[Kalb]

(Original post by navarre)
Oh of course. Because it has nothing to do with religion at all.

The reason why (most) Protestants and Jews side with Israel and Muslims side with Palestine isn't to do with culture, for Islam and Protestantism encompass a very wide range of cultures, often contradictory. The reason why religious groups support a certain side is very much because of religion.

That's why we're always hearing about Israel/Palestine in the press. We're literally having it forced down our throats every day, despite how minor it is compared to countless more devastating events such as famines, wars and repression going on right now. The struggles in Darfur or North Korea are not religious, (indeed Darfur is truly cultural) and so no interest is shown.

religion is part of it, but it depends whether one classifies islam as religion or ideology.

[Kalb]

(Original post by MaxMazefield)
BINGO!! nicely put harmony_01

hardly, because we all know how peaceful your average iraq or syria is.

[roadlesstravelled]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
Considering how liberal and tolerant our societies have become and the increasing cultural awareness, especially in retrospect to the holocaust. Why is there a growing trend of antisemitism in the world.

In school playgrounds its become the new thing to call someone a jew and discrete phrases like that, even western asians at my school openly denounce jews as viscious zionists (presumable because of israel and palestine) but its not exactly just.

And recently we have the norwegian massacres and the French ones just yesterday.

anders breivik was an ardent zionist. the secular far right are all completely 100% behind zionism and jews.

the only far right groups who hate jews are the old style neo nazis who side with islam.

[RexyB]

Oh yeah blame it in the Christians. Uh huh when we are in church each Easter we remember how those dirty Jews murdered Jesus...

That was sarcasm by the way. Just in case I get negged by idiots

It's funny how people remember which Testament they want when it suits them. What? Christians don't follow they Old Testament anymore? Or is it only when you want to complain about corporal punishments. And then suddenly you'll forget about Jesus. Who was a Jew.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by Study)
People believe Jews run the world, alot of muslims dislike the actions of israel so they dislike jews but they do not know that some jews also oppose israel.
Also I find people tend to blame others if they have no job etc, so yh somehow that may a jews fault in their view.

Time magazine's Top 25 people responsible for the meltdown (13 out of 25 people are Jews and Jews only make 2.4% of American population)

1) Alan Greenspan - JEW
2) Robert Rubin - JEW
3) Bill Clinton
3) Barney Frank - JEW
3) Angelo Mozilo
4) David Loeb - JEW
5) Alan Fishman - JEW
6) Jimmy Cayne
7) Alan Schwartz - JEW
8) **** Fuld - JEW
9) George W Bush
9) Hank Paulson
10) Ben Bernanke - JEW
11) Christopher Dodd
12) Christopher Cox
13) Raymond W. McDaniel
14) Kathleen Corbet
15) Herb and Marion Sandler - JEW
16) Michael Strauss- JEW
17) Daniel Mudd
18) Richard Syron - JEW
19) Jerry L. Starkey
20) Jeffrey T. Mezger
21) Stuart Miller
22) Kevork S. Hovnanian
23) Maurice R. Greenberg - JEW
24) Phil Graham
25) Robert Genader - JEW

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...iduals-economy
Maybe it's coincidence, who knows











Anyways, we have problems with Israel, not Jews.

[Dux_Helvetica]

Jews have always been turned on and used as scapegoats, especially in troubling financial circumstances. This stems from the fact that Jews controlled banking when charging interest on money was a Christian sin. Jews have stuck on to these kinds of jobs as well as stuck together, in varying degrees of isolation, within their countries of residence. Where I live and at this time, anti-Semitism is an essentially left-wing phenomenon, although it has not always been the case. And then you have the Arab opposition to the existence of Israel which is a whole other can of worms.

[prog2djent]

In response generally and to those making stereo-typical banking comments

Jews were partly responsible for Jesus Death
They have always been there, as a minority religious/cultural/ethnic (less so) organisation against very large groups, the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Christians, Muslims, and today, there are only 14million jews, they are the oldest lasting group out of all big groups, I know that sounds like babyish language but its true. Religions, cultures and societies have passed, Jews have always been there, well, for 5 millenia atleast. I think something to do with the perseverence and the fact they are very smal in population annoys people who want total control or conversion (in religious terms) or cultural in societal terms.

The Israel/Palestine foreign policy war, I don't think there is much to hate about what happens inside of israel in the social realm, in comparison to palestine, although it can be argued that the Israeli foreign policy made palestine that way. So you have arab muslims, and more so mid eastern muslims (non-arab) who oppose Israel moreso, and westeners aswell. But a lot of the arab muslims hate israel on their societal practaces as well, in comparison with the surrounding regions. Such as homosexual freedom of the western european ilk, freedom of religion, the fact palestinians have more rights in Israel than they do in palestine, muslims have more rights in israel, free speach rights, free press, a democracy (albeit flawed), top university's, the highest concentration of geneuses and nobel prize winner in the world, and not just the peace prize, the academic ones such as economics, science etc etc, and I think that irks surrounding nations too, on an ideological standpoint from muslim conservatives as they oppose these 'western' and liberal-haraam views anyway, but some may just feel slightly irked that Israel has such a bad foreign policy, and free, healthy, internal society, compared with their own societies, which have less agressive foreign policies, but oppressive governments and illiberal societies.

Then you have the elders of zion documen hoax (look it up if you haven't) which started off the whole jews-illuminati conspiracy.

And the reason so many Jews work in banking is beacuse of the Christian Interest/capital sin, tradition, and family. Jews were granted the banking rights over and above muslims and christians (perticularly catholics) around europe and bordering on asia, as an apology for 0BC - 1500BC oppression, this obviously annoyed the other groups, and finance has slowly crept into jewish tradition, and family ties, as their bonds and perseverence in this area (like all areas), really does stick through and stay.

Antisemitism has, from the Middle Ages, frequently taken on characteristics of conspiracy theory. Antisemitic canards continue to circulate. In medieval Europe it was widely believed that Jews poisoned wells, had killed Jesus, and consumed the blood of Christians in their rituals (despite the fact that human and animal blood is not kosher).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard

[roadlesstravelled]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Time magazine's Top 25 people responsible for the meltdown (13 out of 25 people are Jews and Jews only make 2.4% of American population)

1) Alan Greenspan - JEW
2) Robert Rubin - JEW
3) Bill Clinton
3) Barney Frank - JEW
3) Angelo Mozilo
4) David Loeb - JEW
5) Alan Fishman - JEW
6) Jimmy Cayne
7) Alan Schwartz - JEW
8) **** Fuld - JEW
9) George W Bush
9) Hank Paulson
10) Ben Bernanke - JEW
11) Christopher Dodd
12) Christopher Cox
13) Raymond W. McDaniel
14) Kathleen Corbet
15) Herb and Marion Sandler - JEW
16) Michael Strauss- JEW
17) Daniel Mudd
18) Richard Syron - JEW
19) Jerry L. Starkey
20) Jeffrey T. Mezger
21) Stuart Miller
22) Kevork S. Hovnanian
23) Maurice R. Greenberg - JEW
24) Phil Graham
25) Robert Genader - JEW

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...iduals-economy
Maybe it's coincidence, who knows











Anyways, we have problems with Israel, not Jews.

great post. its funny how these jewish supremacists like to be in control of finance but when things go wrong suddenly its not their fault -- its been this way for thousands of years it seems.....

[prog2djent]

(Original post by roadlesstravelled)
great post. its funny how these jewish supremacists like to be in control of finance but when things go wrong suddenly its not their fault -- its been this way for thousands of years it seems.....

Have you even read anything on both sides of the argument against the "jews control [insert anything in existance]" argument.

I used to lean towards the same prejudices as you around 3 of 4 years ago when first watching a couple of 3 hour long youtube and google video, video's.

When you start off not knowing about the jewish conspiracy theory, as do most, then learning about it, you end up believing it. Try to read up on both sides before passing a stupid comment like "its been like this for thousand of years"

Anti-semitism is the longest hatred in the history of the world. The jewish people are the longest surviving 1million+ group, and they have been the most persecuted througout history. So many hoaxes and false information, a variety of scapegoats, disingeninuity and un-educated hatred have led to this.

[roadlesstravelled]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Have you even read anything on both sides of the argument against the "jews control [insert anything in existance]" argument.

I used to lean towards the same prejudices as you around 3 of 4 years ago when first watching a couple of 3 hour long youtube and google video, video's.

When you start off not knowing about the jewish conspiracy theory, as do most, then learning about it, you end up believing it. Try to read up on both sides before passing a stupid comment like "its been like this for thousand of years"

Anti-semitism is the longest hatred in the history of the world. The jewish people are the longest surviving 1million+ group, and they have been the most persecuted througout history. So many hoaxes and false information, a variety of scapegoats, disingeninuity and un-educated hatred have led to this.

its not a conspiracy theory. its just that jews are extremely ethno centric and so they tend to hire their own people.

for example, it was a so called conspiracy theory for years that jews controlled hollywood and media. but now, its just fine to accept it -- in fact. those who do not want jews to control hollywood are considered anti semitic. bizarre. but thats how it is.

this article in the lA times, written by a boastful jewish guy, confirms that jews relish the fact that they control hollywood and media.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...4676183.column


they are the dominant ethnic group in america today -- it may not always be that way. but thats how it is now.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by roadlesstravelled)
its not a conspiracy theory. its just that jews are extremely ethno centric and so they tend to hire their own people.

for example, it was a so called conspiracy theory for years that jews controlled hollywood and media. but now, its just fine to accept it -- in fact. those who do not want jews to control hollywood are considered anti semitic. bizarre. but thats how it is.

this article in the lA times, written by a boastful jewish guy, confirms that jews relish the fact that they control hollywood and media.


http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...4676183.column


they are the dominant ethnic group in america today -- it may not always be that way. but thats how it is now.

I will start of by saying if you think jews are the dominant ethnic group (jews aren't an ethncity, they are a faith, like muslims aren't a race, nor christians etc etc, they may have developed and manifested in particular areas, but they aren't races/ethnicities)

And so what if Jews partially run the US above-mediated media? The fact they stick with a close clan of others jews is a teaching in the Mishnah. Muslims will control the media in muslims countries and even in countries not dominated competely by muslims. The jewish have had a lot of confort in western nations to develop and largely escpae persecution (though it is growing what with increased immigration form N.Africa and the Mid-east), Jews do not get the same rights in the rest of the world so therefore don't get anywhere, or just move here or to Israel. Its simple logic.

Also check my post about 4 or so other above this one, the long one, and go to the bottom and check the first link.

[AverageExcellence]

(Original post by Framingham)
How is that anti-semitism?

calling a person a jew as a derogatory insult is anti-semitic? maybe i didnt phrase the sentence properly.

[Framingham]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
calling a person a jew as a derogatory insult is anti-semitic? maybe i didnt phrase the sentence properly.

In what derogatory situation would you call someone a Jew?

[AverageExcellence]

(Original post by Framingham)
In what derogatory situation would you call someone a Jew?

Well if you ever watch south park, the banter on there that is immitated on the playground is anti-semite certainly.

Or just calling someone a jew where its typical to call someone gay in a bad way. like you stupid jew or something.

[Framingham]

(Original post by AverageExcellence)
Well if you ever watch south park, the banter on there that is immitated on the playground is anti-semite certainly.

Or just calling someone a jew where its typical to call someone gay in a bad way. like you stupid jew or something.

That's not anti-semitic though. It's just childish.

[orcprocess]

South Park?

[Alex17595]

Apparently jews were like bankers in Germany - thats why hitler blamed them.
but steryotypes still live on throughout time

[AverageExcellence]

(Original post by Framingham)
That's not anti-semitic though. It's just childish.

Its both, all slurs and insults are childish.

[thurin]

(Original post by navarre)
Oh of course. Because it has nothing to do with religion at all.

The reason why (most) Protestants and Jews side with Israel and Muslims side with Palestine isn't to do with culture, for Islam and Protestantism encompass a very wide range of cultures, often contradictory. The reason why religious groups support a certain side is very much because of religion.

That's why we're always hearing about Israel/Palestine in the press. We're literally having it forced down our throats every day, despite how minor it is compared to countless more devastating events such as famines, wars and repression going on right now. The struggles in Darfur or North Korea are not religious, (indeed Darfur is truly cultural) and so no interest is shown.

I am not convinced by that logic.

The religious and tribal conflicts in many African states are rife, but the Western media do not report on them as nearly as much as the Israel-Palestine conflict. The provenance of sectarian conflicts cannot be held as the prime motivations for the Western media's interest.

The relationship between Israel and Anglo-American politics is the main factor why the Israel-Palestine conflict is so reported in the media. The ethnocentrism and force of the Israeli/Zionist lobby in the USA motivates Western interest. Darfur and North Korea bear little to no impact on Western politics, so why should the media or political elite care as much? You only have to see the press coverage of the Mali coup d'état 3 days ago - it received one short paragraph in the Guardian newspaper yesterday - to see why certain news stories have more leverage in the West.

But you're right on the salient point of religion increasing the fervour on both sides round the Israel-Palestine conflict. When Israel and Palestine, as theocratic political entities, become conflated with and reduced to representatives of Judaism and Islam respectively, of course the conflict will become more widespread and the views held by Western observers more fanatical.

[Kiss]

Well Disney has never helped.