Tulisa sex tape "scandal" - why is sex seen as immoral?

...or that it was yet again another stupid girl filming herself doing something sexual, knowing that it could be leaked at some point, when she is meant to be a role model, and filming such things is actually becoming a problem.

Who cares about her being a role model? Anyone who actually needs a celebrity to be a role model for them needs to re-evaluate their life. She's a normal girl who does stupid things, but the way she's handled the situation is the problem.

Sadly, girls nowadays have no role models and bad parenting thus scum like Tulisa fill that hole.
But she is not normal. Filming yourself sucking dick is far from normal and I can't understand why people are acting like everyone has done it and it is perfectly healthy

Sadly, girls nowadays have no role models and bad parenting thus scum like Tulisa fill that hole.
But she is not normal. Filming yourself sucking dick is far from normal and I can't understand why people are acting like everyone has done it and it is perfectly healthy

Why is it unhealthy? Why does videotaping what you're doing make things abnormal? I personally don't understand what people get out of filming themselves, but it doesn't make them freaks.

I think you need to stop projecting your own morals onto others.

I find it funny how girls are all like doesn't she have any self respect/ slag/ etc

When they have slobbered all over a peen themselves. Probably with better teckers than Tulisa. Most likely being filmed too.

LEAVE IT YEAAAH

I am appauled that I am having to explain why it is unhealthy.
You need to simply ask yourself, why should you videotape it in the first place? Is the persons sex life that bad that they need an extra thrill, and lets not forget, the thrill from recording is the same as some kid doing drugs for the first time - because it is "naughty" with a thrill of being caught.
And I will project my morals onto others until I believe their morals are better, that is what morality is all about.

But why shouldn't you? Why should sex have a rule book? You sound horribly uptight if you think that anything out of the ordinary is somehow immoral and unnatural.

And please do continue to project them; we'll just continue to quietly remind you that you're wrong and perhaps need to spice up your sex life a little bit. I feel sorry for your partner if you believe that recording your intimate moments is abnormal. Are you the sort of person who needs to keep the lights off during sex?

Being filmed is a specific fetish that only a few people enjoy.

Seeing how some partners treat each other, I would beg to differ. Many couples are together simply for easy sex and so they have someone to be around. They may not like, nor respect each other, and I think that is that case with Tulisa seeing that the ex leaked this video.

...but it is abnormal...and from what you have said you need to get a dictionary and just check up on the definition of "abnormal".

...and I simply come back to saying that if you are not able to have a great time in the bedroom without having to get kinky and perverted, then you are not very good in the bedroom...or just kinky and perverted. Either way, neither is good.

My 51% was to shown that we known that at least 51% of people do not own one, ergo only a minority would own a strap-on making it abnormal. In reality the figure will be far higher, most likely about 99% of people will not own one.

I was comparing the causality to make you do such things, not the result of doing said actions which is where you made the mistake.

But who the hell did they ask. I have seen such things before and asked all of my friends and not one said anything positive, in fact, most were disgusted by the idea of fantasy rape.
The problem is that overpowering could simply imply a dominant men in the bedroom, rather than rape.
The only girl I knew who enjoy erotic literature was a very ugly and overweight egotistical bitch.

Again, you utterly missed the point of my comparison and have focused a some random reason as to why I used it.

Porn is trying to make sex look perfect? Haha, that has to be the most idiotic thing I have read.
Porn is about helping some basement dweller get off. The Kama Sutra is about perfect sex Do you think that slapping some womans tits, followed by having such rough sex that in real life, the woman would have left long ago is perfect sex?
This reinforces my idea that you have never had sex and are desperately preaching about something you have no experience in.

You have no tips do you because you have never had sex? AtM is not popular, it never has been nor will be, but everything you have said implies that it would be popular because it is risque.
And yet again, WHAT PORN ARE YOU WATCHING?! AtM is very rare in porn, so you must purposefully be finding really perverted and kinky porn, thus that shows that you are kinky etc.

I am being perfectly civil and am pointing out the most important part in this debate - your personal preference. I am not saying it means you should be locked behind bars, but it is clear that your preferences are very rare, and that you can not ever claim to share the same views as the majority.

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tbf, I agree with nearly all you have said in this thread. You also agree with coolkid which kind of means I agree with coolkid as well. But nonetheless, I applaud you for explaining your reasoning clearly and in a certain depth. Thank you

Total rubbish. You would not believe how many times different men have asked me to let them film us having sex or how many times I've been invited to take part in amateur pornos. Experimenting when you're young doesn't mean you have any specific fetishes. I've done things that you'd definitely consider abnormal and it doesn't make me immoral or a slag and I wouldn't consider myself to have any strange fetishes.

Rubbish again. Tulisa and her ex were both highly physically attractive individuals with fame and money on their side. You really think they had to be in a relationship to get a constant flow of decent sex whenever they felt like it?

What's happened can't really be seen as a reflection of the relationship because people change all the time and so do their feelings and their relationships with others. I think a lot of us at some point in our lives go through a time of having very strong feelings and maybe even love for somebody we are in a relationship with who later seems to turn into a total dick. It doesn't mean the relationship was any less real or valid.

It is in no way abnormal whatsoever. Thousands of people across the globe have done it. It causes no one any bodily harm and isn't abnormal at all. You might as well say you being gay is abnormal, or having sex with the lights on abnormal, or even something as ridiculous as having sex with clothes is abnormal, or making noises during sex is abnormal.

I could simply respond to this by saying you clearly have not known anyone long enough to understand that once in a while you have to spice things up by try something different, by helping your partner explore your sexuality. So I ask Jimbo, is having a threesome abnormal?

You are clutching at straws here. Anyone with common sense can infer from that number that at least every one in two couples have a strap on, that is quite a large "minority" you have got there.

And I suppose women having vibrators is abnormal as well then, despite the large number of women having them some point in their life. No, this isn't a minority thing given the number of thriving high street sex shops.



You made the mistake of thinking that the effect is irrelevant, which it isn't. Drugs are bad and are punishable by law, spicing things up in the bedroom isn't.



They asked women. And nearly women I have known have actually admitted to getting off to erotic literature, and said it is even hotter, if a guy reads it for them. Dominance and overpowering are different in bedroom, with only a slight overlap (you clearly don't know this, thus the sentiments virgin or boring in bed or VERY VERY inexperienced). See the different chapters on domination and rape?



go on to explain in details how child pornography compares to a sextape.



It is. I linked you to an article. Porn has reduced sex to just the "mechanics" to try and get everything perfect, including taking breaks and resuming sex at a later time to get the shots perfect. Why the overly-endowed penises? The barbie-doll fake breasted big lipped women? Read what I linked to, its written by a sex therapist.

Also that is the point I have been making all along. Sex in porn and sex in in real life are different whether the individuals are respect each other or not, I see now you have conceited your point by contradicting yourself.

Trying to pretend by showing me that I have somehow watch the wrong type of porn is moot tbh. Oddly enough it happens in nearly all anal sex oriented movies. There is even a wikipedia article on it.

And really, you compared sex in porn to sex outside of porn as being the same (even though the two individuals don't respect each other). I think a few people have pointed out to you that it is incorrect.



I have no tips because I can't give them. It is against the site rules. ATM isn't poplar in real sex outside but it very common in porn. As mentioned, I would go so far as to say 99% of anal sex videos have it.

And no, I not advocating ATM because of the thrill. Which is why I also said your drug comparison was moot. The latter to have health implications, filming doesn't cause any harm.



Yes, posting a picture of some weird looking man... quite civil.

And no, many men I have talked to have the same preferences. Many women have said at one point that they want to treated like a piece of meat.

In fact, I'm going to go on a limb here and say you are in fact in the minority doing nothing to spice up your sex life (if you have one). Have a 'fantasy of purity'. And very very suppressed sexual desire that you see sex as some kind of 7th heaven reward and act like a virgin christian fundamentalist. You clearly are in the minority.

But why shouldn't you? Why should sex have a rule book? You sound horribly uptight if you think that anything out of the ordinary is somehow immoral and unnatural.

And please do continue to project them; we'll just continue to quietly remind you that you're wrong and perhaps need to spice up your sex life a little bit. I feel sorry for your partner if you believe that recording your intimate moments is abnormal. Are you the sort of person who needs to keep the lights off during sex?

Total rubbish. You would not believe how many times different men have asked me to let them film us having sex or how many times I've been invited to take part in amateur pornos. Experimenting when you're young doesn't mean you have any specific fetishes. I've done things that you'd definitely consider abnormal and it doesn't make me immoral or a slag and I wouldn't consider myself to have any strange fetishes.

Rubbish again. Tulisa and her ex were both highly physically attractive individuals with fame and money on their side. You really think they had to be in a relationship to get a constant flow of decent sex whenever they felt like it?

What's happened can't really be seen as a reflection of the relationship because people change all the time and so do their feelings and their relationships with others. I think a lot of us at some point in our lives go through a time of having very strong feelings and maybe even love for somebody we are in a relationship with who later seems to turn into a total dick. It doesn't mean the relationship was any less real or valid.

If she was mature she should of had the foresight to see something like this may of happened.

How is filming such an act sophisticated? It's not. It's an intimate moment. To just record it makes it about viewing pleasure rather then the intimacy of the act. That is why it is immoral. It's sad to see you don't see such a thing as immoral, a sure sign that class & dignity is slipping away in the UK.

Oh please. She was young and made a mistake. Yes it was silly to allow him to film it, but she wasn't that well known then, and neither she nor anyone else knew her career was about to take off like it did.
It's sad that a decision she had made (most probably on a whim) has sparked so much outrage from people.
Oh, and how is it immoral? It would have been immoral if the tape would have been of her cheating on her boyfriend with someone else, but being filmed performing a sex act on her boyfriend was a wrong decision at most.
The guy's a douche. Tulisa managed to get him a recording contract when they were together to help his career and now he tries to ruin hers.

If you are good enough in the bedroom, you don't need to start munching on ass, filming yourself, or gagging her. Of course you don't just lie their like a dead fish either, but why do you think that it is either one extreme or the other? That it is nothing or the kinkiest perverted **** going?
How did you jump to that conclusion?

Erm, you are just wrong. Being filmed whilst having sex is a fetish only few people enjoy, hence why very few people do it. How about you get out of the council estate and find normal men with standards who don't want to film their gf so they can brag to their friends about it.
And yes, doing very abnormal things for the pursuit of pleasure is immoral.

Tulisa is not highly physically attractive, so stop with the bull****. Seeing that Tulisa was caught at the airport with a dildo, then it is clear that she can't get a man whenever she wants.

What happened IS a reflection of the relationship. The guy obvious did not give a **** about her as he would never have leaked it. If the had simply grown apart, then he would have still respected her dignity and not released it. To leak such a video is only done for callous reasons.
And no, many people do not date *******s and stay in a relationship based on desperation and denial. Only the insecure and desperate do that.

Who degrades themselves by allowing someone to make a porn of them? Guys do it for a trophy because, believe it or not, we have memories so it's not for nostalgia, but for bragging rights.
Who is desperate enough to just go along with anything their bf wants, even at the cost of their dignity? It shows how trashy society has become, and desperate, that people don't even question why they are doing something.