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Reply 20
Original post by toronto353
If you missed the extension to my post:

Furthermore, if he gains a seat and wishes to rejoin Labour, would you let him considering that he said of tehfrance:


It's slightly different in a general election, JPKC will mostly lose us vote share with a similar standing manifesto. In the by-election, this effect was much less, and could infact win more seats for the party, so it isn't exactly the same thing.

Can I also ask why you claim that you claim that you are reforming the legal system when, about our bill to remove super injunctions altogether, a member of your party stated the following:

So your party clearly believes that a free media damages the country.


We believe in reforming the legal system, but that doesn't mean that we necessarily agree with every reformation.

Also, individuals do not constitute party policy. We're not going to all hold the same opinions just because we're in the same party. Also, I think you know quite well that we don't "oppose a free media". We need to strike a balance between the free media and individual protection.
Original post by davidmarsh01
It's slightly different in a general election, JPKC will mostly lose us vote share with a similar standing manifesto. In the by-election, this effect was much less, and could infact win more seats for the party, so it isn't exactly the same thing.


That isn't my question though. If he rejoins Labour and is an independent MP, do you think that is fair considering the line that he took?


We believe in reforming the legal system, but that doesn't mean that we necessarily agree with every reformation.

Also, individuals do not constitute party policy. We're not going to all hold the same opinions just because we're in the same party. Also, I think you know quite well that we don't "oppose a free media". We need to strike a balance between the free media and individual protection.


So you don't agree with a free media then? Only our policy has ensured a free media and yet you seem to oppose this.
Original post by jesusandtequila
Been the most active party Conservatives?

Hmmm....

To follow up 20 bills were submitted last Parliament:

Libertarian 5
Labour 3
Conservative 3
UKIP 2 (4) (of the 4: 2 were identical, and just a re-submission; whilst the third was an edit of that Bill after a failed vote)
Labour/Liberal Democrat (before coalition collapse) 2
thunder_chunky 1
MRLP 1
Socialist 1

So who's the most active Party? Libertarians or the party that submitted nothing from October - February?
Going to be an interesting ten days as the campaign really gets underway.

Just been fighting the in the SU elections at uni. And now the Election here gets going.
Reply 24
Original post by toronto353
That isn't my question though. If he rejoins Labour and is an independent MP, do you think that is fair considering the line that he took?


I pride myself on being leader of an open and welcoming party. If he wishes to rejoin (as long as his behaviour is fine during the election) then he is free to do so, no matter if he has made mistakes in the past or said some hypocritical things.

So you don't agree with a free media then? Only our policy has ensured a free media and yet you seem to oppose this.


I agree with a free media, I don't agree with and unhindered media. If someone's privacy needs protection then this option should be available. The system can be reformed, but I don't support an outright abolition.
Original post by jesusandtequila
To follow up 20 bills were submitted last Parliament:

Libertarian 5
Labour 3
Conservative 3
UKIP 2 (4) (of the 4: 2 were identical, and just a re-submission; whilst the third was an edit of that Bill after a failed vote)
Labour/Liberal Democrat (before coalition collapse) 2
thunder_chunky 1
MRLP 1
Socialist 1

So who's the most active Party? Libertarians or the party that submitted nothing from October - February?


Must take issue at the UKIP figures. The free media Bill was completely different from the Suppression Orders Bill. You've also missed out the fact that it was a UKIP motion that led to the by-election and the end of the impasse after the collapse of the Centre party. Your figures are interesting, but it's not the whole picture.
First question.


@Tories: Your manifesto seems very soundbitey to me. Can I have some actual policies that will ensure that the government puts the economic recovery and personal freedom at the heart of what you plan to do?
Reply 27
Original post by tehFrance
I am sure that is exactly how it went :wink:


That is exactly how it went.

Original post by toronto353
Will you be accepting him back into Labour then should he not gain a seat? Furthermore, if he gains a seat and wishes to rejoin Labour, would you let him considering that he said of tehfrance:


I have no plans to rejoin Labour, if elected I'd stick to my manifesto which - I don't know if you've read it - is quite different to that of Labour's. The problem I had with tehFrance rejoining the Cons had he been elected was that it was specifically stipulated that no one party could field two candidates in the by-election. It would have been dodgy. Speaking of dodgy, I hope UKIP refrain from lying about their opponents this time - by all means play nasty, just don't throw sand into the eyes of your rivals.
Original post by JPKC
That is exactly how it went.

Ignoring my original questions? do we have someone that likes to be selective to whom he answers so to give a better impression of his terrible image?
Original post by JPKC
The problem I had with tehFrance rejoining the Cons had he been elected was that it was specifically stipulated that no one party could field two candidates in the by-election. It would have been dodgy.

I only rejoined as my seat was still vacant, nothing in the rules against that and that I also followed the rules to the letter.
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Reply 29
Original post by jesusandtequila
To follow up 20 bills were submitted last Parliament:

Libertarian 5
Labour 3
Conservative 3
UKIP 2 (4) (of the 4: 2 were identical, and just a re-submission; whilst the third was an edit of that Bill after a failed vote)
Labour/Liberal Democrat (before coalition collapse) 2
thunder_chunky 1
MRLP 1
Socialist 1

So who's the most active Party? Libertarians or the party that submitted nothing from October - February?


I would like to remind EVERYONE that I was the only Government Minister to produce a Statement before the collapse of the Coalition which was well researched.
Original post by JPKC

I have no plans to rejoin Labour, if elected I'd stick to my manifesto which - I don't know if you've read it - is quite different to that of Labour's. The problem I had with tehFrance rejoining the Cons had he been elected was that it was specifically stipulated that no one party could field two candidates in the by-election. It would have been dodgy. Speaking of dodgy, I hope UKIP refrain from lying about their opponents this time - by all means play nasty, just don't throw sand into the eyes of your rivals.


First of all there was no lying and secondly I am glad that you will show the wider electorate exactly why they should not vote for you. Saves everyone else a job.

Just a quick question to start with. How would you fund your lavish plans for state spending? You have all these grand ideas, but how do you intend to actually fund them?
Original post by davidmarsh01
Last :colonhash:


Is that your electoral prediction for Labour?

AHAHAHAHAHA
Original post by CyclopsRock
Is that your electoral prediction for Labour?

AHAHAHAHAHA


PRSOM. :colonhash:
Original post by CyclopsRock
Is that your electoral prediction for Labour?

AHAHAHAHAHA

:rofl: so true, so true :colone:
Original post by toronto353
PRSOM. :colonhash:

Don't worry, I can and have :wink: :tongue:
@Libertarians

You've managed to show even less vision for the future than the Tories. I'm pretty big on personal freedom but I would like to ask that given your commitment to reducing taxation, don't you feel that tax revenue could become dangerously low to the point at which the country can seldom afford any decent level of public service?
Reply 35
The TSR Liberal Democrats Education Policy in detail:
SEN Reform
Childcare affordable
a Pupil Premium
LOWER Tuition Fees
Getting those from disadvantaged backgrounds into HE and Private Schools
Reply 36
In the interests of transparecy for the voters i thought that i would show them how many bills and motions have been passed by parliament this term for each party..

Motions..

Conservatives: 3
Liberal Democrats: 3
Libertarians: 1
Ukip: 0
Socialists: 0
Labour: 0

Bills..

Libertarians: 3
Conservatives: 1
Ukip: 1
Liberal Democrats: 0
Socialists: 0
Labour: 0

Joint motions were left out.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=145

While the Tories cannot claim mass amounts of success there is a clear pattern present in which the Socialists and Labour have wasted the votes they received from the electorate last term and the voters should quite rightfully be asking themselves whether they should be voting for failed parties again.
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Reply 37
I was the Only Government Minister before the Coalition collapsed to produce a Statement outlining Transport Policy.

Lib Dem's will lower Rail Fares to a rate below inflation.

We will Reform Network Rail to make it accountable and Transparent.

We Will Reopen Lines that were closed by Beeching and Castle back in the 1960s
We Will Build a High Speed Line to Scotland and look at further High Speed Lines
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Original post by Morgsie
I would like to remind EVERYONE that I was the only Government Minister to produce a Statement before the collapse of the Coalition which was well researched.

And a member of a party that did not submit a single Bill.
Reply 39
Original post by tehFrance
Ignoring my original questions? do we have someone that likes to be selective to whom he answers so to give a better impression of his terrible image?


No, I'm just getting to them.

Labour kicked you out then?


Resolutely not the case. I wanted to 'go rogue' because we had slight policy differences, the matter was decided politely and completely in good will last weekend.

What is Gender Equity? why do you wish to damage the city? and why is most of your manifesto rhetoric and nothing about your plans for the future?


Actually my manifesto is very policy heavy, unlike the Conservative's flowery garden of bullcrap. I've included eight clear and quotable policies, and would happily expand on them beyond the 250-word limit if you wish.

Gender equity is about ensuring all people are treated equally, regardless of what's between their thighs - opportunities should not be afforded to a select half of the population sheerly because they each own a penis, especially not when it comes to pay and promotions in business. Merit is what matters.

I'm not surprised that the Conservative Party cannot empathise with women.

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