[Joeyboy 12]

I think its fair to say that the government have really screwed up the NHS and it'll be gone in a couple of years.
So much for having one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
Whats going to happen next then?
We will just turn out like America where when you call an ambulance you have to give your social security number and credit card details?
And will the people that can't afford healthcare go to the 'county hospitals' and get a lower standard of care?

[gigascript]

i sure hope not! people would be in debt for the rest of their lives if it wasnt for the NHS... im scared now

[ish90an]

For the last time, America does not have a private healthcare system, its 2nd biggest slice of the budget is on its healthcare programs Medicare and Medicaid.

[Joeyboy 12]

(Original post by ish90an)
For the last time, America does not have a private healthcare system, its 2nd biggest slice of the budget is on its healthcare programs Medicare and Medicaid.

Still those people get poorer healthcare than the rest that can afford it!
Nearly 50m americans have practically no healthcare

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by ish90an)
For the last time, America does not have a private healthcare system, its 2nd biggest slice of the budget is on its healthcare programs Medicare and Medicaid.

It does have a private healthcare system.

[Maddog Jones]

(Original post by ish90an)
For the last time, America does not have a private healthcare system, its 2nd biggest slice of the budget is on its healthcare programs Medicare and Medicaid.

True - it spends twice as much as a percentage of GDP on it as we do.

However, it's still private. Money still goes to private companies from private citizens for healthcare, and it's still a choice.

How on earth the USA manages to take all the ****ty bits of a private system and make it cost loads I will never know.

Also, I don't know why certain parties in the UK want to emulate that system.

[chrisawhitmore]

(Original post by Joeyboy 12)
I think its fair to say that the government have really screwed up the NHS and it'll be gone in a couple of years.
So much for having one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
Whats going to happen next then?
We will just turn out like America where when you call an ambulance you have to give your social security number and credit card details?
And will the people that can't afford healthcare go to the 'county hospitals' and get a lower standard of care?

So, would you mind outlining the actual changes made in the health and social care bill?

[ish90an]

(Original post by Maddog Jones)
True - it spends twice as much as a percentage of GDP on it as we do.

However, it's still private. Money still goes to private companies from private citizens for healthcare, and it's still a choice.

How on earth the USA manages to take all the ****ty bits of a private system and make it cost loads I will never know.

Also, I don't know why certain parties in the UK want to emulate that system.

Actually Medicare and Medicaid are both government health insurance programmes that are funded by taxpayers. And as happens with most government programmes, they have been a complete disaster. No one wants to bring socialized health insurance(the UK has a form of it anyways, its called National Insurance)

[Maddog Jones]

(Original post by ish90an)
Actually Medicare and Medicaid are both government health insurance programmes that are funded by taxpayers. And as happens with most government programmes, they have been a complete disaster.

Yes, I know they're government programmes. I was talking about the rest of their system - sorry, the post was a bit botched.

Most government programmes aren't disasters. The fire service, police service, and NHS work pretty well.

[chrisawhitmore]

(Original post by Joeyboy 12)
I think its fair to say that the government have really screwed up the NHS and it'll be gone in a couple of years.
So much for having one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
Whats going to happen next then?
We will just turn out like America where when you call an ambulance you have to give your social security number and credit card details?
And will the people that can't afford healthcare go to the 'county hospitals' and get a lower standard of care?

For the sake of clarity, what changes has the health and social care bill actually made?

[Captain Haddock]

(Original post by ish90an)
Actually Medicare and Medicaid are both government health insurance programmes that are funded by taxpayers. And as happens with most government programmes, they have been a complete disaster. No one wants to bring socialized health insurance(the UK has a form of it anyways, its called National Insurance)

Medicare and Medicaid are both extremely restrictive. In some states a family of four would have be living in abject poverty before being eligible to maybe qualify for Medicaid. Everyone else must use the private system. And yes, it is private. Healthcare and insurance are provided by private bodies. The fact that so much government funding is poured into it only goes to show what a failure the private system is. It does not mean it's nationalised.

[prog2djent]

Medicare and medicaid have made healthcare more expensive, they benefit the drug companies and very large corporatist monopolies the state has chosen.

The US healthcare system is far from private, and far from a good example, stupid back-bench tories who think the US system is in anyway admirable are being disingenuous as they know its not a private system.

Singapore, Hong Kong, NZ, and Australia are far, far better examples of atleast a moderate market approach to healthcare, which is odd because have nationwide companies in largely private hands in small, homogenous countries is usually worse than having those things in larger countries.

And the OP is clearly one of these busybody clueless labourites (lots of labour voters are actually quite good at understanding a true private system, but likt the idiot tories who want a US system, labour have idiots who just oppose the tories full stop and support labour just because they think its their duty).

Do you even know what these reforms are OP?

And for all the US HC ills (no pun) "We will just turn out like America where when you call an ambulance you have to give your social security number and credit card details?" is rediculous, this does not happen, maybe if you read the guardian or talk to other clueless labourites then that's their perception of reality.

[Barghest]

Does this mean my parents will have to start paying for my antipsychotics? Sorry I'm 15 and a little confused here. I don't want my parents to have to do that for me.

[DJkG.1]

Seriously just privatize it already.

[gagaslilmonsteruk]

Don't worry, the EU wouldn't allow it to be too harsh on us. If Cameron takes it away, he can kiss goodbye to a second term in office. Miliband better be getting ready for 2015, because LABOUR WILL RETURN!

[meenu89]

(Original post by gigascript)
i sure hope not! people would be in debt for the rest of their lives if it wasnt for the NHS... im scared now

(Original post by Barghest)
Does this mean my parents will have to start paying for my antipsychotics? Sorry I'm 15 and a little confused here. I don't want my parents to have to do that for me.

OP is an idiot, ignore him.

[meenu89]

(Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk)
Don't worry, the EU wouldn't allow it to be too harsh on us. If Cameron takes it away, he can kiss goodbye to a second term in office. Miliband better be getting ready for 2015, because LABOUR WILL RETURN!

Cameron will not 'take it away'. Miliband has to get through 2012, 2013 and 2014 before he can even think about 2015.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk)
Don't worry, the EU wouldn't allow it to be too harsh on us. If Cameron takes it away, he can kiss goodbye to a second term in office. Miliband better be getting ready for 2015, because LABOUR WILL RETURN!

Labour will not get in 2015. If scotland gets independence, and they have 3/4 years of support to rally up, and they are growing very quick and have around 35% public support I THINK in polls on average, and got 45% in the Scottish parliment, no party has ever gotten that high accross the UK in years. Anyway, if the SNP did win, Labour would be finished, England is a tory country, and has been since thatcher, wales is obv labour, and some parts of the North and London are labour strongholds, though the North, since the 90's has moved more and more tory, even most of the ex miners that worked at the same pit as my grandad are tory voters, the stereotypes aren't true about the north.

Anyway, erm. Labour, even with scotland on board, will not win 2015, the economy will probably be at 2005 standards. We will be out of most of the Middle east, gay marriage will be legal, and cannabis decriminalised. Don't forget aswell, many dis-illusioned with new-labour have moved to the greens, many unionist and old labour types have moved to socialist parties, and other old labour types have moved to the BNP and UKIP (aswell as dis-illusioned tory's moving to UKIP) Unless there is a catastrophy, labour won't be in for another decade.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Barghest)
Does this mean my parents will have to start paying for my antipsychotics? Sorry I'm 15 and a little confused here. I don't want my parents to have to do that for me.

No, the media is over-hyping this, nobody will be paying 7 grand for an operation, nobody will have to pay nurses by the hour.

[gagaslilmonsteruk]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Labour will not get in 2015. If scotland gets independence, and they have 3/4 years of support to rally up, and they are growing very quick and have around 35% public support I THINK in polls on average, and got 45% in the Scottish parliment, no party has ever gotten that high accross the UK in years. Anyway, if the SNP did win, Labour would be finished, England is a tory country, and has been since thatcher, wales is obv labour, and some parts of the North and London are labour strongholds, though the North, since the 90's has moved more and more tory, even most of the ex miners that worked at the same pit as my grandad are tory voters, the stereotypes aren't true about the north.

Anyway, erm. Labour, even with scotland on board, will not win 2015, the economy will probably be at 2005 standards. We will be out of most of the Middle east, gay marriage will be legal, and cannabis decriminalised. Don't forget aswell, many dis-illusioned with new-labour have moved to the greens, many unionist and old labour types have moved to socialist parties, and other old labour types have moved to the BNP and UKIP (aswell as dis-illusioned tory's moving to UKIP) Unless there is a catastrophy, labour won't be in for another decade.

I see your point of view, however, I feel that youths are more likely to vote in the next election as a result of the controversy of the 2010 Student Cuts, and how the government had dealt with the situation. All I know is that I will never trust the words that come out of a Lib Dem's mouth again, as I would have voted for him, if I was a few months older at the last general election.