[Sternumator]

These people may have gone to private school but it isnt all given to them, to get top jobs you do need good skills and to work hard. I'm not sure what you mean by top jobs but it is likely that people in top jobs left school 30 or 40 years ago and things have changed a lot since then.

[milesofsea]

Yeah, I'd much rather have that blonde from 'take me out' who sounded like she was on helium as PM.

I don't think you know what counts as 'upper class'. The majority of privately educated people are most certainly not upper class. I don't agree with class division but to call a statistic like this 'disgusting' is plain stupid.

[AK0001]

(Original post by atheistwithfaith)
The only way to prevent that is to ban private education. Seems pretty self-righteous to me to say that just because someone can afford better education - it's morally reprehensible to take advantage of that.

Plus, if you want us to live in a meritocracy where those with the best skills get the best jobs then you can't say that privately educated students are usurping jobs from state school students. If they are getting a better education then it stands to reason that they are going to be better educated -- compare private school exam results to state school and it is clear that a larger percentage of the students will leave school better qualified and educated.

State school students can still excel to the same level as any private school children but I think private schools help those less naturally intelligent/determined students pull themselves up by their boostraps. Students in the state school system find it much easier to sit on their hands and get by on the bare minimum (or not get by at all) but those who want to study hard or who have natural ability will always have the opportunity to succeed.

So in effect you are saying... "Hey look at all these good schools, I don't like schools doing well, so I'm gonna close them down, that way we all have an equally **** standard of education".

You a genius.

[LETSJaM]

(Original post by THECHOOSENONE)
I'm gob-smacked really. Just read a disgusting stat, that states that, 7% of people our privately educated in this country, but they make up 60% of the top jobs in this county ranging from, financial services, The law basically high end jobs.

Now I know the snobs will just tell me that they our well educated and deserve all they get, well sir in my opinion it shows just how much of a unfair divide exists between the upper classes and the ordinary folk.

I have no respect for the silver spooned that rub their privilege in peoples faces. I have all respect for the self made but not snobs. Anyway this stat highlights the considerable troubles that hurt society

You think these so called 'snobs' don't have to work their butts off to get those jobs?

They bloody well do!

<3 x

[Deep456]

You know you can build contacts as well.

For example, volunteer for your local MP/party.

[M'Ling]

(Original post by AK0001)
So in effect you are saying... "Hey look at all these good schools, I don't like schools doing well, so I'm gonna close them down, that way we all have an equally **** standard of education".

You a genius.

I think it was rather that Private schools are simply unfair; why should money dictate how well you do in school? Of course, the system will, most likely, never change, and the country will go on with this social fissure where Private-school leavers are more likely to carry a cane and State-school leavers more likely to carry a gun.

[AK0001]

(Original post by M'Ling)
I think it was rather that Private schools are simply unfair; why should money dictate how well you do in school? Of course, the system will, most likely, never change, and the country will go on with this social fissure where Private-school leavers are more likely to carry a cane and State-school leavers more likely to carry a gun.

You do realise that the State has a higher purchasing power than most parents that decide to send their children to private schools.

It was the State that decided to centralise education and remove local school boards. In doing so it has assumed monopolistic power over education in this country. The small man here is the private school, the equivalent of a local carpenter versus IKEA. But even with all this power that the government has acquired, it has failed to provide a satisfactory level of education, it does not follow then, to blame private schools for doing well.

And of course money is a factor. My old college has invested £40 million pounds into new buildings, and under the Labour administration state schools received a lot of money, but has the standard of education improved even with all this money going into it? I don't think so.

[ah.meh]

(Original post by M'Ling)
I think it was rather that Private schools are simply unfair; why should money dictate how well you do in school? Of course, the system will, most likely, never change, and the country will go on with this social fissure where Private-school leavers are more likely to carry a cane and State-school leavers more likely to carry a gun.

You are a fool if you think banning Private schools will result in everyone getting a equal education.

[M'Ling]

(Original post by ah.meh)
You are a fool if you think banning Private schools will result in everyone getting a equal education.

You are a fool if you think it should remain as it is. No need to be aggressive, mate. To be honest, I think the only thing a Private education brings is a warped sense of self-worth and importance in the world. I'm not sure spending £200,000 + on your child's education is worth it; real education comes from life-experience and meeting a multitude of people which, I think, is more prominent in state schools.

[AK0001]

(Original post by M'Ling)
You are a fool if you think it should remain as it is. No need to be aggressive, mate. To be honest, I think the only thing a Private education brings is a warped sense of self-worth and importance in the world. I'm not sure spending £200,000 + on your child's education is worth it; real education comes from life-experience and meeting a multitude of people which, I think, is more prominent in state schools.

That's fine, don't pay X fee for your child's education, but don't impose your beliefs onto other individuals.

[M'Ling]

(Original post by AK0001)
You do realise that the State has a higher purchasing power than most parents that decide to send their children to private schools.

It was the State that decided to centralise education and remove local school boards. In doing so it has assumed monopolistic power over education in this country. The small man here is the private school, the equivalent of a local carpenter versus IKEA. But even with all this power that the government has acquired, it has failed to provide a satisfactory level of education, it does not follow then, to blame private schools for doing well.

And of course money is a factor. My old college has invested £40 million pounds into new buildings, and under the Labour administration state schools received a lot of money, but has the standard of education improved even with all this money going into it? I don't think so.

I never blamed Private schools for doing well. In fact, between the lines of what I said, you could have been able to infer that I think they are fantastic places for learning. My point was that, since not everybody can go to one, they are simply a place for the rich to continue their dynasty of delusion. Of course £40 million isn't guaranteed to do anything - new buildings are just buildings. It's the people that need to change, and it's the people (teachers + connections) which make private schools so good. Of course they have fabulous facilities, but in the exam room all that counts is good teaching - the majority of which can surely be found in private schools. It follows, therefore, that private schools have an advantage in exams. Why? because mummy and daddy were rich enough to fork out £30,000 (in some cases) a year.

[TurboCretin]

If this weren't the case, private education would have died out long ago.

[M'Ling]

(Original post by AK0001)
That's fine, don't pay X fee for your child's education, but don't impose your beliefs onto other individuals.

I won't. It is my belief that private schools are morally wrong. Nobody's imposing, I'm just exercising my right to free speech on a topic I feel strongly about.

[TurboCretin]

(Original post by M'Ling)
You are a fool if you think it should remain as it is. No need to be aggressive, mate. To be honest, I think the only thing a Private education brings is a warped sense of self-worth and importance in the world. I'm not sure spending £200,000 + on your child's education is worth it; real education comes from life-experience and meeting a multitude of people which, I think, is more prominent in state schools.

Is this based on experience or conjecture?

[M'Ling]

(Original post by TurboCretin)
Is this based on experience or conjecture?

Experience.

[DorianGrayism]

(Original post by M'Ling)
You are a fool if you think it should remain as it is. No need to be aggressive, mate. To be honest, I think the only thing a Private education brings is a warped sense of self-worth and importance in the world. I'm not sure spending £200,000 + on your child's education is worth it; real education comes from life-experience and meeting a multitude of people which, I think, is more prominent in state schools.

and that is why Private School Children get 60% of the Top Jobs in the country.

[TurboCretin]

(Original post by M'Ling)
Experience.

Fair enough then, but from my experience I would have to disagree.

[M'Ling]

(Original post by TurboCretin)
Fair enough then, but from my experience I would have to disagree.

Of course, it would be biased to say everybody from private schools is like my experience. It's probably just the odd few who ruin the reputation of others.

[AK0001]

(Original post by M'Ling)
I never blamed Private schools for doing well. In fact, between the lines of what I said, you could have been able to infer that I think they are fantastic places for learning. My point was that, since not everybody can go to one, they are simply a place for the rich to continue their dynasty of delusion. Of course £40 million isn't guaranteed to do anything - new buildings are just buildings. It's the people that need to change, and it's the people (teachers + connections) which make private schools so good. Of course they have fabulous facilities, but in the exam room all that counts is good teaching - the majority of which can surely be found in private schools. It follows, therefore, that private schools have an advantage in exams. Why? because mummy and daddy were rich enough to fork out £30,000 (in some cases) a year.

You do realise that half of that £30k is spent on boarding, and you are right, only a minority of schools charge such high fees.

So you agree that that the State is responsible for a miss-allocation of resources? That it is squandering millions of pounds? That it recruits the weakest and most incompetent teachers?

If you read the statements of the principal of Westminster school, time and time again, he says that they take gambles when it comes to choosing teachers. That often most of their lessons are not based on the curriculum, that they seek to challenge their students, and foster an environment that applauds hard work and individualism. You know what my old principal put on my college's website "There's more to life at XYZ Sixth Form College than hard work..."

I agree with you in so far as to say that the cultural differences between the two is detrimental to society.

[ah.meh]

(Original post by M'Ling)
You are a fool if you think it should remain as it is. No need to be aggressive, mate. To be honest, I think the only thing a Private education brings is a warped sense of self-worth and importance in the world. I'm not sure spending £200,000 + on your child's education is worth it; real education comes from life-experience and meeting a multitude of people which, I think, is more prominent in state schools.

You just sound terribly bitter. you are free to have that opinion, but naturally I disagree.