[Kibalchich]

(Original post by chefdave)
The inward investment argument I took from the Harvard academic Niall Ferguson's book Empire, and you learnt history where?

No wonder! lol

[Gridiron-Gangster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08

Nick Griffin listens to this during his workout every morning hehe!

[FDR]

(Original post by chefdave)
Preserving British culture in Britain in no ways threatens your global village.

Go and knock on the doors of Saudi Arabia with your global citizen pap and see how far you get.

What is British culture?

It can't be preserved if we don't know what it is. We should preserve our laws, and our rights, I agree with you on that, however I don't think we have a set, homogenous culture - people are different, and have different tastes and preferences, which makes it impossible to determine what a British culture is.

[chefdave]

(Original post by Ferdowsi)
Saudi Arabia is a contender for worst country on the planet award, why would you want to be like them?

Maybe you should the 'global' citizens such as FDR that question, they're the ones who'd like to import middle eastern culture and practices into the UK the sake of global harmony.

I don't want to be like them, in any way at all.

[Craig_D]

(Original post by MaceyThe)
The truth is that we are more "native" than the Maori people of New Zealand, and with modern genetic testing, it has been established that FOR MOST WHITE ENGLISH PEOPLE IN THE UK TODAY, THEIR ANCESTORS ARRIVED IN BRITAIN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

For anyone interested in the facts:

DNA studies should so far be taken with a pinch of salt. The vast majority have been made by comparing modern day populations with modern day populations in other countries (in other words, comparing modern Britons to modern French, modern Germans), which proves nothing historically. This completely ignores the fact that the genetic make-up of modern Germany, France, Denmark and so on may also have changed in the intervening period. The results of these studies therefore show which modern countries are the closest relations, but not where they came from.

The only way of doing this is to conduct DNA studies on skeletal evidence from archaeological sites and contrast this with the modern populations - from that you can see how the populations have moved. Sadly for a long time it was thought that human remains that old were mostly too degraded to possibly find out anything about their genetics, but in the last few years a few new techniques have been pioneered which can reconstruct DNA from remains where it was not previously possible, but it is still very expensive. In a few years it looks like it will be possible to compare modern British people with the Romans, Iberians, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, Celts, Britons, Normans and so on, and we will really be able to see which culture contributed the most to the genetics of modern Britain. My guess would be people from the region which is modern Frisia and the Rhineland.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by chefdave)
Maybe you should the 'global' citizens such as FDR that question, they're the ones who'd like to import middle eastern culture and practices into the UK the sake of global harmony.

I don't want to be like them, in any way at all.

Ignorance truly is bliss.

[Craig_D]

(Original post by engrishdegree)
The lie spun by the left to excuse mass immigration and multiculturalism is that Britian, or more specifically England is an immigrant nation. However it is a fallacy to describe a nation that has had the same cultural and ethnic indentity, for well over 1000 years as an immigrant. Indeed in 731 AD the English monk Bede completed his great work:

"the Ecclesiastical History of the English people".

That is 1281 years ago! Bede wrote a history of the English people, over 1000 years ago. Now does that sound like something an immigrant would do? write a history of a people, that supposedly did not really exist. So people who identify themselves culturally and ethnically as English have existed for well over a millenium. Indeed geneticists contend that 80% of the people who live in Great Britain have the same genetic make up as the paleolithic hunter gatherers who arrived here 15,000 years ago.



On the 13th September 2007 the United Nations 'Declaration On The Rights Of Indigenous Peoples' was adopted by the UN General Assembly.

Of particular interest are the following solemn proclamations, that:


“Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right not to be subject to forced assimilation or destruction of their culture.” [Article 8(1)];

“Indigenous peoples and individuals have the right to belong to an indigenous community or nation, in accordance with the traditions and customs of the community or nation concerned … no discrimination of any kind may arise from the exercise of such a right” [Article 9];

“Indigenous peoples have the right to own, use, develop and control the lands, territories and resources that they possess by reason of traditional ownership or other traditional occupation or use, as well as those which they have otherwise acquired.” [Article 26(1)]

So shouldn't New Labour's policy of forced assimilation, mass immigration, multiculturalism and social engineering, have been illegal under international law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-adviser.html

I just thought I'd add to my previous posts, have you ever actually read the work of Bede?


I'll quote you some from it (on page 27 of my Oxford World's Classics edition):

Those who came over were of the three most powerful nations of Germany: Saxons, Angles, and Jutes. From the Jutes are descended the people of Kent, and of the Isle of Wight, and those also in the province of the West Saxons who are to this day called Jutes, seated opposite to the Isle of Wight. From the Saxons, that is, the country which is now called Old Saxony, came the East Saxons, the South Saxons, and the West Saxons. From the Angles, that is, the country which is called Anglia, and which is said, from that time, to remain desert to this day, between the provinces of the Jutes and the Saxons, are descended the East Angles, the Midland Angles, Mercians, all the race of the Northumbrians, that is, of those nations that dwell on the north side of the river Humber, and the other nations of the English. The two first commanders are said to have been Hengist and Horsa. Of whom Horsa, being afterwards slain in battle by the Britons, was buried in the eastern parts of Kent, where a monument, bearing his name, is still in existence. They were the sons of Victgilsus, whose father was Vecta, son of Woden; from whose stock the royal race of many provinces deduce their original. In a short time, swarms of the aforesaid nations came over into the island, and they began to increase so much, that they became terrible to the natives themselves who had invited them.

There you have it, Bede describes the English as being the descendants of immigrants.

Incidentally, Essex, Middlesex, Wessex and Sussex comes from East Saxons, Middle Saxons, West Saxons and South Saxons, as that was the area which they supposedly made their colony. Similarly, East Anglia from the East Angles.

[chefdave]

(Original post by FDR)
What is British culture?

It can't be preserved if we don't know what it is. We should preserve our laws, and our rights, I agree with you on that, however I don't think we have a set, homogenous culture - people are different, and have different tastes and preferences, which makes it impossible to determine what a British culture is.

I don't know, what is African culture, Chinese culture or Iranian culture? As soon as you attempt to define any of them you're committing that ultimate left-wing crime of sterotyping.

The lack of a perfectly homogenous national culture doesn't necessarily mean the British have forfeited their right to a safe and secure homeland, there are many countries -such as Belgium for example- that are a lot more culturally divided than us yet we wouldn't dream of using that as an excuse for flooding them with British immigrants.

[Maker]

(Original post by MaceyThe)
The truth is that we are more "native" than the Maori people of New Zealand, and with modern genetic testing, it has been established that FOR MOST WHITE ENGLISH PEOPLE IN THE UK TODAY, THEIR ANCESTORS ARRIVED IN BRITAIN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.

For anyone interested in the facts:

They must have put their beach towels on Britain first.

[navarre]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
England is a far better place due to multiculturalism. Imagine if we all we had to eat for the rest of our lives was black pudding and fish and chips? Bland as bland can be. Also we're a global and international community engaging in trade with all countries of the world and all the major corporations of the world have offices here. By isolating ourselves we'd lose out on that and be living in a crap hole I mean look at North Korea?

But what about the inevitable and near imposition of Sharia law, or the fact that whiteys are gonna become slaves to blacks, or we're gonna have to only eat curry or that Jews will actually be treated as human beings?

I'm not making this stuff up- people actually believe in that (well, thankfully, the last bit is becoming a reality).

[Drapetomanic]

(Original post by engrishdegree)
same genetic make up as the paleolithic hunter gatherers who arrived here 15,000 years ago.

A nation of clones, eh? Seems legit.

[NB_ide]

(Original post by FDR)
What is British culture?

It can't be preserved if we don't know what it is. We should preserve our laws, and our rights, I agree with you on that, however I don't think we have a set, homogenous culture - people are different, and have different tastes and preferences, which makes it impossible to determine what a British culture is.

Do you think any culture exists, in any other country? Do some nations or groups of people have a "culture"? Who? Most, or just a rare few countries?

Or, to put it another way, since obviously a recognisable British culture does exist and is seen by everyone else on the planet, and we're just being silly and demanding it be presented in writing or something (or else it dunt exist lul), are we able to define and formalise other countries cultures clearly enough for them to be recognised and possibly preserved? Or are they all too slippery a concept to deal with and should just be bulldozed out of the way by relentless globalisation?

[Psyk]

(Original post by chefdave)
I don't know, what is African culture, Chinese culture or Iranian culture? As soon as you attempt to define any of them you're committing that ultimate left-wing crime of sterotyping.

The lack of a perfectly homogenous national culture doesn't necessarily mean the British have forfeited their right to a safe and secure homeland, there are many countries -such as Belgium for example- that are a lot more culturally divided than us yet we wouldn't dream of using that as an excuse for flooding them with British immigrants.

I think it's easier to identify a culture when you're looking at it from the outside. It's hard for English people to identify English culture because it's just normal to us. We can't necessarily pick out which parts of our behaviour is part of the culture or just standard human behaviour. But when you look at how people in other countries live, especially when it's very different to how we live, it's quite easy to identify how they are different, and that's what we'd call their culture.

[chefdave]

(Original post by Psyk)
I think it's easier to identify a culture when you're looking at it from the outside. It's hard for English people to identify English culture because it's just normal to us. We can't necessarily pick out which parts of our behaviour is part of the culture or just standard human behaviour. But when you look at how people in other countries live, especially when it's very different to how we live, it's quite easy to identify how they are different, and that's what we'd call their culture.

Agreed, it's like claiming that you have no accent because your voice isn't noticeably different to those living around you. It's only when you travel abroad that your accent becomes obvious.

[SEHughes]

(Original post by engrishdegree)
Indeed geneticists contend that 80% of the people who live in Great Britain have the same genetic make up as the paleolithic hunter gatherers who arrived here 15,000 years ago.

Which geneticists? All of them? Where did you get your data?

[chefdave]

(Original post by SEHughes)
Which geneticists? All of them? Where did you get your data?

Who cares? What you're alluding to is that Brits have no right to their ancestral homeland because of what happened thousands of years ago, this is a crazy argument laden with double standards and unprovable assumptions.

Simple question, are the English, Irish, Scots and Welsh entitled to a country of their own, yes or no?

[SEHughes]

(Original post by chefdave)
Who cares? What you're alluding to is that Brits have no right to their ancestral homeland because of what happened thousands of years ago, this is a crazy argument laden with double standards and unprovable assumptions.

Simple question, are the English, Irish, Scots and Welsh entitled to a country of their own, yes or no?

Not my allusion at all, but the question is a red herring anyway.

Bit rich of you to throw the Celtic nations in there when they were historically the inhabitants of the whole country, and were duly displaced by the Romans and annexed by the English (that is, the Anglo-Saxon-Norman mix who were Catholic and spoke French in court). GIVE BRITAIN BACK TO THE BRYTHONS YOU ****ING INVADING SCUM!

[chefdave]

(Original post by SEHughes)
Not my allusion at all, but the question is a red herring anyway.

Bit rich of you to throw the Celtic nations in there when they were historically the inhabitants of the whole country, and were duly displaced by the Romans and annexed by the English (that is, the Anglo-Saxon-Norman mix who were Catholic and spoke French in court). GIVE BRITAIN BACK TO THE BRYTHONS YOU ****ING INVADING SCUM!

No, it was a perfectly reasonable question that you've so far refused to answer.

Do you believe that non-celtic white Brits have the right to call England/Britain their home? If not where would you deport us to?

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by chefdave)
No, it was a perfectly reasonable question that you've so far refused to answer.

Do you believe that non-celtic white Brits have the right to call England/Britain their home? If not where would you deport us to?

The Sun.

[SEHughes]

(Original post by chefdave)
No, it was a perfectly reasonable question that you've so far refused to answer.

Do you believe that non-celtic white Brits have the right to call England/Britain their home? If not where would you deport us to?

Back to Normandy and Denmark, obviously.

Seriously though, it's a red herring. The four constituent nations in the UK are under no threat from forced assimilation into a global Islamic theocracy or any other superculture. Frankly "British" culture has seen far more Americanisation than anything, but I don't see anyone bleating on about that.