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    (Original post by Steevee)
    So you mean to say, he did allow it for a time? And then, at a later date, revoked that.
    More like it was something the Arabs already did before the Islamic era, and then it was prohibited. It's the same thing with alcohol.
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    (Original post by ScholarsInk)
    More like it was something the Arabs already did before the Islamic era, and then it was prohibited. It's the same thing with alcohol.
    Something which Mohammed allowed for a while, almost like he was letting it carry on until he thought he might have enough influence to say no and be listened to? Strange no? Almost like he was just a man :holmes:
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Something which Mohammed allowed for a while, almost like he was letting it carry on until he thought he might have enough influence to say no and be listened to? Strange no? Almost like he was just a man :holmes:
    That doesn't invalidate a religious reading of that either, though. A person cannot enact anything without the influence to see it done. Indeed attempting to do so would have the opposite effect of antagonising and increasing the problem at hand.

    If you were expecting some indignant response, I'm sorry to disappoint.
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    (Original post by ScholarsInk)
    That doesn't invalidate a religious reading of that either, though. A person cannot enact anything without the influence to see it done. Indeed attempting to do so would have the opposite effect of antagonising and increasing the problem at hand.

    If you were expecting some indignant response, I'm sorry to disappoint.
    Perhaps you miss the point. Mohammed gives the practice his blessing, he gives it Allah's seal of approval. He could have abstained from comment on the issue, but he does not. It is only later that he stops the practice, a direct reversal of the line he supposedly recieved from his God. That is the odd part. Not his action, but the word that he recieves from Allah changes.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Perhaps you miss the point. Mohammed gives the practice his blessing, he gives it Allah's seal of approval. He could have abstained from comment on the issue, but he does not. It is only later that he stops the practice, a direct reversal of the line he supposedly recieved from his God. That is the odd part. Not his action, but the word that he recieves from Allah changes.
    Letting something go on, which is what 'rukhsa' means, and giving a practice approval are rather different things.

    For instance, with alcohol there was a verse about not drinking in excess and then one about not drinking at all.

    As for the statements and the like throughout the thread; I've not read through them all but generally speaking they would be Shi'ite sources which are rather dubious by most historical analysis.
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    (Original post by ScholarsInk)
    Letting something go on, which is what 'rukhsa' means, and giving a practice approval are rather different things.

    For instance, with alcohol there was a verse about not drinking in excess and then one about not drinking at all.

    As for the statements and the like throughout the thread; I've not read through them all but generally speaking they would be Shi'ite sources which are rather dubious by most historical analysis.
    I'd generally say the mouthpeice of God stopping men from doing one thing, and instead telling them to do another, is giving that thing God's approval. Certainly he seemed to think marrying a women with no intent to have a child was prefferable to having a hand shandy, which is rather odd in itself.

    Oh, and actually the majority come from Bukhari.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    I'd generally say the mouthpeice of God stopping men from doing one thing, and instead telling them to do another, is giving that thing God's approval. Certainly he seemed to think marrying a women with no intent to have a child was prefferable to having a hand shandy, which is rather odd in itself.

    Oh, and actually the majority come from Bukhari.
    Telling people that they are allowed to do something, especially something they were already in the practice of doing, is still substantially different to introducing thing x and calling it 'God's way' so to say.
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    Shias are not considered Muslims instead of worshiping Allah, they worship human beings like Ali and other human beings that cannot be worships. Sunnis only worship Allah and believe that Allah is our only god and creator. So what whatever Shias do is not under the name of Islam. Don't mix Shias with Muslims.
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    (Original post by A level Az)
    Muta is prohibited as far as I know, it was then and it still is. You say that the prophet allowed it, but what is to be gained by such a thing? If we know 100% that Muhammad taught that marriage is between man and women and is supposed to be for the rest of your life (as expressed in the Quran) then why would he allow Muta marriages? I think it's a bit fishy.

    muta is practriced by muslims - there used to be a prozzie on tsr who had n knowledge of such a concept who stated when she saw muslim 'clients' here, they would say a prayer and make her recite some arabic - for the purposes of temporary marriage obviously, so they could have sex.
    so clearly muslim men beleive this practice to be islamic, or why would they bother doing it in the privacy of her bedroom?

    whetehr it is or isnt can be added to the massive pile of debate of things that are or are not islamic - cameras, the internet,smoking,coffee, muta etc etc
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    Using Shia sources lol?

    The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) said:

    “O people, I had permitted you Mutah before, [but now] whoever of you has any part in it currently must part with her, and do not take back anything which you may have given them, as Allah Exalted and Majestic has forbidden it until the day of resurrection.” [Muslim, Abu Dawood, Ibn Majah, Nasa`i, and Darimi]

    Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said:

    “The Messenger of Allah had forbidden Mutah on the day of Khaybar and had forbidden the eating of the meat of domestic camels.” [Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibn Majah, Nasa`i, Tahawy, Shafi’i, Bayhaqy, and Hazimy]

    Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said to a man who was engaging in Mutah:

    “You are a straying person, the Messenger of Allah has forbidden temporary marriage and the meat of domestic camels on the day of Khaybar.” [Muslim and Bayhaqy]

    A man called Rabee’ Bin Sabra said to Umar bin Abdul Aziz:

    “I testify that according to my father that it happened that the Messenger of Allah had forbidden it [Mutah] on the farewell pilgrimage.” [Abu Dawood and Imam Ahmad]

    According to Abu Huraira:

    The Messenger of Allah had forbidden or abolished temporary marriage, its marriage and its divorce, its waiting period, and its inheritance. [DarQutny, Ishaq Bin Rahwiya, and Ibn Habban]

    When Ali (رضّى الله عنه) was given the Caliphate, he thanked Allah Most High and praised Him and said:

    “O people, the Messenger of Allah had permitted Mutah three times then forbade it. I swear by Allah, ready to fulfil my oath, that if I find any person who engages in temporary marriage without having ratified this with a proper marriage, I will have him lashed 100 stripes unless he can bring two witnesses to prove that the Messenger had permitted it after forbidding it.” [Ibn Majah]

    Imam Muslim has narrated that according to Mohammad Bin Abdullah Bin Numayr who said:

    “My father had narrated to us according to Ubaidullah according to Ibn shahab according to Alhassan and Abdullah the sons of Mohammad bin Ali according to their father according to Ali that he heard Ibn Abbas being lenient towards temporary marriage, so he said, ‘wait Ibn Abbas, the Messenger of Allah had forbidden it on the day of Khaybar when he also prohibited the meat of domestic camels.’” [Sahih Muslim]

    Narrated Salama bin Al-Akwa:

    “In the year of Autas, Allah’s Messenger permitted a temporary marriage for three nights, but he prohibited it afterwards.” [Sahih Muslim]

    Narrated Ali (رضّى الله عنه):

    “Allah’s Messenger forbade the temporary marriage in the year of Khaybar.” [Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari]

    Narrated Ali (رضّى الله عنه):

    “At the battle of Khaybar, the Prophet forbade the temporary marriage (i.e Mutah) of women, and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.” [Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ahmad, An-Nasa’i, At-Termidhi and Ibn Majah have all collected it]

    It was narrated from Ali (رضّى الله عنه) that:

    The Messenger of Allah forbade Mutah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade Mutah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. [Narrated by Bukhari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.]

    It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhanithat his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allah who said:

    “O people, I used to allow you to engage in Mutah marriages, but now Allah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a Mutah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.” [Narrated by Muslim, 1406.]

    Sabrah bin Ma’ bad al-Jihani reported:

    “I went forth with the Prophet for the conquest of Mecca, and he allowed us Mutah with women. But we had not even left the city [yet] when it was prohibited by the Messenger of Allah.”

    (Original post by Steevee)
    Something which Mohammed allowed for a while, almost like he was letting it carry on until he thought he might have enough influence to say no and be listened to? Strange no? Almost like he was just a man :holmes:
    When the USA (And some countries in Europe) tried to ban alcohol immediatly, there existed a massive backlash entailing more crimes and bootlegging.


    This is very similar to wine, which was at first permissible in Islam, and it was only later in time that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) forbade it. The prohibitions against wine were expounded slowly over a period of time. In the beginning, drinking wine was permissible and many of the Sahabah did it. Then, the Quran declared that wine was harmful and bad. After some more time, the Quran forbade approaching prayer whilst drunk. After the people had become accustomed to this, it was only then that they were ready so that Allah and His Messenger (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) completely forbade wine.

    Why did the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) first allow wine and then later forbid it? This was only because Islam was revealed in stages, and the faith was going through a transitional period, with the Shariah being expounded during the life-span of the Prophet. If the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) had not banned wine in stages, and instead had he (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) simply banned wine immediately, it would have been very hard for the early Muslims who were accustomed to wine-drinking, which was a hobby of the pagan Arabs. Many of them were early converts and their faith was weak. They had an addiction to wine, and many of them would become apostates if wine was suddenly banned outright. So, the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) banned wine in gradual stages so that it was easier on the people.

    Likewise, Mutah was a hobby of the pagan Arabs. Hence, it was not forbidden in the beginning. This is because Islam was in a transitional stage. The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) initially allowed Mutah on a few occassions because there were many new converts to Islam who had weak faith. They were often in times of war away from their wives, in which their desires got the best of them since they were not accustomed to the chastity of Islam. In order to prevent the apostacy of these new converts over the issue of Mutah, the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) did not forbid Mutah immediately. (And these are the Hadith which the Shia quote to “prove” that Sunnis believe in the permissibility of Mutah.)

    Once the Muslims became stronger in faith, the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) categorically banned the practise of Mutah.
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    (Original post by seraj94)
    Shias are not considered Muslims instead of worshiping Allah, they worship human beings like Ali and other human beings that cannot be worships. Sunnis only worship Allah and believe that Allah is our only god and creator. So what whatever Shias do is not under the name of Islam. Don't mix Shias with Muslims.
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    (Original post by seraj94)
    Shias are not considered Muslims instead of worshiping Allah, they worship human beings like Ali and other human beings that cannot be worships. Sunnis only worship Allah and believe that Allah is our only god and creator. So what whatever Shias do is not under the name of Islam. Don't mix Shias with Muslims.
    Oh my days... Shias worship Allah in the same way Sunni Muslims do and other schools of thought. They worship the Prophet in the same way the Sunni Muslims do. The only difference (that I think you are concerned with) is that Sunni Muslims believe in following the companions of the Prophet whereas Shias believe in following the legacy and family of the Prophet, like he announced in the event of Ghadeer. How does this suddenly make one school of thought not part of the religion?? Shias believe that God is their only creator, like Sunnis. And also keep in mind that when you said "they worship human beings like Ali", that he was the Fourth Sunni Caliph as well and they widely respect him too. So please do not create conflict and discord within the religion which is clearly what you are attempting to do here.
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    (Original post by Perseveranze)
    Using Shia sources lol?

    The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) said:

    “O people, I had permitted you Mutah before, [but now] whoever of you has any part in it currently must part with her, and do not take back anything which you may have given them, as Allah Exalted and Majestic has forbidden it until the day of resurrection.” [Muslim, Abu Dawood, Ibn Majah, Nasa`i, and Darimi]

    Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said:

    “The Messenger of Allah had forbidden Mutah on the day of Khaybar and had forbidden the eating of the meat of domestic camels.” [Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizy, Ibn Majah, Nasa`i, Tahawy, Shafi’i, Bayhaqy, and Hazimy]

    Ali (رضّى الله عنه) said to a man who was engaging in Mutah:

    “You are a straying person, the Messenger of Allah has forbidden temporary marriage and the meat of domestic camels on the day of Khaybar.” [Muslim and Bayhaqy]

    A man called Rabee’ Bin Sabra said to Umar bin Abdul Aziz:

    “I testify that according to my father that it happened that the Messenger of Allah had forbidden it [Mutah] on the farewell pilgrimage.” [Abu Dawood and Imam Ahmad]

    According to Abu Huraira:

    The Messenger of Allah had forbidden or abolished temporary marriage, its marriage and its divorce, its waiting period, and its inheritance. [DarQutny, Ishaq Bin Rahwiya, and Ibn Habban]

    When Ali (رضّى الله عنه) was given the Caliphate, he thanked Allah Most High and praised Him and said:

    “O people, the Messenger of Allah had permitted Mutah three times then forbade it. I swear by Allah, ready to fulfil my oath, that if I find any person who engages in temporary marriage without having ratified this with a proper marriage, I will have him lashed 100 stripes unless he can bring two witnesses to prove that the Messenger had permitted it after forbidding it.” [Ibn Majah]

    Imam Muslim has narrated that according to Mohammad Bin Abdullah Bin Numayr who said:

    “My father had narrated to us according to Ubaidullah according to Ibn shahab according to Alhassan and Abdullah the sons of Mohammad bin Ali according to their father according to Ali that he heard Ibn Abbas being lenient towards temporary marriage, so he said, ‘wait Ibn Abbas, the Messenger of Allah had forbidden it on the day of Khaybar when he also prohibited the meat of domestic camels.’” [Sahih Muslim]

    Narrated Salama bin Al-Akwa:

    “In the year of Autas, Allah’s Messenger permitted a temporary marriage for three nights, but he prohibited it afterwards.” [Sahih Muslim]

    Narrated Ali (رضّى الله عنه):

    “Allah’s Messenger forbade the temporary marriage in the year of Khaybar.” [Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari]

    Narrated Ali (رضّى الله عنه):

    “At the battle of Khaybar, the Prophet forbade the temporary marriage (i.e Mutah) of women, and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.” [Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ahmad, An-Nasa’i, At-Termidhi and Ibn Majah have all collected it]

    It was narrated from Ali (رضّى الله عنه) that:

    The Messenger of Allah forbade Mutah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade Mutah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. [Narrated by Bukhari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.]

    It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhanithat his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allah who said:

    “O people, I used to allow you to engage in Mutah marriages, but now Allah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a Mutah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.” [Narrated by Muslim, 1406.]

    Sabrah bin Ma’ bad al-Jihani reported:

    “I went forth with the Prophet for the conquest of Mecca, and he allowed us Mutah with women. But we had not even left the city [yet] when it was prohibited by the Messenger of Allah.”



    When the USA (And some countries in Europe) tried to ban alcohol immediatly, there existed a massive backlash entailing more crimes and bootlegging.


    This is very similar to wine, which was at first permissible in Islam, and it was only later in time that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) forbade it. The prohibitions against wine were expounded slowly over a period of time. In the beginning, drinking wine was permissible and many of the Sahabah did it. Then, the Quran declared that wine was harmful and bad. After some more time, the Quran forbade approaching prayer whilst drunk. After the people had become accustomed to this, it was only then that they were ready so that Allah and His Messenger (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) completely forbade wine.

    Why did the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) first allow wine and then later forbid it? This was only because Islam was revealed in stages, and the faith was going through a transitional period, with the Shariah being expounded during the life-span of the Prophet. If the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) had not banned wine in stages, and instead had he (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) simply banned wine immediately, it would have been very hard for the early Muslims who were accustomed to wine-drinking, which was a hobby of the pagan Arabs. Many of them were early converts and their faith was weak. They had an addiction to wine, and many of them would become apostates if wine was suddenly banned outright. So, the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) banned wine in gradual stages so that it was easier on the people.

    Likewise, Mutah was a hobby of the pagan Arabs. Hence, it was not forbidden in the beginning. This is because Islam was in a transitional stage. The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) initially allowed Mutah on a few occassions because there were many new converts to Islam who had weak faith. They were often in times of war away from their wives, in which their desires got the best of them since they were not accustomed to the chastity of Islam. In order to prevent the apostacy of these new converts over the issue of Mutah, the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) did not forbid Mutah immediately. (And these are the Hadith which the Shia quote to “prove” that Sunnis believe in the permissibility of Mutah.)

    Once the Muslims became stronger in faith, the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) categorically banned the practise of Mutah.
    Well I don't think any in US office ever claimed to be the mouth peice of God though :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Well I don't think any in US office ever claimed to be the mouth peice of God though :rolleyes:
    Actually, especially in the days of manifest destiny, that did happen.

    Besides the point though.

    In a temporal role, one cannot expect anyone to follow and change lifestyle immediately. This is basic political theory.
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    Likewise, Mutah was a hobby of the pagan Arabs. Hence, it was not forbidden in the beginning. This is because Islam was in a transitional stage. The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) initially allowed Mutah on a few occassions because there were many new converts to Islam who had weak faith. They were often in times of war away from their wives, in which their desires got the best of them since they were not accustomed to the chastity of Islam. In order to prevent the apostacy of these new converts over the issue of Mutah, the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) did not forbid Mutah immediately. (And these are the Hadith which the Shia quote to “prove” that Sunnis believe in the permissibility of Mutah.)

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    Ah, so the practice of islam according to mohammed was exemplified by changing the rules of what is permissable to stop people apostating? Thanks for clarifying that grey area. Clearly then to mimic what mohammed did, you accept all new islamic converts should carry on drinking, eating pork and worshipping gods that arnt islamic, just in case they dont like the restrictions of being a muslim.
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    (Original post by ScholarsInk)
    Actually, especially in the days of manifest destiny, that did happen.

    Besides the point though.

    In a temporal role, one cannot expect anyone to follow and change lifestyle immediately. This is basic political theory.
    Which I would accept. Except of course, this man was claiming to be in direct link to God, bringing forth a timeless and irrefutable morality and religion.
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    (Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
    Ah, so the practice of islam according to mohammed was exemplified by changing the rules of what is permissable to stop people apostating? Thanks for clarifying that grey area. Clearly then to mimic what mohammed did, you accept all new islamic converts should carry on drinking, eating pork and worshipping gods that arnt islamic, just in case they dont like the restrictions of being a muslim.
    Actually if someone converts to Islam, then no actually expects them to stop drinking alcohol, smoking etc. the very next day.

    Islam is an easy religion, which doesn't burden others. They are expected to fight against the temptations and stop.
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    (Original post by Perseveranze)
    Actually if someone converts to Islam, then no actually expects them to stop drinking alcohol, smoking etc. the very next day.

    Islam is an easy religion, which doesn't burden others. They are expected to fight against the temptations and stop.


    yes , islam is a very easy religion, and noone gets lashed with whips or stoned for not obeying the islamic laws. In fact that has never happened.
    Nor does it call those that do not follow the rules as sinners.


    Additionally you are wrong about muta -

    Abu Dawood categorically wrote that mohammed quite clearly stated to his military parties when away from thier women they could take temporary wives for the purpose of having sex stating it was the best option for all - "should we castrate ourselves instead?" he said. obviously not, so he made the point that having muta for the purpose of settleing sexual desire was acceptable for muslims.
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