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What are the ACTUAL (side) effects of smoking cannabis?

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    (Original post by n00)
    :wtf:

    Genetically engineering is certainly not common place for cannabis breeders, ive never heard of a genetically engineered strain of cannabis, nor is patenting and theres very little luck involved, other than very occasionally someone finding an amazing plant out of some random bagseed.

    I can't say im at all bothered whether its natural or not, it seems totally irrelevant to how it benefits me or any health implications. Plants use a specific spectrum of light whether it be from the sun or a light bulb. Using a bulb doesn't suddenly mutate plants into killers. All plants need nutrients how the **** do you expect them to grow? Many cannabis growers use 100% organic soil and nutrients but the chemicals are pretty much the same as those in none organic ferts.

    Do you eat only 100% organic food? Do you not have light bulbs in your house? Honestly i don't think i have ever come across such a confused and naive argument against cannabis.
    I was not argueing against canibus.
    I'm pro choice, and my posts in this thread have reflected that.

    You argued that skunk was not genetically engineered, when in some cases it is.

    I pointed out hybrid strains that in some cases have been engineered to increase strength.

    Whether GM is good or bad, is abit off topic, and as I said in previous posts, some of my best friends, who are successful smoke on a regular basis. Infact, they also only smoke the top of the range stuff, and at some points in their lives, have been very heavy users.

    They also made me aware of the processes involved. I've met people from all walks of life, who's done this or that, and some have had varying levels of involvement in the process in a range of countries.

    You wanted a rant against 'The Sun' esque views that superskunk is Genetically Modified thus evil.

    And I wanted to point out that in some cases it is Genetically Modified, and the reason I did that because I feel that there is such nievity within smoking circles, as I previously mentioned.

    However, I am an extreme liberal, and as much as my friends smoked pot, they occassionally did other things; Cocaine, MDMA/MDA, Amphetemines, Ketemin, 2cb/2ce. To me; everything should be legalised, and people should make an educated (with easy access to non bias opinions) choice as to whether they partake or not.

    I've been in arguements with 'smoking pot is fine because it's natural and taking mdma isn't fine because its chemically made'. Hence the discussion here.

    Pot smokers have this habit of getting defensive, and stating all the good points, and forgetting the negatives.

    Smoking 'Super Silver Haze' (one of my friends fav, because he saw it as being stronger then anything else) constanty, can, and often will have serious side effects.

    My friends (all mid 20's), all understand this concept.

    But then again, booze, smoking (personally, I smoke a fair amount of cigs), eating unhealthy foods, not exercising... These all can have serious side effects too.

    Life is all about balance.
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    Met plenty of people dependant on it that just lay about smoking it denying they have a problem, and I've met quite a few droners in my time for comparison. People come reliant on it and considering there are no laws or regulations surrounding drugs, they turn people into this dirty little scummy gremlins that either steal, do whatever they can get away with to benefit themself and their 'habit'....also become horrifically unreliable and basically end up living a horrible life still under the impression that they can stop anytime they want. Such a waste, then there are dumbasses that were dumb before and after weed, so go figure. That is drugs in general, cannabis is no exception just because it is 'just a plant'.

    Plenty end up like this. Then again some don't, but I'll be honest, I have never met an honest, pleasant, trustworthy or long term likable person that uses Class A or even Class C substances, their real passion is the habit or addiction and everyone else is just an accessory be that cocaine or weed or even alcohol. That's the truth kids, deal with it. Met chicks that ended up dealing for their ''boyfriends'' at university, if you were to look at the relationship it was basically slave labour and she gave him sex in return for a supply of high grade gange, no ****ing joke. Saw bruises on her recently, make your own decisions. Still thinks she is in a 'relationship' and he would probably agree. Good old working class family in the making there. The only friends I know that they hang out with are people that take the drugs they are dealing, you can bet your ass they don't leave them alone with the stash alone.

    Inb4 hurr durr its not addictive.

    Smoke myself, can get through an 1/8th in a week and feel like **** for a month after, then again a heavy night of alcohol can alter my mood for the following weeks and it affects my studies greatly.

    I only pickup about 3 times a year now. But I know I know, there is some stoner going to put down the facts I've seen because they are living a lavish lifestyle in a massive mansion running a FTSE company and smoked 3g every day...
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    (Original post by Ben_LiveYourDreams)
    You argued that skunk was not genetically engineered, when in some cases it is.
    No it really isn't.
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    It can make you question life sometimes, also lately i've experianced a couple of panic attacks I think they were at least I felt paranoid or heart palpatations but whilst I love feeling relaxed at the time, I find the next day i find it hard to think fast and seem fairly withdrawn from uni or work etc I duno it's hard to explain sometimes :/ also i get lazy so lie in alot.... miss uni which is annoying cos i quite like lectures... find them interesting but when i smoke regualary i just can't be bothered to get up lol. Also, as with other drugs (I have taken mdma, cocaine, methedrone, ket) weed is cheap in comparison but still, all adds up and become skint if you're not careful, that brings me on to eating aload of fatty foods too, which isn't great for you're skin.
    Evidence: Smoke weed daily for past year or so

    also i find it increases my sex drive but I find it harder to talk to girls as in I lose my confidence if im just stoned lol but this does not happen if im drunk or buzzing off other drugs...
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    i love cannabis
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    (Original post by n00)
    No it really isn't.
    I think maybe the issue is here is that people have different ideas of what genetic engineering is. It isn't simply splicing genes in a lab, it also constitutes selective in breeding and selectice cross pollination. Skunk was originally formed this way to give 20 times the amount of THC. I havent actually checked how the other forms were created but I would not be surprised if gene splicing did occur as illegal drugs are no small business. These people DO have fairly advanced labs.

    Also just to add you can't supply evidence then disrefute it when you realise it argues againsst your point. Things done work that way.
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    (Original post by Antiaris)
    it also constitutes selective in breeding and selectice cross pollination.
    No it really doesn't.

    (Original post by Antiaris)
    Skunk was originally formed this way to give 20 times the amount of THC.
    20 times what?

    (Original post by Antiaris)
    Also just to add you can't supply evidence then disrefute it when you realise it argues againsst your point. Things done work that way.
    :rofl: i dont really think thats necessary.
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    (Original post by chrislpp)
    Met plenty of people dependant on it that just lay about smoking it denying they have a problem, and I've met quite a few droners in my time for comparison. People come reliant on it and considering there are no laws or regulations surrounding drugs, they turn people into this dirty little scummy gremlins that either steal, do whatever they can get away with to benefit themself and their 'habit'....also become horrifically unreliable and basically end up living a horrible life still under the impression that they can stop anytime they want. Such a waste, then there are dumbasses that were dumb before and after weed, so go figure. That is drugs in general, cannabis is no exception just because it is 'just a plant'.

    Plenty end up like this. Then again some don't, but I'll be honest, I have never met an honest, pleasant, trustworthy or long term likable person that uses Class A or even Class C substances, their real passion is the habit or addiction and everyone else is just an accessory be that cocaine or weed or even alcohol.


    That's the truth kids, deal with it. Met chicks that ended up dealing for their ''boyfriends'' at university, if you were to look at the relationship it was basically slave labour and she gave him sex in return for a supply of high grade gange, no ****ing joke. Saw bruises on her recently, make your own decisions. Still thinks she is in a 'relationship' and he would probably agree. Good old working class family in the making there. The only friends I know that they hang out with are people that take the drugs they are dealing, you can bet your ass they don't leave them alone with the stash alone.

    Inb4 hurr durr its not addictive.

    Smoke myself, can get through an 1/8th in a week and feel like **** for a month after, then again a heavy night of alcohol can alter my mood for the following weeks and it affects my studies greatly.

    I only pickup about 3 times a year now. But I know I know, there is some stoner going to put down the facts I've seen because they are living a lavish lifestyle in a massive mansion running a FTSE company and smoked 3g every day...

    I've met plenty of people that don't become like lazy and demotivated that have experiences drugs, and even more or less suffered with addiction.

    Ultimately every individual has a choice, and the choice comes down to is this habit more important then the rest of their lives. People with no lives yet that addiction become them.

    Thats why you don't hear about successful stoners in the media, because of the stigma attached to the addictions.

    Paul McCartney's net worth is £750 million, and he quit smoking pot feb this year aged 69.

    I also think, because of his pro legaliosation attitude, Richard Branson has been/is a user, or has been exposed to a substantial users who have had achievement.


    And in all fairness, like most people who have been heavily exposed to the culture, I have some people go down very dark paths, including prison, or heroin addiction. But they had the same choices as the successful people, but they chose to let their use define them.
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    (Original post by Ben_LiveYourDreams)
    I've met plenty of people that don't become like lazy and demotivated that have experiences drugs, and even more or less suffered with addiction.

    Ultimately every individual has a choice, and the choice comes down to is this habit more important then the rest of their lives. People with no lives yet that addiction become them.

    Thats why you don't hear about successful stoners in the media, because of the stigma attached to the addictions.

    Paul McCartney's net worth is £750 million, and he quit smoking pot feb this year aged 69.

    I also think, because of his pro legaliosation attitude, Richard Branson has been/is a user, or has been exposed to a substantial users who have had achievement.


    And in all fairness, like most people who have been heavily exposed to the culture, I have some people go down very dark paths, including prison, or heroin addiction. But they had the same choices as the successful people, but they chose to let their use define them.
    For every McCarntney and Branson though, there are thousands that just turn to it out of boredom and have no ambition, and just wind up poorer as a result.

    We have no knowledge of the extent of those 2 usages, we both know they want it legalized, so they will never say how it ever hindered them, or how they may have been more successul without it.

    It sure as hell doesn't make me smarter, a few joints at uni made me sluggish and the topics at those points I have no clue about and still trying to get my head around them.

    I've seen drugs, money and alcohol do things to people and it is always the same story. I avoid people like that like the plague now, not worth my time at all.
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    I smoke on occasion (no more than once a month, and never in exam times), sometimes recreationally, sometimes as pain management. Short term side effects for me? Talking about how I shall run the country and how awesome it will be. If I roll too much in a spliff it gives me headaches, so I guess that is a side effect. Also time loss is a side effect, suddenly the simplest tasks take longer and distracting stuff is a lot more distracting...
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    Well it could be a gateway to other more serious drugs, even if you take one more new drug after trying weed that would be classed as a gateway. But from someone whos taken a lot of weed, I would say try and enjoy life without it, I think you might see more than when you use it.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering

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    I do apologise, my definition of genetic engineering was wrong. Skunk was created by the cross pollination and genetic selection of different substrates of marujana to give a bredd that gave 10 times the THC hit.
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    Perfect thread for my a2 French oral topic 'je suis pour la légalisation du cannabis' which translates as 'I am for the legalisation of cannabis', obviously I have ideas for it already but I was wondering if you guys wanna help me out and offer more ideas to make my debate even stronger?
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    (Original post by Antiaris)
    that gave 10 times the THC hit.
    Of a small marsupial?
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    You're wrong on several accounts:
    Not everything is hilarious, that's an overstatement.
    Mixing with other drugs, yes, can cause illness. However, I've never known anyone ever to smoke so much that they throw up. It just doesn't happen unless there's something malicious in the bud in the first place, in which case it's not down to the drug so much as it is what was added to it by a mischievous party.
    You don't "see things", per se. Disturbances may happen, but not straight up hallucinations.
    Under water? :lolwut:
    Loving everyone and everything? You're thinking of ecstasy. Again, I've never known anyone who's felt like that after toking.

    As for the long terms effects:
    CBD has been proven to be an atypical anti-psychotic/anti-schizoid (one of the two, I can't remember which), whereas THC has anti-cancer properties. So although smoke in general isn't good for your lungs, smoke from cannabis is hella better for you than tobacco smoke.

    I'm also going to mention that I've been smoking cannabis several times a week for almost two years now, and I've yet to experience anything you listed (aside from paranoia, which doesn't count because I was paranoid to begin with, and it hasn't heightened).

    Wow... I wasn't specifically scientific about my experiences with cannabis. I smoked it myself for a long time and those were the side effects my friends and I experienced.
    I am aware that MDMA makes you fall in love with everyone... however I did experience similar feelings with weed. Making you feel very cosy and comfortable and loveable etc.
    There were plenty of times I "saw things which weren't really there" absolutely, and also plenty of times I was sick.

    Obviously it affects everyone in different ways- I haven't touched it since August 2009 and am very happy about that. It's nasty stuff, but live and let live :yep:
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    (Original post by Billton)
    Wow... I wasn't specifically scientific about my experiences with cannabis. I smoked it myself for a long time and those were the side effects my friends and I experienced.
    I am aware that MDMA makes you fall in love with everyone... however I did experience similar feelings with weed. Making you feel very cosy and comfortable and loveable etc.
    There were plenty of times I "saw things which weren't really there" absolutely, and also plenty of times I was sick.

    Obviously it affects everyone in different ways- I haven't touched it since August 2009 and am very happy about that. It's nasty stuff, but live and let live :yep:
    No no no, I'm telling you that it's not a hallucinogenic :lol:
    You don't get true hallucinations with weed, it just doesn't happen. Fact. I don't know what you were smoking, but if it was causing true hallucinations then either someone's put something into your bud or you're thinking of another drug (or maybe taking another drug by mistake through no fault of your own).

    With cannabis you get a slightly altered sense of perception, time, and space, but that's it. It's not exactly acid.

    Throwing up may occur if your blood pressure drops too much, though you certainly shouldn't have thrown up plenty of times. If you ever feel nauseous after smoking cannabis then lie down for a few minutes and you'll be as right as rain in no time.
    Again, I'd wager someone's been tampering with your bud if it's been causing you to throw up a lot. It's wise to only ever buy drugs from people that you trust
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    side effects?
    Psychosis.
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    Does the fact that it slows the rate of certain tumour progression (mostly breast cancer) count as a side effect?

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