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    (Original post by Kalb)
    because women in islam have no rights, and their exmple was a peadophile.
    Gives examples of some rights that women don't have in Islam.
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    (Original post by Luxray)
    Its more to do with the subculture they belong to which interprets Islam in not a very good way, coupled with probably their social backgrounds (e.g. low income, low education) and the fact they are scum.
    I don't think so. Bangladeshis have almost identical upbringings to these people. The difference is, Pakistanis live in northern working class towns where they form into gangs and because of family breakdown, social problems etc. there's an abundance of young girls who've run away from home and are prone to getting into cars with strange men. I know guys who live in these areas and they say it's not uncommon for 14 year old girls to have "boyfriends" ten years older than them. I live in South London and the same thing happens with girls in year 8 having sexual relationships with an entire gang of men who are ten years older than them and wait outside school for them. This article highlights the problem.
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    (Original post by fitzy.)
    Gives examples of some rights that women don't have in Islam.
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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    No, I don't want the link to an anti-Islamic website.

    I want you to post 3 examples from the Quran.
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    Prepare for the apologists to come out in force, with a few of the classic muslim/south asian excuses-

    Excuse 1# They arnt a 'real' muslim.
    Excuse 2# How do you even know they are muslim, or pakistani or even asian. They could all be white just with arabic names
    Excuse 3# Your wacist/fascist and have an agenda against muslims
    Excuse 4# What about all the white rapists, theres more of them
    Excuse 5# What about Catholic Priests, no one ever mentions their religion might be a cause of their crimes (yes they do, and funnily enough no catholic apologists come out crazily defending in a sickening way)
    Excuse #6 It can't have anything at all to do with Islam or backward culture, the religion is peaceful and so are muslims (we all know this is a joke)

    And so on...I could be here all day
    Here's Qur'anic verse:
    "The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment."
    [Surah Al-Noor - 24:2 - Pickthal translation]

    So... Why blame Islam even though when its same thing that disallows this?

    As for excuse #6, this is now invalid with Qur'anic quote mentioned above. It's people/Muslims who do this, not the Islam's fault.

    I realise this is more of cultural issue rather than religion issue because only South Asians (Possibly Middle east as well) Muslims do have this problem but not Africans or Western Muslims.
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    (Original post by harmony_01)
    Bye bye.
    No, I'm referring to posters who blame children who get raped, called them disgusting sluts and saying they are lying.

    All because they 'think' I'm saying something about the 'muslim' community. When I'm not, I dont even think its a muslim problem I think its a cultural one. Thick illiterate posters cant comprehend this though they just have the throw the usual insults and disgusting language across because they are angry, sad little people who just want us westerners to put up and shut up.
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    I don't think so. Bangladeshis have almost identical upbringings to these people. The difference is, Pakistanis live in northern working class towns where they form into gangs and because of family breakdown, social problems etc. there's an abundance of young girls who've run away from home and are prone to getting into cars with strange men. I know guys who live in these areas and they say it's not uncommon for 14 year old girls to have "boyfriends" ten years older than them. I live in South London and the same thing happens with girls in year 8 having sexual relationships with an entire gang of men who are ten years older than them and wait outside school for them. This article highlights the problem.
    Oh I remember vaguely reading that article a while back
    I agree there are huge social issues within these sort of cultures but the way you are making it out - it seems its a common thing? I would disagree there (maybe its because I dont live in a very asian area despite being asian myself) but I think its an uncommon problem because most pakistani girls I know date guys only 0 to 3 years older than themselves.
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    I knew we'd get lib-tards defending them with the usual, sheep-like mentality and the same arguments that they constantly parrot.

    Seriously, what will it take for the lib-tards to finally open their eyes and say "hey, you know what, there is a problem with dirty pakis raping underaged girls."
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    (Original post by Rtcw)
    Here's Qur'anic verse:

    [Surah Al-Noor - 24:2 - Pickthal translation]

    So... Why blame Islam even though when its same thing that disallows this?

    As for excuse #6, this is now invalid with Qur'anic quote mentioned above. It's people/Muslims who do this, not the Islam's fault.

    I realise this is more of cultural issue rather than religion issue because only South Asians (Possibly Middle east as well) Muslims do have this problem but not Africans or Western Muslims.
    I'm well aware of this however the original argument says 'muslim' in the OP. I dont even think its a muslim problem, as far as I'm aware in the way most muslims see islam women are meant to be treated with respect. It does say in Quran pretty much muslim men and women are both meant to be punished for adultery etc....yet its usually only the woman that gets punished for these things in the foreign countries.
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    (Original post by Luxray)
    Oh I remember vaguely reading that article a while back
    I agree there are huge social issues within these sort of cultures but the way you are making it out - it seems its a common thing? I would disagree there (maybe its because I dont live in a very asian area despite being asian myself) but I think its an uncommon problem because most pakistani girls I know date guys only 0 to 3 years older than themselves.
    It's extremely common in the area I live. Most of the black/mixed race girls who are 13/14 and from council estates will be living with their boyfriend who is at least 10 years older. Then when his friends come around (gang members) they will take it in turns to have sex with her. Presumably the "boyfriend" gets gang rep for this.
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    (Original post by Riderz)
    Trying to apportion any blame to a 13 year old for being raped is kinda low, no?
    If a man walked off a cliff, I would not blame gravity for killing him, but the stupidity of the man for walking off a cliff. These girls should not have been drinking with these men in the first place, what are their parents doing?

    'The men charged in connection with the inquiry are Anjum Dogar, 30, and his brother Akhtar, 31, both of Tawney Street, and Kamar Jamil, 26, of Aldrich Road.

    Zeshan Ahmed, 26, of Palmer Road, Mohammed Karrar, 37, of Cowley Road and Bassan Karrar, 32, of no fixed address, also appeared in court earlier.' - From the first article posted by the OP.

    If you are in the company of men like these, being given alcohol by them, then it must suggest something about the utter stupidity of the girls doing it. Every society has its fair share of scum, and these girls were socialising with these scum bags. Perhaps the culture of these men is a major cause of the rape, I do not know, but blaming an entire religion because several scum bags raped some girls is not the way to go. Why were they drinking at the age of 13 anyway?
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    (Original post by Kalb)
    so now we should be glad not ALL muslims are either rapist, suicide bomber, jihadi, etc etc. nice one.
    Nah, I think it is a problem with Pakistani culture in these places. Not with Muslims in general.

    All the Muslims I know are very peaceful and respectful people.
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    (Original post by BartholomewVarath)
    If a man walked off a cliff, I would not blame gravity for killing him, but the stupidity of the man for walking off a cliff. These girls should not have been drinking with these men in the first place, what are their parents doing?

    If you are in the company of men like these, being given alcohol by them, then it must suggest something about the utter stupidity of the girls doing it. Every society has its fair share of scum, and these girls were socialising with these scum bags. Perhaps the culture of these men is a major cause of the rape, I do not know, but blaming an entire religion because several scum bags raped some girls is not the way to go. Why were they drinking at the age of 13 anyway?
    If a man walked near a cliff then was pushed off, would you blame the man for walking close to the cliff or the man who pushed him?

    They are 13 years old for gods sake; young, impressionable, flattered by the attention and then drugged and raped. And yet you try and blame them in any way for it. Hmm, yeah. Good luck with that one.
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    (Original post by fitzy.)
    No, I don't want the link to an anti-Islamic website.

    I want you to post 3 examples from the Quran.
    4.15, 4.34, 4.176
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    Please shut up, you dont know what you are talking about. Your stupid, to be exact.

    I'm not lying at all, infact I could put you intouch with my friend who was with me. We had a conversation about it on facebook the other day, I could even send you that, but I wont because it wont convince you anyway, your just bigoted and like to spout rubbish about things you know nothing about
    Yeh a conversation with your friend will definitely prove rape beyond reasonable doubt. Seriously, what formal education do you hold?

    Clearly you're an uneducated cretin. Do you seriously think you're friend is impartial evidence? She has a biased agenda. I know you're really stupid, or possibly mentally deficient, but please, stop making false allegations of rape.

    If people are refusing to pay you for sex, then stop handing out such service

    And clearly it is you who is chatting rubbish about Islam, when in fact, you know nothing about it. You have made countless ignorant statements
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    (Original post by Cyanohydrin)
    Nah, I think it is a problem with Pakistani culture in these places. Not with Muslims in general.
    And how came pakistan about ? as muslims who wanted their own country,
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    No, I'm referring to posters who blame children who get raped, called them disgusting sluts and saying they are lying.

    All because they 'think' I'm saying something about the 'muslim' community. When I'm not, I dont even think its a muslim problem I think its a cultural one. Thick illiterate posters cant comprehend this though they just have the throw the usual insults and disgusting language across because they are angry, sad little people who just want us westerners to put up and shut up.
    I come from a Pakistani background. Parts of my (Punjabi) culture are misogynistic, not being allowed to wear the headscarf- too extreme, wives having to look after their mother-in-laws, being solely a housewife, being disreputable as a divorced woman etc. But nowhere, not once, even in my visit to Pakistan, did I find taking girls for sex, a cultural trait.


    Of course, there are social problems in Pakistan but nowhere to the extent Western media presuppose and slander. If anything, the fact that we legalise the use of pornography, can contribute evidence of helping to facilitate rape.
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    (Original post by Chloe xxx)
    'the racism is there, but its racism from people like you and from our authorities, the muslims have turned our socitiey into RACIST regimes: Because the muslims can do what they want, they can commit any crime they like, they can kill, rob and rape their hosts (who had welcomed them into their land), and nothing happens to them. The victims are Europeans, and it is people like you who try to intimidate the population, your desire is they keep their mouth shut, right? :-D How bad for you, that your racist system of intimidation is not working any more :-) People are starting to speak up and the truth comes out about the MULTI-CULTI Nightmare. “Multi-culti” is a Zionist codeword for the DESTRUCTION OF EUROPE. '

    That sums up pretty much how I feel.
    You appear to have a lot of hate for Muslims.
    And I mean a lot.
    I don't know what they've done to you, but I really pity you because for someone as young as you to hate as strongly as you do...well, **** must've happened.

    Every race/religion/culture commits horrific crimes.
    Instead of hating everyone and only seeing the bad in the world, I choose to focus on the good that comes from these people instead.
    It means I don't waste my time on forums bashing other cultures just to make myself feel better, despite the fact that what you're doing is achieving very little.

    I hope it does get better for you, though. For your sake.
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    Wondering why it always seems to be Asian men doing this? I mean if this was a so-called ''Muslim'' problem, then why don't (for instance) Somalian, Afghan and Turkish men do this? (there are significant populations of these communities)!
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    (Original post by PrismaticCore)
    You appear to have a lot of hate for Muslims.
    And I mean a lot.
    I don't know what they've done to you, but I really pity you because for someone as young as you to hate as strongly as you do...well, **** must've happened.

    Every race/religion/culture commits horrific crimes.
    Instead of hating everyone and only seeing the bad in the world, I choose to focus on the good that comes from these people instead.
    It means I don't waste my time on forums bashing other cultures just to make myself feel better, despite the fact that what you're doing is achieving very little.

    I hope it does get better for you, though. For your sake.
    I didnt write that, someone else did I posted that it mirrored my thoughts. I dont hate muslims at all, what a strange thing to say. I have my suspicions on some of the views on women, however I dont even think this 'sex gang' phenomena has anything to do with Islam. The perpetrators might be 'muslim', however thats irrelevant. The thread title has 'muslim' in it, when really it should say mirpuri pakistani.
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