[Morgsie]

(Original post by KCosmo)
No worries!



Indeed I did read it, and I am speaking as someone who voted for the libs dems in the poll. But I do fear that others are not so conscientious in the way they decide who to vote for.

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[DebatingGreg]

(Original post by Morgsie)
You could always Vote Lib Dem

You are probably currently the favourites for my one mere vote, but I'll delay anything offical until another few days of debate...

[TopHat]

(Original post by Rakas21)
You became active the one week of the VoNC after having a new leader for around 2 months and being the sole party for around one. Yet even by your leaders own admission many of your MPs do not even turn out to vote, let alone participate in bill creation. It took me on the other hand 2-3 weeks to ratify a party constitution, replace MPs and get bills and motions flowing. Not good enough but i do thank you for finally making that apology as several of your MPs will not even acknowledge that, let alone learn from mistakes!

As pointed out by several other parties like the Libertarians, you're equally guilty of a "last minute surge" as we are. Nor do I notice turnout amongst your MPs being particularly high. Between the 20th of February and the 13th of March, we held equal activity rates to you. David only became Prime Minister on the 11th - so it took him just over a week to to turn things round. That's pretty skilful to me. Seems to me a rather large case of pot, kettle, black here. Are the TSR Conservative Party ever going to apologise for their inactivity?

That has not been updated yet, when it does it will show another two motions the week of the VoNC so you came second, Tories came first. I would add that regardless of position this was the only time when you actually came close to 'leading' the house despite having 14/50 of all MPs.

In that last week, we were busy discussing the Vote of No Confidence. It's just a little bit difficult to focus on governance when a party is engaging in obvious politicking to try and force you out for their own gain. In other words, a mere week after we switched our leader, we were equal in activity to you, and above that, were willing to put the electorate first. Your record doesn't look too good, does it?

Whilst we reafirmed our values as a party, we would never object to a bill solely because of the party proposing it and i find that comment to be rather crass and offensive. We voted down your salary cap bill for example because it was an invasion of liberty and quite frankly socialist. Your lurch even further left in the later half of the term was very concerning and even a contributory factor in the Lib Dems leaving you as i was told via PM (and no, i shall not name which MP).

Crass and offensive? Hardly. It's just true. Even the Libertarians have worked alongside us to produce joint motions. You've never made that offer. Also, please make your mind up. Were we "inactive", or were we "lurching to the left"? Surely we can't have been doing both at the same time. Either pick one excuse or the other, and stick with it. Additionally, I have the greatest respect for the Lib Dems, and I'm sure they don't want their private opinions to be aired in public without their say so.

The version that went to vote actually included many of your suggestions as Bun acknowledged in the first reading thread. Us Tories are more than happy to work with other parties.

And also quite happy to take all the credit, unashamedly submitting that bill as a purely Conservative one.

Name one?

Every single one of our bills this Parliament.

Complete and utter rubbish, the electoral gridlock was due to your extremist bills trying to take away liberty.

Ouch, snappy. Did I touch a nerve? Methinks he doth protest too much...

[TopHat]

(Original post by DebatingGreg)
You are probably currently the favourites for my one mere vote, but I'll delay anything offical until another few days of debate...

Not to deprive the Lib Dems of a voter, but we always like to reach out to new people. Is there anything you'd like to know about our party or policies?

[wizardtop]

(Original post by davidmarsh01)
Well everyone believes in only giving benefit to those who need it, that's a given. My question is how would you reform the system to make this happen?

thats a good question davidmarsh01
It would be a big undertaking by the liberal democrats to reform a system that has for decades been flawed in many places
The first thing would be making sure all those benefits cliaments where look at instead of every 5 years if you were on incapity benefit(excuse the spelling) which is being replaced by ESA(these claiments would be look at every 4 years)There would also be more stricter tests to test a individual entilement to disability benefits.I believe that there is no medical involved in ESA as such.We would make sure that a full physical exam was undertaken with every benefit claiment who had a physical disability or medical condition.
medical evidence would have to be submitted and communication between the relevant health agencies involved in a claiments case would be utilsed.
Obviously we do realise that with some medical conditions physical exam might not be appropriate but we would take this into consideration.

The claiment would need to score 15 or above to be entitled to disabiltey benefit.They would also need to fill in questionaire to ask them how their medical condition affected them,then we would also look into how long since they had a medical etc

obviously all the above is just about the testing phases we would introduce in the welfare and benefit system
we would also need the assistance and support of any successive government to re look at government legislation or acts which is to do with the welfare and benefits sytem
It would also involve a lot of manpower,and the appropriate adminstration to change a system that has for too long had many flaws.

[Morgsie]

Vote Lib Dem for Real Change

[wizardtop]

(Original post by DebatingGreg)
You are probably currently the favourites for my one mere vote, but I'll delay anything offical until another few days of debate...

please ask rather me,Thunder_Chunky or Morgsie about the liberal democrats polices and we do our very best to answer any questions you have.

[Birchington]

The mass PM is a great idea and will hopefully direct more voters here.

[JacobW]

I voted Conservative out of duty, but I can't say I found the manifesto compelling.

[mevidek]

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[Morgsie]

I Voted Lib Dem for REAL CHANGE that will create a FAIRER FUTURE

[wizardtop]

(Original post by KCosmo)
No worries!



Indeed I did read it, and I am speaking as someone who voted for the libs dems in the poll. But I do fear that others are not so conscientious in the way they decide who to vote for.

We thank you for your continued support KCosmo,we have always believed in making policies that always take into consideration the electorate.

[Angry cucumber]

Out of interest do any of the parties actively support the ACTA movement?

Another couple of interests; what are the parties foreign policies regarding things like the pull out of Afghanistan and the threat from Iran.

Finally the parties opinion on defibrillators in schools as promoted by the Oliver King Foundation

http://www.theoliverkingfoundation.co.uk/index.html

Thank you for taking the time to read this

[thunder_chunky]

(Original post by Left Hand Drive)
Better than being a tories bitch.

I/we wouldn't know anything about that.

[wizardtop]

(Original post by TopHat)
EDIT: To the various parties saying we've not mentioned Welfare Reform, we think that it is a little difficult to mention every single subject when you're squeezed into 150 words. We think welfare reform is pretty important, we know that £1.2 bn is lost through welfare fraud each year, and that's an issue we want to solve. However, we can think of more important issues, like the tax avoidance which costs HMRC £15 bn each year - and that's the issue we chose to mention.

so by your own admission on welfare reform,you dont think its really that important TopHat? you dont belive that is in your partys list of priorities its because of certain successive governments that have allowed this welfare fraud to occur and it is also because the genuine welfare claiments who have genuine disability have been penalised because of those individuals who are milking our benefits and welfare system
Our party believes that this fraudlent in welfare needs to stop and if we were in government we would take the necessary steps to stop it instead of ignoring it like other governments have been

[Rakas21]

(Original post by TopHat)
As pointed out by several other parties like the Libertarians, you're equally guilty of a "last minute surge" as we are. Nor do I notice turnout amongst your MPs being particularly high. Between the 20th of February and the 13th of March, we held equal activity rates to you. David only became Prime Minister on the 11th - so it took him just over a week to to turn things round. That's pretty skilful to me. Seems to me a rather large case of pot, kettle, black here. Are the TSR Conservative Party ever going to apologise for their inactivity?

In that last week, we were busy discussing the Vote of No Confidence. It's just a little bit difficult to focus on governance when a party is engaging in obvious politicking to try and force you out for their own gain. In other words, a mere week after we switched our leader, we were equal in activity to you, and above that, were willing to put the electorate first. Your record doesn't look too good, does it?

Crass and offensive? Hardly. It's just true. Even the Libertarians have worked alongside us to produce joint motions. You've never made that offer. Also, please make your mind up. Were we "inactive", or were we "lurching to the left"? Surely we can't have been doing both at the same time. Either pick one excuse or the other, and stick with it. Additionally, I have the greatest respect for the Lib Dems, and I'm sure they don't want their private opinions to be aired in public without their say so.

And also quite happy to take all the credit, unashamedly submitting that bill as a purely Conservative one.

Every single one of our bills this Parliament.

Ouch, snappy. Did I touch a nerve? Methinks he doth protest too much...

Our surge was much longer lasting and stronger though i accept that for the first half of the term weak leadership meant that we had to readjust internally before the mantle of opposition to you.

To the electorate, we apologist for any shortcomings and these will not be repeated. I ask only that you bear in mind that we still passed motions and bill while governing party was too inept to do that.

I can assure that you i replaced inactive MPs within a week and they have been actively voting and creating bills (we have several completed that will go out instantly upon the reopening of parliament), you on the other hand had a shocking turnout on perhaps your most important bill, the salary cap bill

Where do you get the idea that you were equal, as shown below from Feb 20th we were the most active party bar the 1 week you drew level. You replaced leaders on the 11th Feb and yet it took until March 12th to even draw level despite more MPs and even then you got 1 joint motion passed.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1927669

The only thing that makes me nervous about Labour is their willingness to destroy enterprise, innovation and destroy liberty.

I cannot claim that our record means people should flock to the Tories, but a vote for Labour is a vote for continued failure.

[Matthew_Lowson]

Nearly 250 already. Great.

[JPKC]

(Original post by DebatingGreg)
I was swaying towards Labour, but the accusations of lack of activity still worry me

Labour is quite inactive, but so were most parties last term. I was a Labour member until I left last weekend, any chance I can waft you over my way?

I've been a member for two months and have contributed a lot to each debate in the House despite only having been a Labour MP for one week. I've authored two bills in the last two months, and have many more in the pipe.

(Btw, the Lib Dems have been worse than Labour in terms of activity, according to the Speaker's figures at least.)

[JPKC]

(Original post by tufc)
It's all well and good saying you would means-test benefits 'properly and efficiently', but how would you do it?

That's a bit like saying one of your policies is to solve the problem in Afghanistan.

Well, for one, there should be more stringent enforcement of the principle that only those who need welfare should get welfare - no cheats, no dependency etc. It should not be a full-time alternative to proper employment. There should be no child benefit, tax breaks, freebies etc. for well-to-do families. This is just a waste of money used by desperate parties to buy votes. The welfare system should primarily be in place to relieve poverty and support those in difficult circumstances.

Mine and UKIP's policies on Afghanistan are very similar.

[Maddog Jones]

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