[moh89]

Thats my point it isn't okay for them to criticise you, but you doing it back doesn't make you any better.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by SpongebobSquarepan)
Change the subject AGAIN you said I called all muslims terrorirsts which I didin't. Why did you say this?

You haven't swayed my opinion and it isn't unjust. I never see any of my muslim friends or muslims i know saying oh look whats going on in .... it's always about palestine, pakistan or afghnistan.

Yet they only have family members from pakistan, I find it weird.

(Original post by Simple Symphony)
Your group of friends are highly unrepresentative of the whole population now aren't they? You should interrogate your friends, not all British Muslims on TSR.

So it's wrong for them to point out the issues in Palestine and Afghanistan just because their families are from other countries? Clearly you've just pointed out that muslims do care about countries that don't directly concern them, contradictions...
Also, I should point out that countries that are constantly in the news are those that are buried in debt or war-ridden. These countries we are exposed to are the ones we know and understand the most, so we are able to empathise with their situation.

When was the last time you preached, "Think about the drug problem affecting our children in Belize!" never?

Both of you are asking each other circular questions without stating the actual answer -

Islam teaches a false spiritual superiority over non muslims and has done for 1400 years - they regard them as sinners/unbelivers etc ( how else was mohammed going to get arabs to convert to his new religion and keep them in it?) Therefore why should they care what hapens to non muslims in non muslims countries - why would being concerned for christian, hindu, jewish countries benefit islam and its propagation?

This is exemplified by the fact that islamic charities in almost their entirety only funnel money towards other muslims. Compare that to the Red cross, Meds sans frontier, oxfam, wateraid etc that direct money to people that need it the most, whether they be christian. muslim, jew etc.

[Retrodiction]

(Original post by Pavol)
justborn: to me it appears you are a muslim convert?

Why? I know quite a few muslim non-converts and can say with certainty that not a single one of them is racist, sexist, anti-britain or particularly involved with any of the Israel-Palestine stuff.

[alithegreat]

(Original post by Ann Widdecombe)
Didn't Mohammed order assassinations? Are they not counted as murder?

Do you mean punishments for the crimes they committed? Can you be more specific

[Ann Widdecombe]

(Original post by alithegreat)
Do you mean punishments for the crimes they committed? Can you be more specific

There are many accounts of the prophet Mohammed ordering the executions of people. Whether they committed crimes or not is a matter or opinion, but many certainly wouldn't be guilty of any crimes here in the West. For example, there's a story about a Meccan poet who'd boast that his stories were better than Mohammed's, and claimed that he'd just copied old fables. He joined the Meccan army, and was captured by Mohammed's Muslim forces at the Battle of Badr in AD 624, and Mohammed ordered his cousin to execute him, rather than allowing the Meccans to pay a ransom for his return. That sounds like murder to me, killing someone just because you don't like what they have to say. It's a very Muslim thing to do though.

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Bonged.)
How can you hate a whole country? I'm not particularly impressed by the majority of muslim countries treatment of their minorities, but obviously not everyone in those countries supports that treatment.

I didn't say I hate the people of the country; I hate the country itself due to its ridiculous policies.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
I didn't say I hate the people of the country; I hate the country itself due to its ridiculous policies.

But you dont have any problem with the inherent racism of saudi arabian policies? Taleban afganistan?

How odd

[clad in armour]

a misguided thread full of misguided posts

[Straight up G]

(Original post by Chloe xxx)
I love you! An unbiased muslim who is actually true to their religion and is actually showing muslims in a good light by admitting some have sexist and bigoted views

(this isnt sarcastic by the way)

You have the nerve to talk about bigoted views? Excuse me while I piss myself laughing.



Anyways, I agree with clad in armour. This thread is just full of arguments that have more holes in them than my mum's sieve ffs. Aspiringlawstudent says he doesn't like Israel, therefore automatically, he can't hate Saudi as well. Useless fools...

[Bonged.]

(Original post by Straight up G)
You have the nerve to talk about bigoted views? Excuse me while I piss myself laughing.



Anyways, I agree with clad in armour. This thread is just full of arguments that have more holes in them than my mum's sieve ffs. Aspiringlawstudent says he doesn't like Israel, therefore automatically, he can't hate Saudi as well. Useless fools...

You have misunderstood. You shouldn't hate whole countries. That's actually textbook definition racism.

If he has a problem with Israel's policies, fine. He hates current Israeli foreign policy. I hate Saudi's policy on.. well everything really, doesn't mean I'm moronic enough to believe that all people in Saudi support bigoted islamist actions.

[Straight up G]

(Original post by Bonged.)
You have misunderstood. You shouldn't hate whole countries. That's actually textbook definition racism.

If he has a problem with Israel's policies, fine. He hates current Israeli foreign policy. I hate Saudi's policy on.. well everything really, doesn't mean I'm moronic enough to believe that all people in Saudi support bigoted islamist actions.

I wasn't referring to you, but to ICF's post. It's bad to single him out though, so I'll mention some more of the idiocy that's been shown; a guy mentions Islamic charities, slams them for being inclusive, then compares them to a host of non-religious charities. Apples and oranges much? And that's ignoring the very reasons why Muslim charities exist in the first place. Then we have a user, who is notorious for bigotry and offensiveness to Muslims claiming that she's nice to Muslims in the street etc.. Hypocrite

[Bonged.]

(Original post by Straight up G)
I wasn't referring to you, but to ICF's post. It's bad to single him out though, so I'll mention some more of the idiocy that's been shown; a guy mentions Islamic charities, slams them for being inclusive, then compares them to a host of non-religious charities. Apples and oranges much? And that's ignoring the very reasons why Muslim charities exist in the first place. Then we have a user, who is notorious for bigotry and offensiveness to Muslims claiming that she's nice to Muslims in the street etc.. Hypocrite

Religious charities exist primarily to spread their religion.

Hypocrite? Maybe, but if she actually went up to muslims in the street, especially up north and said "I don't appreciate how the koran says homosexuals and women should be treated" , she would get, at best battered.

I don't like any organised religion, except maybe jainism or buddhism. Doesn't mean I need to be rude to individuals.

Likewise if someone is wearing a short skirt or being gay (lol), religious people need to learn to deal with it without deeming everyone else as immoral.

[Muscovite]

[read_iqra]

(Original post by Ann Widdecombe)
Didn't Mohammed order assassinations? Are they not counted as murder?

U may have misunderstood what i put or i may have not explained it in a proper manner.
apologies..

to answer ur question... No assasinations were ordered directly by prophet muhammad may peace and blessings be upon him.

He (peace and blessings upon him) participated in battles which were justified because they were fought on protecting their homeland...their families and beliefs when they were attacked first or when pledges between both sides were broken by the non believers.. which is under any internation law as defending our given rights..

The mercy of our prophet Muhammad peace and blessing upon him has no comparable example.. where he forgave those who murdered his own daughter may mercy decend upon her..
where he would visit those who were ill.. even though on occasions these people abused him...
Where he would pray for those who attacked him..

His blessed life teaches us tolerance and not hate
this is the example of all prophet may peace be upon them all
even our blessed propet jesus peace be upon him..

[read_iqra]

(Original post by SpongebobSquarepan)
So how does that mean I have called muslims terrorists???

For the record I just find it strange how muslims get so fanatical about muslim countries they have never visited or have any relation to.

It's really weird.

Its because every believer in god and all his prophets peace be upon them all... share a link and bond which creats love, harmony, respect between them... this love flows over any borders... nation...colour...

yes you may find it weird

but as muslims... in all honesty... wer alll one nation... the majority and correct majority have one view which is peace.. the different countries are merely ways of identification

[SpongebobSquarepan]

(Original post by read_iqra)
Its because every believer in god and all his prophets peace be upon them all... share a link and bond which creats love, harmony, respect between them... this love flows over any borders... nation...colour...

yes you may find it weird

but as muslims... in all honesty... wer alll one nation... the majority and correct majority have one view which is peace.. the different countries are merely ways of identification

Ok so you're racist basically. only care about your race and not any others.

Cheers for clearing that up.

[Luxray]

(Original post by SpongebobSquarepan)
Why do the majority care so much about countries they have no relation to and why do they all despise Israel so much?

Why don't they care about what happens in south america or central america, like the innocent killings from drug cartels. Do they not care because they are not muslim.

Because in my opinion that is racist.

Thoughts?

You raise an interesting point but I am pretty sure the majority of Muslims would give their sympathy to South America if it was for example attacked by nuclear weapons but things like drug cartels and such aren't as evocative to some people. So they do care to an extent about countries they have no relation with. Moreover a lot of Muslims live in developing countries so they have huge problems of their own to deal with let alone thinking about others. Lastly, I think we are all a bit guilty of not caring about things to some extent.

[Filestina]

(Original post by ummy123)
We do, we condemn what happened in 9/11, and the 7/7 bombings. But we also condemn the millions of ppl who have died in Afghanistan, and the millions all over the world because we believe that if u kill som1 it is as if u have killed the whole of humanity !!!!!!!! snm ! islam <3

Who still actually believes Bin Laden was behind
9/11?
LOOOL

[SpongebobSquarepan]

(Original post by Adna)
Who still actually believes Bin Laden was behind
9/11?
LOOOL

Normal citizens that haven't been brainwashed by misleading propaganda.

[Filestina]

(Original post by SpongebobSquarepan)
Normal citizens that haven't been brainwashed by misleading propaganda.

Or more like normal citizens who don't realize their government lieing to them everyday.


https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it
Its worth having a read I think
And no, this wasn't written by a muslim as far as I know.