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    (Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
    http://goldsea.com/Text/index.php?id=13313 from a cursory online search - khmer boxer and hapkido black belt dis-armed an armed robber in the usa.

    funny you want links to believe what has been explained to you and yet provide none to back up your clueless asertions. Like i said if you had spent time training martial arts instead of watching video clips, you may have picked up some actual worthwhile experince of subjects you try and get involved with here. There is no 'burden of proof', just burden on you to gain some credibility on subjects you clearly have no knowledge about.
    So many things to address here, firstly, a news article isn't really what I was after. I was really hoping to see something filmed. Secondly, kun khmer is a very legitimate martial art. Do I sound like I have a problem with muay thai. Hapkido isn't so bad either, I've trained with a hapkido guy and he has excellent kicks but that was pretty much all it was. The article doesn't actually provide any information as to what happened, other than the use of an armlock, and even then you have no idea how that came about. Finally, we were talking about knives, not guns.

    There's no burden of proof on me. I'm not trying to prove anything. It'd be like me telling you to disprove god, you can't do it, but that doesn't mean he exists.
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    (Original post by Dr. Bassman)
    So many things to address here, firstly, a news article isn't really what I was after. I was really hoping to see something filmed. Secondly, kun khmer is a very legitimate martial art. Do I sound like I have a problem with muay thai. Hapkido isn't so bad either, I've trained with a hapkido guy and he has excellent kicks but that was pretty much all it was. The article doesn't actually provide any information as to what happened, other than the use of an armlock, and even then you have no idea how that came about. Finally, we were talking about knives, not guns.

    There's no burden of proof on me. I'm not trying to prove anything. It'd be like me telling you to disprove god, you can't do it, but that doesn't mean he exists.
    So another u-turn for you is it lol. a minute ago it was "martial arts have no use against weapons" Now its , "uhh.. yeh but i wasnt talking about khmer or hapkido". You didnt even know what khmer, muay boran etc was in our previous conversation lol . Now you have proof of its practical use, but now its " it was a gun not a knife" Pretty pathetic tbh, even for a judo adoloscent. controlling a gun or a knife by wrist and elbow lock is the same principle by technique. Again its pointless me attempting to explain how martial arts techniques work to a lay person, i dont know why you are on this thread when you know so little about the topic. So im done here, my point is made
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    (Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
    So another u-turn for you is it lol. a minute ago it was "martial arts have no use against weapons" Now its , "uhh.. yeh but i wasnt talking about khmer or hapkido". You didnt even know what khmer, muay boran etc was in our previous conversation lol . Now you have proof of its practical use, but now its " it was a gun not a knife" Pretty pathetic tbh, even for a judo adoloscent. controlling a gun or a knife by wrist and elbow lock is the same principle by technique. Again its pointless me attempting to explain how martial arts techniques work to a lay person, i dont know why you are on this thread when you know so little about the topic. So im done here, my point is made
    Khmer is basically muay thai and hapkido takes a lot of influences from martial arts I believe in. I'm not rigid when it comes to what I think works. You instantly reject anything used in MMA, I don't instantly reject TMAs if they offer practical usage. Most just don't though, especially self-defence styles. And no, it's always been about knives for me, if I said weapons I didn't mean it. Knives are a different story entirely. Also, why all the ad hominem? There's no need to be aggressive, if you have a fair point people will take note of it, all the ad hominem just makes you seem insecure about what you're saying.
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    (Original post by Dr. Bassman)
    Khmer is basically muay thai and hapkido takes a lot of influences from martial arts I believe in. I'm not rigid when it comes to what I think works. You instantly reject anything used in MMA, I don't instantly reject TMAs if they offer practical usage. Most just don't though, especially self-defence styles. And no, it's always been about knives for me, if I said weapons I didn't mean it. Knives are a different story entirely. Also, why all the ad hominem? There's no need to be aggressive, if you have a fair point people will take note of it, all the ad hominem just makes you seem insecure about what you're saying.


    again no point spinning this again now that your original arguemnt just got blown up. mma is a nothing, it was a buzz word for tv companies to sell pay per view . I train martial arts , i have done for years and so know what i talk about, You havent and therefore dont. So youre in no position to give me advice on what works in martial arts and what doesnt, as has been offerred to you many times, go to a decent school and experience limitations you have in your mind of TMA's youll quickly learn how backward your thinking is, like any kiddy keyboard warrior . I havent ever tried to justify myself, i just correct inaccuracies when they come up, if you didnt post so much on this thread perhaps i wouldnt need to, dont confuse for aggression. Its you that always seems butthurt when theres any mention of combat sports like mma or judo. I dont reject them, (i have for example been watching judo at the olympics) i just take them for what they are and dont fall for the brainless tv hype.
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    (Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
    again no point spinning this again now that your original arguemnt just got blown up. mma is a nothing, it was a buzz word for tv companies to sell pay per view . I train martial arts , i have done for years and so know what i talk about, You havent and therefore dont. So youre in no position to give me advice on what works in martial arts and what doesnt, as has been offerred to you many times, go to a decent school and experience limitations you have in your mind of TMA's youll quickly learn how backward your thinking is, like any kiddy keyboard warrior . I havent ever tried to justify myself, i just correct inaccuracies when they come up, if you didnt post so much on this thread perhaps i wouldnt need to, dont confuse for aggression. Its you that always seems butthurt when theres any mention of combat sports like mma or judo. I dont reject them, (i have for example been watching judo at the olympics) i just take them for what they are and dont fall for the brainless tv hype.
    Wat. I have been training martial arts for years. See, this is the problem. You literally just say things that are totally untrue and expect people to believe them. It's just bizarre. You're trying to convince me that I don't actually have any martial arts experience and I think you genuinely believe that too X_X
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    (Original post by Dr. Bassman)
    Wat. I have been training martial arts for years. See, this is the problem. You literally just say things that are totally untrue and expect people to believe them. It's just bizarre. You're trying to convince me that I don't actually have any martial arts experience and I think you genuinely believe that too X_X
    not really, you claim to have trained judo. and done some kick boxing, which you claimed to be muay thai till i explained the difference to you. Barely qualifies you offer advice on anything.
    then theres the various statements you have tried to make that have been disproved including those today, which fits in witht he typical untrained adolescent that gets most of his info on martial arts from youtube. You not said anything else that makes me think otherwise. hence why i get bored of explaining basic concepts to you- someone that has trained would recognise the points ive been talking about form the start.
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    ffs is this argument still going on? Give it a rest
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    anybody being watching the judo latly, really glad we got silver in the womans!

    though i was watching today, and a lot of big people were doing judo, i dont know how they can do it at that size, it requires lots of endurance imo... they are still quite muscley though, but some were really big!
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    (Original post by TheJ0ker)
    ffs is this argument still going on? Give it a rest

    argument was over long time ago when dr bassmans argument got disproved, but as usual comes the straw clutching and face saving attempts. The Martial arts forum should be reserved for martial artists and those novices that wish to learn. Not wrestling donkeys that have never seen anything beyond youtubem they have their own thread after all. This thread was so much better from pages 1-25 when it seems there were other actual practicing martial artists here too.
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    (Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
    not really, you claim to have trained judo. and done some kick boxing, which you claimed to be muay thai till i explained the difference to you. Barely qualifies you offer advice on anything.
    then theres the various statements you have tried to make that have been disproved including those today, which fits in witht he typical untrained adolescent that gets most of his info on martial arts from youtube. You not said anything else that makes me think otherwise. hence why i get bored of explaining basic concepts to you- someone that has trained would recognise the points ive been talking about form the start.
    Done some kickboxing? I've had major hip surgery to be able to kickbox properly because I compete... and I have trained muay thai. You don't get to decide whether I have or not, it's fact. I just find it really weird, you're not just saying that I'm wrong, you're actually telling me that I haven't trained in certain martial arts... it's bizarre.
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    (Original post by Busby_Babe)
    Anyone catch the Judo yesterday? Sarah Menezes was awesome. Apparently the Brazilian Judo team have a full time BJJ coach, I think it really showed.
    I can't see how a BJJ coach would help at all when barely any groundwork happens now. In fact it seems like it'd be a detriment. I remember watching Menezes but I can't remember how she won her fights. Were they ground-related wins?

    (Original post by TheJ0ker)
    I watched a bit of the judo but it was pretty boring, the boxing is waaaaay better
    Judo only appears boring because of the level they're at. Everybody's afraid to attack in case they're countered.


    (Original post by Einheri)
    I'm not watching it live as I disagree with Judo being an Olympic sport and don't want to support it as such. I think the Olympics are bad for Judo (unnecessary and damaging rule changes, Olympic committee has too much power/influence over Judo even at the club level, over-emphasizing the sporting aspect, et cetera).
    I sort of agree here. Although they've killed many aspects of Judo I think it would kill the sport entirely if it was removed from the olympics.
    Many players I knew were suddenly crippled when they couldn't attack the legs anymore, but it's not enough to make me prefer a dead sport over this. Also if I recall correctly many of the Russian players I've fought loved to attack the legs and judging by the Russians results this year I'd say it hasn't effected them too much.
    Though it does seem that people only have 3 techniques; a tominage which hasn't worked once in all of the fights i've seen, a drop seonage (everybody's expecting it) and uchi mata. I'd prefer it if you could still do pick-ups or the latz (sp?).

    I haven't fought for a long time, but I have noticed there's not much ground-work. Did the rules change to keep it standing or something?
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    This thread is essentially one long argument. I wouldn't like to guess at how many people who would quite liked to have had a friendly chat about their specific interests have come in here, maybe posted once and received no reply, and probably not posted at all because the whole thread seems incredibly hostile. So much point scoring and ego and barely a post that actually helps or encourages anyone. What's the point?
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    (Original post by Arteta)
    I can't see how a BJJ coach would help at all when barely any groundwork happens now. In fact it seems like it'd be a detriment. I remember watching Menezes but I can't remember how she won her fights. Were they ground-related wins?



    Judo only appears boring because of the level they're at. Everybody's afraid to attack in case they're countered.



    I sort of agree here. Although they've killed many aspects of Judo I think it would kill the sport entirely if it was removed from the olympics.
    Many players I knew were suddenly crippled when they couldn't attack the legs anymore, but it's not enough to make me prefer a dead sport over this. Also if I recall correctly many of the Russian players I've fought loved to attack the legs and judging by the Russians results this year I'd say it hasn't effected them too much.
    Though it does seem that people only have 3 techniques; a tominage which hasn't worked once in all of the fights i've seen, a drop seonage (everybody's expecting it) and uchi mata. I'd prefer it if you could still do pick-ups or the latz (sp?).

    I haven't fought for a long time, but I have noticed there's not much ground-work. Did the rules change to keep it standing or something?
    they can attack the legs, but only to counter a 'leg attack' such as a foot sweep attempt.

    i suppose IOC want to keep a significant differenciation from the freestyle wrestling event. tbh ive quite enjoyed watching the judo, if anything to see 35 stone men wrestling each other, which outside sumo i didnt think actually happened.
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    Anyone think Edgar will get the title back? If he does, I dont wanna see Edgar/Bendo III lol. Bendo Vs Diaz!
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    (Original post by Arteta)
    Judo only appears boring because of the level they're at. Everybody's afraid to attack in case they're countered.
    A lot of matches seem to be grip fighting putting in some alleged "offense" then hoping the ref gives your opponents more shidos than you receive. It wasn't as bad as the greco-roman though so many rounds were decided by par-terre after a full 2 mins. of failing to get a more dominant position.

    (Original post by Dr Tenacious)
    Anyone think Edgar will get the title back? If he does, I dont wanna see Edgar/Bendo III lol. Bendo Vs Diaz!
    I can't believe people actually thought Edgar won that fight. I haven't really enjoyed the silliness going on at rematch-weight. However although i hope Ben wins I can't count Edgar out.
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    (Original post by LightningBlade)
    I can't believe people actually thought Edgar won that fight. I haven't really enjoyed the silliness going on at rematch-weight. However although i hope Ben wins I can't count Edgar out.
    Tbh I had Edgar winning 4-1 (last night), but then I saw the fight stats and I wasn't so sure lol. Melvin got KTFO!!!
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    Thought some might be interested in this. Judo and Jitsu techniques used by the Royal Marines but hey they're both sports and don't work in the real world.

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    (Original post by Busby_Babe)
    Thought some might be interested in this. Judo and Jitsu techniques used by the Royal Marines but hey they're both sports and don't work in the real world.

    you might be a little confused love, this is generic public-display self defense demonstration

    did you think hip tosses and arm bars were invented with the introduction of judo?
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    (Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
    you might be a little confused love, this is generic public-display self defense demonstration

    did you think hip tosses and arm bars were invented with the introduction of judo?
    Did you listen to the audio? He clearly used Judo and BJJ terminology. Why does it pain you so much that these martial arts are effective? And I'm not a woman but good job proving your an ignorant muppet by trying to sound condescending because you thought I was female.
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    (Original post by Busby_Babe)
    Did you listen to the audio? He clearly used Judo and BJJ terminology. Why does it pain you so much that these martial arts are effective? And I'm not a woman but good job proving your an ignorant muppet by trying to sound condescending because you thought I was female.

    who cares what terminology some demonstration intsructor used, judo terminology is not exactly ancient or unique, where do you think judo came from, evolved out of nothing? -i asked you if you genuinely think armbars and hip tosses were first invented by judo?

    my tone would have been the same regardless of your gender, it is determined by your apparant ignorance on this subject, and despite this ignorance, you continue to want to contribute worthless two-cents.

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