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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7Yes ,a simplified illustration would be a pivot. Have the bar /plank of wood near the edge , now the mechanical force required to move it would be less but there will be a significant increase in ROM.(Original post by Slick Fosbury)
Rotational force about a point (the moment iirc) is force x distance from it.
I presume leverage means they may not be putting out the same force (Ie they're weaker) but greater distance (through longer arms or legs or whatever) means they're moving more weight.
Can't think of an example.
On a side note one of my lecturers was telling us how the concept of 'moment' is invalid / vague , can't recall the reasoning behind his claim. lol
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7Biomechanics of each compound lift varies.. IIRC deadlift involves torque depending on which grip we speak of ... basically the COM of the upper back is somewhere near the L4/L5 region , hence why 85-90% of the herniation occur... because the erector muscles have small line of action to withstand the insane amount of load , to counter balance this shear force comes into the picture which is what ***** us up
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I still firmly believe that I have SI joint related issue not spinal
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7Follow the basics... arch your back , do lots of stretching don't hyper extend , etc..(Original post by Slick Fosbury)
Turn this into info that will help me not get injured please?
How is your physique like.. short torso / long limbs <-- these people tend to be great at DLs but weak at squats...
Blind monk on here knows a lot more than I do..----> sustained back injury during dls
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7As far as I'm aware, when I bulk, my bones don't get any longer, so I don't see how any leverages change about joints? Sounds like powerlifter-pedalled broscience to me, but physics was never my strong point.
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7The benefit of gaining weight from what I can pick is basically generating more power say if the cross sectional area of the muscles increase so would the number of sacromeres ... in the case of myofibrillar hypertropy ?(Original post by HFerguson)
As far as I'm aware, when I bulk, my bones don't get any longer, so I don't see how any leverages change about joints? Sounds like powerlifter-pedalled broscience to me, but physics was never my strong point.
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A massive thigh would have more efficient lever arm generated from the hamstrings and quads in comparison to a thinner / less massive one. Ripptoe gives an example of a door : Says envision trying to close one by the hinges than the handle. -
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7I understand the concept of levers, but Rippetoe's analogy is ****ing pointless - do my hamstring or quad insertions change? i.e. does the point at which I'm applying force change? No. Does the length of the limb change? No. Therefore the lever does not change. Right?(Original post by liftorrot)
The benefit of gaining weight from what I can pick is basically generating more power say if the cross sectional area of the muscles increase so would the number of sacromeres ... in the case of myofibrillar hypertropy ? [ Or I am spewing random BS]
A massive thigh would have more efficient lever arm generated from the hamstrings and quads in comparison to a thinner / less massive one. Ripptoe gives an example of a door : Says envision trying to close one by the hinges than the handle.
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7I think that the extra fat and water that you carry helps propel the weight back up in squatting and benching. So when you start to lift the bar it's not just your muscles working but your bodyweight is being shoved into the barbell too. With deadlifts you have more bodyweight to pull and act as a counterweight against the bar. If this isn't leverage that I'm talking about then I'm wrong. Extra bodyweight also seems to help with balancing the weights too. I don't know what the mechanism is though.
Is this stuff actually gone into in detail with diagrams somewhere?Last edited by Illidan_Stormrage; 15-07-2012 at 21:41. -
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7It is on page 83 of Starting strength.(Original post by alex_tait)
I think that the extra fat and water that you carry helps propel the weight back up in squatting and benching. So when you start to lift the bar it's not just your muscles working but your bodyweight is being shoved into the barbell too. With deadlifts you have more bodyweight to pull and act as a counterweight against the bar. If this isn't leverage that I'm talking about then I'm wrong. Extra bodyweight also seems to help with balancing the weights too. I don't know what the mechanism is though.
Is this stuff actually gone into in detail with diagrams somewhere?
Maybe Jason could shed some light on this
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7I somewhat agree with you , it's not all black/ white as he tries to portrait , it is a lot more complicated than that... I mean if we think about it from one perspective... mass varies cubically with size on the other hand muscle is squared wrt the cross sectional area...(Original post by HFerguson)
I understand the concept of levers, but Rippetoe's analogy is ****ing pointless - do my hamstring or quad insertions change? i.e. does the point at which I'm applying force change? No. Does the length of the limb change? No. Therefore the lever does not change. Right?
Maybe I'm just a physics retard.
Explains why ants typically lift 10x times their own body mass lol -
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7Love it, but always forget to buy blocks (because they vanish in like, a minute).(Original post by Michael XYZ)
Anyone here eat whole/plain mozzarella? I just ate 125g of it in like a minute and it has 35g protein! High fat though too so 300 kcals. -
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7Damn that is good... I might try having it post workout.. 35g of pure protein ! LOL(Original post by Michael XYZ)
Anyone here eat whole/plain mozzarella? I just ate 125g of it in like a minute and it has 35g protein! High fat though too so 300 kcals. -
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7That's liftorrot's analogy as far as I know, not Rippetoe's. It's pointless because even if it were correct the only thing it would tell you is that being big makes you stronger than being small. Rippetoe's explanation that I read is equally pointless but it does actually make sense, and for the sake of feeling superior I'll repeat it. It's about the angle at which the muscle pulls on the bone, not the point at which it pulls from. It pulls from the same point, but if the muscle is pushed away from the muscle by its own size or maybe by tissue underneath it, some of the fibres pull on the muscle from an angle closer to perpendicular than if the muscle is small. Now at this point the door analogy does make sense, but it has to be clarified and explained by someone who understands it (think less liftorrot and more me). Let's say you have a heavy door which you need to pull open. Do you stand on the hinge side of the door and pull on the handle towards the hinges, or do you stand in front of the door and apply force at an angle perpendicular to the door itself? Evidently (if you've visualised it right - I ain't drawing pictures for you) you will choose the latter option. And that is what gaining size, in theory, comes closer to achieving.(Original post by HFerguson)
I understand the concept of levers, but Rippetoe's analogy is ****ing pointless - do my hamstring or quad insertions change? i.e. does the point at which I'm applying force change? No. Does the length of the limb change? No. Therefore the lever does not change. Right?
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7But yeah, "leverages" is kind of a buzzword that hardly anyone who uses it understands. Just like "CNS fatigue" and about half of the hip muscles people talk about like thinking you have to actively flex your hip when you squat even though the whole point of a squat is the big bit of weight pushing your hip into flexion.
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Re: TSR Muscle Building Society For Men V7I dont know if it's "leverages" but one thing i heard was that with an exercise with a negative (ie bench and sq, not dead) where you also have to bear the mass of the bar and get under it, extra weight makes you stronger even if its just fat because the mass of the bar is distributed across more mass (ie you)
Might be bs but just somethign i heard
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