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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Well, everyone on the left 'recognises' this because they're more than happy to rewrite history in order salvage New Labour's economic reputation
    No-one on the left (except the idiots who regardless of the party's actual policies, will support Labour because their dad did or something like that) wants to defend the economic policy of a neoliberal party like NuLab. Whether they'd want to dispell the myth that NuLab and the Tories are fundamentally different is a different story.

    but anyone with more than two braincells to rub together realises that not even the state can go on spending indefinitely without having some negative impact on either the economy or the money supply.
    It not only can, it has to if the current world financial system is not to collapse. When Clinton and Major were running surpluses at times in the 1990s, the financial institutions were all panicking. Personally I'd love to see the financial system collapse, but obviously the state doesn't because it's controlled by those who live off it.

    For most states, 'paying off their debts' is not possible. The USA has been permanently in debt since the federal government was formed in 1791. The UK has been permanently in debt since the Bank of England was created in 1694. The financial system runs on state debt.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    For those that don't understand the term cultural marxism:

    (Original post by chefdave)
    Cultural Marxist is a term used to describe those who want to supplant the ideals of the Enlightenment; liberty, free trade, reason and atheism etc with Marxist restrictions that seek to control us from every conceivable angle. For example communists reject the concept of national borders but know that Western citizens won't go for it if they state their objectives bluntly, so instead they seek to wage a cultural war by manipulating the language and criminalsiing those that speak out on issues such as mass immigration, the public in turn learn to shut up just in case and the CM's slowly acheive their objectives by elimiting the opposition to national boundaries.
    Here's an idea - maybe quote some actual Cultural Marxists, such as Marcuse, Adorno, Gramsci, etc to show some connection between them and what you claim 'Cultural Marxism' is? I suspect there are quite a few who throw the term 'Cultural Marxism' around who don't even know who the people mentioned above are.

    It's just a tool devised by some on the right to ring-circle certain people who they happen to disagree with on some things.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    For those that don't understand the term cultural marxism:

    He is one well informed rocker!!! :cool:
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    For those that don't understand the term cultural marxism:

    what a cock
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    Great, another original Politics thread..
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    Thatcherism is an idea out of control. She had a 60% top tax rate. That would make most "thatcherites" feel sick today.
    Thatcher slashed taxes from 83% to 40%:rolleyes:
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Cultural Marxist is a term used to describe those who want to supplant the ideals of the Enlightenment; liberty, free trade, reason and atheism etc with Marxist restrictions that seek to control us from every conceivable angle. For example communists reject the concept of national borders but know that Western citizens won't go for it if they state their objectives bluntly, so instead they seek to wage a cultural war by manipulating the language and criminalsiing those that speak out on issues such as mass immigration, the public in turn learn to shut up just in case and the CM's slowly acheive their objectives by elimiting the opposition to national boundaries.
    Do you actually wanna go read some Frankfurt School academics and get back to us on this? It might make you sound a bit less ill-informed.
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    Ah... it's as I thought... BNP supporters don't realise that their party is economically left-of-centre...
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    Thatcherism is an idea out of control. She had a 60% top tax rate. That would make most "thatcherites" feel sick today. Whatever conservatives think thatcherism is, it's not. A commendable effort to stand up against cultural-marxism but she failed as we can see from the sheer dominance of these people in all three of the main political parties.

    Modern "thatcherites" like Cameron/Osborne are some of the worst offenders. These people are extreme liberals and cultural marxism fits with their idealogy much better then one-nation toryism. Whilst they are wrong to call themselves thatcherites (and you can bet they think of themselves as such) trying to use the term in the correct sense is doomed to failure.
    The top rate of tax, inherited from Labour, was 84% when she came to power, she immediately reduced it to 60% and later to 40%. If that's not Thatcherism then I don't know what is.

    I agree that there are very few proper Thatcherites left in the Conservatives, and there are none with any real power, you only have to look at their plans for a minimum price on alcohol and wonder just how did the socialists invade the Tory party?

    We need a real conservative alternative.
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    I don't think that's necessarily true, although I agree with aspects of Thatchers policies, ultimately is was the extent of her deregulation that led to the current day lack of restrictions on banks and finance that led to the financial crisis being as endemic as it was in the UK.

    Also, if one truly wishes to label themselves 'British' then they'll support the values of Britain being respect, tolerance and fairness which of course Thatchers discriminatory laws against an array of social groups didn't facilitate, actually leaving a much more unequal society when she left. It's the New Labour governments 'third way' approach in my opinion that struck the balance right in terms of both protecting and nurturing capitalism in a way that encompasses 'Britishness'
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    (Original post by j0hn)
    I don't think that's necessarily true, although I agree with aspects of Thatchers policies, ultimately is was the extent of her deregulation that led to the current day lack of restrictions on banks and finance that led to the financial crisis being as endemic as it was in the UK.

    Also, if one truly wishes to label themselves 'British' then they'll support the values of Britain being respect, tolerance and fairness which of course Thatchers discriminatory laws against an array of social groups didn't facilitate, actually leaving a much more unequal society when she left. It's the New Labour governments 'third way' approach in my opinion that struck the balance right in terms of both protecting and nurturing capitalism in a way that encompasses 'Britishness'
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    with Marxist restrictions that seek to control us from every conceivable angle. For example communists reject the concept of national borders
    Which are HUGELY restrictive of our right to move freely. National borders are used to control us to a magnificent extent yet you don't see the contradiction there.

    Also
    the ideals of the Enlightenment; liberty, free trade
    Free trade in, say, services means, in part, free movement of labour. I.e. open borders. Ofc that does not chime in with conservative claptrap, does it?
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    No-one on the left (except the idiots who regardless of the party's actual policies, will support Labour because their dad did or something like that) wants to defend the economic policy of a neoliberal party like NuLab. Whether they'd want to dispell the myth that NuLab and the Tories are fundamentally different is a different story.
    New Labour are "neoliberal" eh? Next you'll be telling me that it's all Thatcher's fault! I can understand those who say Labour moved to the right after dropping clause 4 but it's a tad disingenuous to associate them with the American right because you didn't identify with Tony Blair. New Labour are Cultural Marxists, they're not classic socialists, but this still makes them a party uniquivocally on the left.



    It not only can, it has to if the current world financial system is not to collapse. When Clinton and Major were running surpluses at times in the 1990s, the financial institutions were all panicking. Personally I'd love to see the financial system collapse, but obviously the state doesn't because it's controlled by those who live off it.

    For most states, 'paying off their debts' is not possible. The USA has been permanently in debt since the federal government was formed in 1791. The UK has been permanently in debt since the Bank of England was created in 1694. The financial system runs on state debt.

    Alan Greenspan in his autobiography explained that he was a little nervous at the prospect of no federal debt because the buying and selling of Treasury Bills is one of the main ways the Federal Reserve manipulates interest rates, but I don't remember anything in there about this alone leading to a collapse of the system.

    It was actually the abundance of debt that caused the crisis, reducing indebtedness is the cure. Cutting state debt will not crash the system, on a practical level it would leave us with the option of a £50bn tax cut or £50bn extra to spend on public services each and every year.
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    Do you actually wanna go read some Frankfurt School academics and get back to us on this? It might make you sound a bit less ill-informed.
    Can you explain what a Cultural Marxist is then without using the words "foam flecked rabid right-wing conspiracy"?
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Here's an idea - maybe quote some actual Cultural Marxists, such as Marcuse, Adorno, Gramsci, etc to show some connection between them and what you claim 'Cultural Marxism' is? I suspect there are quite a few who throw the term 'Cultural Marxism' around who don't even know who the people mentioned above are.

    It's just a tool devised by some on the right to ring-circle certain people who they happen to disagree with on some things.
    Denial of cultural Marxism is just a tool used by some people so they can perpetuate their denial of facts and justify this denial. It is a denial of the platform that highlights that people are making up facts and revising history to suit their political ends. For example that New Labour handled the state finances well because handling state finances has no relation to the way private finances work. Or blanket statements like "immigration is good for Britain".
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Can you explain what a Cultural Marxist is then without using the words "foam flecked rabid right-wing conspiracy"?
    Well, I would never use the term myself because it seems really horribly inaccurate but I'd assume it means modern thinkers inspired by either Gramsci or the early Frankfurt School like, say, Stuart Hall or Habermas, whose focus is on how domination is produced through consent to and involvement in ideological structures rather than purely through coercion.

    But yeah, actually, the way some people (like Anders Breivik, so you're in good company there) throw it around does make it sound like a right-wing conspiracy. Especially when they don't know the first thing about Critical Theory. Although, to be honest, I don't understand how people fail to understand how social structures like the modern family or heteronormativity or whatever are a) contingent and b) oppressive to some people so I really can't see where aforementioned rabid right-wingers are coming from anyway.
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    Well, I would never use the term myself because it seems really horribly inaccurate but I'd assume it means modern thinkers inspired by either Gramsci or the early Frankfurt School like, say, Stuart Hall or Habermas, whose focus is on how domination is produced through consent to and involvement in ideological structures rather than purely through coercion.

    But yeah, actually, the way some people (like Anders Breivik, so you're in good company there) throw it around does make it sound like a right-wing conspiracy. Especially when they don't know the first thing about Critical Theory. Although, to be honest, I don't understand how people fail to understand how social structures like the modern family or heteronormativity or whatever are a) contingent and b) oppressive to some people so I really can't see where aforementioned rabid right-wingers are coming from anyway.
    I think it's also puzzling that we have to have "theories" about how the modern family is not like gravity. Chomsky has written that he doesn't accept the term "theory" to describe such truisms and I agree. I really wasn't aware they were that controversial.
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    (Original post by nicknick1)
    Denial of cultural Marxism is just a tool used by some people so they can perpetuate their denial of facts and justify this denial. It is a denial of the platform that highlights that people are making up facts and revising history to suit their political ends. For example that New Labour handled the state finances well because handling state finances has no relation to the way private finances work. Or blanket statements like "immigration is good for Britain".
    No one has been able to articulate what this "cultural Marxism" looks like. I'd love to know, 'cos apparently I am one!
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    The definition from the video is

    "A cultural marxist is economically left wing, they therefore typically call themselves a social democrat endorsing economic policies such as progressivism and Keynesianism. They are also anti free market no matter how much information you present heir typically uninformed and poor arguments. Cultural Marxist are atheists, agnostics, or endorse some kind of trendy mysticism such as Buddism or Wiccan they are never Christian. Philosophically they will adhere to they types of philosophy like post modernism and feminist theory. Existentialism is also extremely popular with weak atheists or agnostics. They repeatedly reject evidence for things which make human beings diverse like gender and racial difference. Anyone who believes in human differences or doesn't believe these differences are associated with social constructs is a bigot, and will be labelled a racist, sexist or rape apologist, or anything that aligns with PC shamist language."
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    No one has been able to articulate what this "cultural Marxism" looks like. I'd love to know, 'cos apparently I am one!
    It's easier to appreciate the dangers of Cultural Marxism when you're free from it's ideological clutches. But for the 'useful idiots' on the inside I can quite understand why they question the accuracy of the term as their worldview has been tainted by it: they can no longer see the wood from the trees. Here are some of symptoms someone may display if they've been infected with the Culturally Marxist disease:

    1) They abhore freedom of speech in case the population start using this freedom to express 'insensitive' ideas they're uncomfetable with.
    2) They're economic socialists and believe the 'immoral' marketplace is inferior to the angelic and selfless public sector
    3) They advocate the banning 'offensive' words
    4) They instictively badmouth the British Empire and generally take into account all the bad things white people have done while ignoring their positive contributions to mankind
    5) They're pro multiculturalist
    6) They're usually moral relativists
    7) They blame poverty in Africa on European meddling.
    8) They generally support the 'victim' in every political conflict, hint, the victim is never white, male, Christian or western.
    9) They reject the genetic basis for race and instead attempt to present it as a social construct.
    10) They advocate the use of 'positive discrimination' (i.e discrimination against white males)
    11) They believe in man made global warming


    I don't know what their main objectives are however my instincts tells me that they have no truck for outdated ideals such as peace, liberty, free trade and reason.

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