[Steevee]

(Original post by Rajie_)
Yoou have to take into consideration that SIKHS are treated as SECOND class citizens in Punjab (the majory Sikh land in india) ..The Massacre was government funded, therefore - these figures aren't fixed. Also, Many people who were killed and attacked throughout this massacre are missing, india doesn't have a proper recordds system anyway - it's mixed up. Believe me, It is 8,000 or even more. It was a MASS massacre

And none of this gets us anywhere closer to a reliable figure.

[Rajie_]

(Original post by Steevee)
And none of this gets us anywhere closer to a reliable figure.

There isn't going to be a reliable figuire, because - government don't want anything recorded of this. So theres a mix and match of everything.. is that a decent enough explanation???

[arnoob]

(Original post by Rajie_)

Please refrain from any ignorant behaviour - Remember, Sikhs contributed heavily to world war 1&2

I don't want to be rude or anything and I agree with you but are you saying people should agree with you and not disagree with Sikhs just because Sikhs contributed to world peace during World War 1 and 2 just like many other people from other faiths and countries?

[Steevee]

(Original post by Rajie_)
There isn't going to be a reliable figuire, because - government don't want anything recorded of this. So theres a mix and match of everything.. is that a decent enough explanation???

But surely there has been some sort of impartial investigiation into it? But I find it hard to believe the figure of 250,000 when the government one is only 8,000. 10,000 ; 20,0000 maybe even 30,000 I could believe without any real proof, but this claim of 250,000 with no proof, well, it's very difficult to swallow at face value.

[Rajie_]

(Original post by Steevee)
But surely there has been some sort of impartial investigiation into it? But I find it hard to believe the figure of 250,000 when the government one is only 8,000. 10,000 ; 20,0000 maybe even 30,000 I could believe without any real proof, but this claim of 250,000 with no proof, well, it's very difficult to swallow at face value.

There has been no investigation - sikhs make up 2% of india also, contribute to the vast majority of the indian army.
India - a country which hardly has no records of birth, death and also marriage. Crime can be negotiable.. what records, investigation would it have on a massacre? it's like the genocides in other counteries - accept majority are widely known, India has kept this mass murder of sikhs at bay for now.

[Rajie_]

(Original post by arnoob)
I don't want to be rude or anything and I agree with you but are you saying people should agree with you and not disagree with Sikhs just because Sikhs contributed to world peace during World War 1 and 2 just like many other people from other faiths and countries?

I'm stating that, People should cut out the ignorance of other faiths - Sikhs and many other faiths have contributed to a vast amount of armed forces across the world - we've done a hell of a lot for many different people.

even two of the Sikh guru's themselves gave their lives for people of other faiths - I just don't want no ignorance against Sikhs..

[arnoob]

(Original post by Rajie_)
I'm stating that, People should cut out the ignorance of other faiths - Sikhs and many other faiths have contributed to a vast amount of armed forces across the world - we've done a hell of a lot for many different people.

even two of the Sikh guru's themselves gave their lives for people of other faiths - I just don't want no ignorance against Sikhs..

Fair enough but remember that those foreigners of different faith did not fight for RELIGION, a lot of them had to fight as they were part of the Empire. There were a lot of volunteers but they didn't fight for religion, the first 2 world wars were not about fighting for religion. I don't think you should bring religion into this but actually say that a lot a lot of Indians and other foreigners fought for this country and should not be discriminated against . I am not saying that Sikhs or members of other religions should not be discriminated against...

[Rajie_]

Hold on, I'm speaking about Sikhs because this thread is based on justice for SIKHS.
They didn't fight for religion, but frankly speaking Sikhs made up most of the indian army & we've been discriminated against in india, we have NO human rights.

This is my arguement, i'm trying to stress this issue..

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Rajie_)
Hold on, I'm speaking about Sikhs because this thread is based on justice for SIKHS.
They didn't fight for religion, but frankly speaking Sikhs made up most of the indian army & we've been discriminated against in india, we have NO human rights.
This is my arguement, i'm trying to stress this issue..

im not sure but isnt the prime minister of india a sikh?

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
im not sure but isnt the prime minister of india a sikh?

Since you're Indian shouldn't you know?

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
Since you're Indian shouldn't you know?

who said i was indian?

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
who said i was indian?

Whenever a thread comes up about India you're always defending Indians and your name suggests Indian links. I know you're reluctant/ashamed to confirm this but it's pretty obvious you are Indian.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
Whenever a thread comes up about India you're always defending Indians and your name suggests Indian links. I know you're reluctant/ashamed to confirm this but it's pretty obvious you are Indian.

lol which threads are those then - id like to see them ?

Yes my name does suggest a indian link, chinese too i suppose. Didnt realise i was dealing with such an intellectual heavyweight here

[ThatPerson]

Killing a man who has killed others doesn't make killing right.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

-Mahatma Gandhi

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
lol which threads are those then - id like to see them ?

Yes my name does suggest a indian link, chinese too i suppose. Didnt realise i was dealing with such an intellectual heavyweight here

You do regularly defend India and judging by your diversion tactics (ad hominem in this case) I will assume I am right. Of course, if you weren't you'd simply deny it.

[f1mad]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
im not sure but isnt the prime minister of india a sikh?

Umm, yeah...

[arnoob]

(Original post by Rajie_)
Hold on, I'm speaking about Sikhs because this thread is based on justice for SIKHS.
They didn't fight for religion, but frankly speaking Sikhs made up most of the indian army & we've been discriminated against in india, we have NO human rights.

This is my arguement, i'm trying to stress this issue..

Give me figures on how Sikhs made up most of the Indian army ... By 1945 the British Indian Army had 2.5 million men I doubt most were Sikhs considering the fact that many soldiers came from what now is Pakistan, Burma, Nepal and Bangladesh. I think you would find that in India a lot of religions and people are discriminated against but that doesn't mean that every one of them does not have human rights.

[concubine]

(Original post by Rajie_)
Please refrain from any ignorant behaviour - Remember, Sikhs contributed heavily to world war 1&2

I don't know if anyone else noticed this but still.... Come on.


Regardless, I don't think he deserves the death sentence.

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by f1mad)


Umm, yeah...

It is obvious that Singh has no real power in India anyway, it is the corrupt old guard (who are Hindu/atheist) who rule behind the scenes. This is why Singh has to do Hindu rituals all the time and when Sikhs complain they'll get told "we gave you a Sikh Prime Minister, what more do you want?".

[f1mad]

(Original post by arnoob)
Give me figures on how Sikhs made up most of the Indian army ... By 1945 the British Indian Army had 2.5 million men I doubt most were Sikhs considering the fact that many soldiers came from what now is Pakistan, Burma, Nepal and Bangladesh. I think you would find that in India a lot of religions and people are discriminated against but that doesn't mean that every one of them does not have human rights.

Right. At face value, no the Sikhs didn't contribute the most.

But do it via equal proportions (the unbiased estimate), and it's a very different picture.

This subject was discussed on a profound level quite some months ago. But a certain someone decided to delete the very factual posts.