for different crimes is nothing new, see Durkheim's Two Laws of Penal Evolution. For example, I can see people advocating the death penalty more, or more harsher forms of it, for gang rapists than someone who was found guilty of raping another in a 1 v 1 situation. It's a bit pointless advocating the death penalty for hanging when it's quick and judged to be "humane" when the sentiment for a lot of pro death penalty stances is because of outrage and revenge.

There's a difference between "debating the morality of the death penalty and/or different forms of it" and "describing in great detail exactly what you'd do to those filthy political activists".

[ncsoftlover]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
How are we more developed than the USA? you clearly know nothing you liberal douche

The USA may very well be less developed than you think

Homicide Rate : US （highest rate of developed world)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

Failed State Index US: the 20th best

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...d_States_Index

Corruption Perception Index : US: 24

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupt...ceptions_Index

Global peach index US: 82

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_peace_index

Globalization index US: 27

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization_Index

Human Development Index US : 4 Inequality Adjusted: 23

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdi

Global gender gap report: US: 17

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Gender_Gap_Report

Average Life Expectancy US:36

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

Infant Mortality index S 34

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate

Education index : US 20

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

Democracy Index US : 19

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_index

Sastisfaction with life US: 23

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfa...ith_Life_Index

Press Freedom Index US:47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index


Countries that are consistently better ranked than the USA in these rankings
Canada, Australia, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium etc
Countries on relatively same level as USA: UK, France, NZ, etc
and What do these countries have in common ? Non of them have death penalty.
Within the USA, which states use death penalty the most often? which state don't have it? which state have it but never use it?
which states are on the more developed side, take a wild guess!
yes, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Oklahoma, Alabama, Tennessee, Utah execute most and often
see a trend here??
Oregon, California has moratorium on death penalty
Connecticut debating on abolishing it, very close to succeeding.
New York, Massachusetts, Maine, Alaska, Hawaii, New Jersey, DC, Illinois do not have it.
New Hampshire theoretically have it, but did not use it since 1939.

Richese states in USA
Delaware – $28,766 death penalty, not used very often
District of Columbia – $28,659 no death penalty
New Jersey – $27,006 no death penalty
Massachusetts – $25,952 no death penalty
Connecticut – $25,614 debating on abolishing it, execute one person in last 50 years, that was voluntary
Colorado – $24,049 death penalty, very rarely use it
Florida – $23,975 death penalty, quite often use it
New Hampshire – $23,844 basically no death penalty, haven't execute one person since 1939
New York – $23,389 no death penalty
Maryland – $23,305 death penalty, not used often
Minnesota – $23,198 no death penalty
Illinois – $23,104 no death penalty
Washington – $22,973 death penalty, not used often
California – $22,711 moratorium on death penalty, used rarely even before moratorium, despite many on death row.
Alaska – $22,660 no death penalty
Michigan – $22,168 no death penalty



list of poorest states in USA
35 Missouri death penalty used quite often
36 South Dakota death penalty rarely used
37 Idaho death penalty not very often
38 Florida death penalty often
39 North Carolina death penalty quite often
40 New Mexico recently abolished death penalty (great job!)
41 Louisiana death penalty somewhat often
42 South Carolina death penalty used often
43 Montana death penalty somewhat often
44 Tennessee death penalty quite often
45 Oklahoma death penalty very often
46 Alabama death penalty very very often
47 Kentucky death penalty somewhat often
48 Arkansas death penalty quite often
49 West Virginia no death penalty (great job!)
50 Mississippi death penalty very often

now let's do some trend comparison!

[chendry0911]

(Original post by isambard kingdom brunel)
lethal injection for drug users/traffickers
lethal gas for rape/murder
electrocution for terrorism/murdering a child/murdering a police officer/treason
hanging for political activism/defacing the union jack/graffiting cenotaphs
firing squad for military crimes

i have thought about this a lot.

definately

[ncsoftlover]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
How are we more developed than the USA? you clearly know nothing you liberal douche

now want to argue again whether USA is truly developed?
should I bring out the stats for Norway?
no need for Norway actually, Canada slaughter US in about any human development stat.

[ncsoftlover]

oh ,and of course to the topic obviously

[greenway]

As much as I would like to say yes as there are in my opinion certainly crimes out there that deserve death as a punishment, I would 100% say no as the legal/justice system is not 100% perfect and if there is even the slightest chance that a mistake was to be made it would be unforgiveable to take away a life wrongly.

[jd66]

Yes but only in cases of serial murder or child murder, the sort of crimes that have full life terms at the minute. I think its wrong to have capital punishment for just one murder however as although I never condone someone taking another life, in certain circumstances rage can overcome people such as finding your partner in bed with someone else, domestic violence, someone who's been bullied or raped or whatever killing the purpertrator. If you kill one person it may be because that persons driven you to it even though its completely wrong and you should be jailed for it preferably for the rest of your life. People who kill children or kill or several people just for enjoyment are sick and deserve all they get and are a burden to the tax payer in jail.

[greenway]

(Original post by Ahotaru)


No, no, and no. Why the hell would you condemn someone else's life when you can force them to do community work for the rest of their lives? There's something call life imprisonment. And besides, who are we to decide if someone lives or not? As Ghandi said "an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind". We're not animals and this is not the law of the jungle, even if sometimes I give myself the benefit of the doubt...

a fantastic quote to use!

[shirley7]

Yes. Some people simply do not deserve to be walking, sleeping, eating, etc.

[miser]

Not in favour it it. ()

[Joe-89]

No. I find it hard to understand how a legal system can condemn murder, while systematically ending lives itself.

To the people who say "yes, but only when there is 100% proof that the person did the crime": what would you consider to be the concrete proof needed to sentence this person to an irreversible punishment? People have been executed because of their "unquestionable" guilt and later found to be innocent many times before.

Aside from that, I personally just find it barbaric. I'd be pretty embarrassed if my country still carried out capital punishment tbh.

[hannahchan]

no.

but harsher punishments should be put in place.

[Angry Spartan]

No.

[The Cool Arse]

No! Erm, excuse me, but be singular not plural! Stick with that! *Tom tells the government*

[amime]

No, I find it hard to understand how a government can condemn murder, while systematically ending lives itself.

To the people who say "yes, but only when there is 100% proof that the person did the crime"; what would you consider to be the concrete proof needed to sentence this person to an irreversible punishment? People have been executed because of their "unquestionable" guilt and later found to be innocent many times before. It only takes one person to be wrongfully sentenced to death to outweigh any possible benefit that the death penalty can bring to a civilised society.

[thegodofgod]

(Original post by Isambard Kingdom Brunel)
Lethal Injection for drug users/traffickers
Lethal Gas for rape/murder
Electrocution for terrorism/murdering a child/murdering a police officer/treason
Hanging for political activism/defacing the Union Jack/graffiting cenotaphs
Firing Squad for military crimes

I have thought about this a lot.

LOL!

[bulgy]

no

[Joe-89]

(Original post by amime)
No, I find it hard to understand how a government can condemn murder, while systematically ending lives itself.

To the people who say "yes, but only when there is 100% proof that the person did the crime"; what would you consider to be the concrete proof needed to sentence this person to an irreversible punishment? People have been executed because of their "unquestionable" guilt and later found to be innocent many times before. It only takes one person to be wrongfully sentenced to death to outweigh any possible benefit that the death penalty can bring to a civilised society.

I'm not sure whether you're agreeing with me or just being sarcastic