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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!Are Welsh and English not already equal in Wales? I thought both were official languages?(Original post by joemullally)
Integration of both languages needs to occur, which at the moment means promoting Welsh as there are more English speakers, it's about getting Equal status first before moving up to a more international stage.
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!They're both official languages, but in my opinion (feel free to disagree) English is seen more as the language of business, a language you have opportunities in as it's more global etc etc.(Original post by Aek-94)
Are Welsh and English not already equal in Wales? I thought both were official languages?
So it's seen as advantageous to be better at English.
We need to provide more opportunities in Welsh so that you aren't forced as a Welsh person to have to use English to get ahead.
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!Officially yes, although you seldom see it being used at all in the private sector. In my idyllic world we'd all grow up speaking both equally, with preference on Welsh.(Original post by Aek-94)
Are Welsh and English not already equal in Wales? I thought both were official languages?
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!I agree with that totally.(Original post by joemullally)
They're both official languages, but in my opinion (feel free to disagree) English is seen more as the language of business, a language you have opportunities in as it's more global etc etc.
So it's seen as advantageous to be better at English.
We need to provide more opportunities in Welsh so that you aren't forced as a Welsh person to have to use English to get ahead.
It's about giving the Welsh people the choice.
I was just a bit confused on how you worded it.
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!My English isn't the best.(Original post by Aek-94)
I agree with that totally.
I was just a bit confused on how you worded it.
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!In an ideal world, the majority of the people in all four of the nations of the British Isles would use native language.(Original post by Gales)
Officially yes, although you seldom see it being used at all in the private sector. In my idyllic world we'd all grow up speaking both equally, with preference on Welsh.
The four nations being England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland of course (Northern Ireland and Cornwall aren't nations in my view).
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!I think maybe we could have a lot to learn from the Scandinavian countries and the Netherlands, whose populations are mostly bilingual, speaking English fluently as well as their native languages. Quite interesting actually, I might go and have a read into this now...
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!I think it's too late for Ireland and Scotland. What's the native language of Scotland anyway; Scots or Scottish Gaelic?(Original post by Aek-94)
In an ideal world, the majority of the people in all four of the nations of the British Isles would use native language.
The four nations being England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland of course (Northern Ireland and Cornwall aren't nations in my view).
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!Cornish as a language should be promoted in Cornwall, but I doubt Cornwall could become independent. And yes of course, I read somewhere that Plaid support the campaign for a Cornish Assembly by Mebyon Kernow (the Cornish nationalist party).(Original post by Gales)
I think it's too late for Ireland and Scotland. What's the native language of Scotland anyway; Scots or Scottish Gaelic?
Also - I wouldn't say that about Cornwall, it annoys quite a few Welsh nationalists due to the linguistic connection between Welsh and Cornish (although I'm personally indifferent).
Also as there's some bilingual signs in Scotland with both English and Scottish Gaelic, I'd presume Scottish Gaelic? -
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!Hahaha, well, here I am.
I don't honestly know what joining a party in the MHOC would involve, but I guess I'm willing to give it a go. Just don't be surprised if I spend weeks away at a time. My activity on TSR is usually very sporadic.
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!Yeah the Cornish have a language and a flag, although I don't see them as a nation.(Original post by Gales)
I think it's too late for Ireland and Scotland. What's the native language of Scotland anyway; Scots or Scottish Gaelic?
Also - I wouldn't say that about Cornwall, it annoys quite a few Welsh nationalists due to the linguistic connection between Welsh and Cornish (although I'm personally indifferent).
Probably Scots Gaelic tbh, wasn't it more widely used?
It depends on the region tbf with the languages of other nations from what I know. It'd be a big job for a revival though.
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!(Original post by joemullally)
All exam boards will be merged into one?
WJEC is the only exam board that didn't make a massive screw up last year, how would we sort out the English boards incompetence?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-16082239 -
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!You can see the lingual connection right there though.(Original post by Aek-94)
Cornish as a language should be promoted in Cornwall, but I doubt Cornwall could become independent. And yes of course, I read somewhere that Plaid support the campaign for a Cornish Assembly by Mebyon Kernow (the Cornish nationalist party).
Also as there's some bilingual signs in Scotland with both English and Scottish Gaelic, I'd presume Scottish Gaelic?
Mebyon Kernow
Meibion Cernyw
Sons of Cornwall.
I think devolution of power shouldn't be restricted to nation blocks but eventually become more devolved than that, that's my personal opinion anyway. -
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!I'd prefer Plaid, as it relates specifically to Wales, rather than the other independentist parties.(Original post by joemullally)
Yeah the Cornish have a language and a flag, although I don't see them as a nation.
Probably Scots Gaelic tbh, wasn't it more widely used?
It depends on the region tbf with the languages of other nations from what I know. It'd be a big job for a revival though.
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!Aye, Scots Gaelic will probably never achieve revival outside of the Highlands now. There is a very different language situation there, quite incomparable to Wales really. The Irish situation is more similar, but Irish seems to be going the way of the dodo pretty quickly. It would be terribly sad for any of the current living celtic languages to die.(Original post by Gales)
I think it's too late for Ireland and Scotland. What's the native language of Scotland anyway; Scots or Scottish Gaelic?
Also - I wouldn't say that about Cornwall, it annoys quite a few Welsh nationalists due to the linguistic connection between Welsh and Cornish (although I'm personally indifferent).
Cornwall is a funny one. Personally, I support their claims of nationhood and I'd like to see devolution there. However a lot of people seem to forget that the Cornish language has actually been dead since the 1800s. The "new" Cornish language is revived, same as Manx - though Manx was revived pretty quickly after its death. -
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!However getting the support seems to be the issue, we're just that little bit short at the moment.(Original post by Gales)
I'd prefer Plaid, as it relates specifically to Wales, rather than the other independentist parties. -
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!1)Miracle Day(Original post by joemullally)
However getting the support seems to be the issue, we're just that little bit short at the moment.
2)Aek-94
3)joemullaly (you)
4)EiffelFlowers
5)Idris Dragon
6)Dusty12
7)Gales (me)
8)Madders94
9)Curzon
10)Kaiser MacCleg
We have 10!
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Re: Plaid Cymru needs YOU!I agree with this.(Original post by joemullally)
I think devolution of power shouldn't be restricted to nation blocks but eventually become more devolved than that, that's my personal opinion anyway.
Even though I'm English, I absolute hate the idea of a 'devolved English Parliament', as it doesn't allow provincial England to escape from the rule of London and the Greater South East. I'd like to see regional devolution in England instead, i.e. to the West Country, the Midlands, the North etc. But anyway, back to Wales.
