[tufc]

(Original post by meenu89)
The only people who lump the BNP and UKIP together are those who know nothing about politics.

I agree. It's very easy (but simultaneously very stupid) to group the BNP and UKIP together as 'far-right', when the BNP are, for the large part, a utopianist party of national socialists, and UKIP are a party of pragmatist libertarians.

[Retrodiction]

(Original post by translucent)
Can't really comment if they're racist, I'm quiet ignorant on their policies however, I've had a look on their website and this is how they describe there party in a sentence "Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union." why would they feel the need to...

Because tabloids enjoy grouping things together for dramatic effect, even if there's really no comparison to be made.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by translucent)
Can't really comment if they're racist, I'm quiet ignorant on their policies however, I've had a look on their website and this is how they describe there party in a sentence "Libertarian, non-racist party seeking Britain's withdrawal from the European Union." why would they feel the need to...

it's a sad state of affairs when a party proposing such radical ideas as reduced immigration (racist! ) has to have a disclaimer noting that they are not racist. with the way things are going, it's soon going to be a crime simply to criticise government immigration policy or state multiculturalism.

[translucent]

(Original post by Bonged.)
it's a sad state of affairs when a party proposing such radical ideas as reduced immigration (racist! ) has to have a disclaimer noting that they are not racist. with the way things are going, it's soon going to be a crime simply to criticise government immigration policy or state multiculturalism.

That's a bit of a exaggeration, there's a fine line between criticising and offensive remarks/slurs. I still don't understand why the felt the need to mention they're not racists. To me it feels like the old 'I'm not racists, but..' cliché. It makes me curious when they say they're not racist, I wonder what gave people that impression anyway?

Even the BNP are smart enough to not include the word (not) 'racist' in their party description.

(Original post by Retrodiction)
Because tabloids enjoy grouping things together for dramatic effect, even if there's really no comparison to be made.

The tabloids are pro anti-immigration and pretty much agree with most UKIP policies. Surely they're for UKIP not against it.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by translucent)
That's a bit of a exaggeration, there's a fine line between criticising and offensive remarks/slurs. I still don't understand why the felt the need to mention they're not racists. To me it feels like the old 'I'm not racists, but..' cliché. It makes me curious when they say they're not racist, I wonder what gave people that impression anyway?

Even the BNP are smart enough to not include the word (not) 'racist' in their party description.


The tabloids are pro anti-immigration and pretty much agree with most UKIP policies. Surely they're for UKIP not against it.

Not really. It's already a social taboo to suggest reducing immigration levels.

Because people who can't be bothered to debate like to shout "racist" as a way of silencing opposition?

[translucent]

(Original post by Bonged.)
Not really. It's already a social taboo to suggest reducing immigration levels.

Because people who can't be bothered to debate like to shout "racist" as a way of silencing opposition?

I agree it's definately a social taboo, it can be easy to cross the line so to speak, and there's always someone who's 'offended', shows like the big question and sunday morning live do it well

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Bonged.)
it's a sad state of affairs when a party proposing such radical ideas as reduced immigration (racist! ) has to have a disclaimer noting that they are not racist. with the way things are going, it's soon going to be a crime simply to criticise government immigration policy or state multiculturalism.

It all ready is in some cases, and most times a MASSIVE social faux pa that the tabloids and left wing fascists that have too much attention paid to them have stirred up.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by prog2djent)
It all ready is in some cases, and most times a MASSIVE social faux pa that the tabloids and left wing fascists that have too much attention paid to them have stirred up.

The term "fascist" is not a synonym for "people I don't like".

[Bonged.]

(Original post by Kibalchich)


The term "fascist" is not a synonym for "people I don't like".

No but it does accurately describe people that want to imprison people for opinions.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by Bonged.)
No but it does accurately describe people that want to imprison people for opinions.

No, it doesn't. Fascist is not a synonym for "intolerant" either.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by Kibalchich)
No, it doesn't. Fascist is not a synonym for "intolerant" either.

...do you even know what the germans first used concentration camps for?

Political prisoners.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by Bonged.)
...do you even know what the germans first used concentration camps for?

Political prisoners.

Yes, and...what? This happened completely by accident did it?

[nicknick1]

(Original post by Kibalchich)


The term "fascist" is not a synonym for "people I don't like".

When we lock people up for saying things we don't like, I think it's safe to say we have crossed the line into liberal fascism.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by nicknick1)
When we lock people up for saying things we don't like, I think it's safe to say we have crossed the line into liberal fascism.

liberal fascism, lol

[James A]

(Original post by tufc)
No, they are in no way racist.

agreed.

the party itself isn't racist as one of the earlier posters mentioned. Altough they may have some individuals who are racist.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Kibalchich)


The term "fascist" is not a synonym for "people I don't like".

Of course left wing fascism does not exist, I'm saying there are certain groups that essentially want to single out, silence, ban and destroy people they don't agree with.

The UAF for example, they are fake anti-fascists. I don't, and won't ever make the rediculous leap to describe someone as being a "cultural marxist" which doesn't exist. But there is a whole group of people that want to control free speach, control decisions and have the power to influence our lives regarding social issues.

Ironically, certain members of the UAF have quite a bit in common with the BNP nazi types, holocaust denial, jews run the world, controls over free speach etc etc

And those particular individuals are the islamists within the UAF and far-left, I mean, the BNP's Christian sect should really be joining hands with the religious right 'islamo-fascists' for their homophobia, jewish conspircies, anti-abortion, pro-religion in schools, joining of church and state, and removing all troops from the mid east (a suprising BNP policy, I know).

[RyanT]

(Original post by James A)
agreed.

the party itself isn't racist as one of the earlier posters mentioned. Altough they may have some individuals who are racist.

+1

I'm not a UKIP supporter but I think this sums up that party best.

BNP want to put British people first and think a British person is someone who is white and has +1 generations living here.

UKIP want to be put British people first and think anyone living here counts as British.

There is a very big difference, UKIP are basically the real conservative party.

[Kibalchich]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Of course left wing fascism does not exist, I'm saying there are certain groups that essentially want to single out, silence, ban and destroy people they don't agree with.

The UAF for example, they are fake anti-fascists. I don't, and won't ever make the rediculous leap to describe someone as being a "cultural marxist" which doesn't exist. But there is a whole group of people that want to control free speach, control decisions and have the power to influence our lives regarding social issues.

Ironically, certain members of the UAF have quite a bit in common with the BNP nazi types, holocaust denial, jews run the world, controls over free speach etc etc

And those particular individuals are the islamists within the UAF and far-left, I mean, the BNP's Christian sect should really be joining hands with the religious right 'islamo-fascists' for their homophobia, jewish conspircies, anti-abortion, pro-religion in schools, joining of church and state, and removing all troops from the mid east (a suprising BNP policy, I know).

Some on the far left would agree that UAF are "fake anti-fascists" as they're not actually capable of physically confronting fascists like AFA and RA were. I doubt that's what you meant though?

[Brutal Honesty]

Nigel Farage said UKIP 'would never get the Nig-Nog vote' but in my opinion that's a perfectly valid term for black people.

[nicknick1]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Of course left wing fascism does not exist, I'm saying there are certain groups that essentially want to single out, silence, ban and destroy people they don't agree with.

The UAF for example, they are fake anti-fascists. I don't, and won't ever make the rediculous leap to describe someone as being a "cultural marxist" which doesn't exist. But there is a whole group of people that want to control free speach, control decisions and have the power to influence our lives regarding social issues.

Ironically, certain members of the UAF have quite a bit in common with the BNP nazi types, holocaust denial, jews run the world, controls over free speach etc etc

And those particular individuals are the islamists within the UAF and far-left, I mean, the BNP's Christian sect should really be joining hands with the religious right 'islamo-fascists' for their homophobia, jewish conspircies, anti-abortion, pro-religion in schools, joining of church and state, and removing all troops from the mid east (a suprising BNP policy, I know).

I don't understand how you can say that cultural marxism does not exist. Marxism wanted to make everyone equal and cultural marxism wants to make groups of people equal (genders, races, religions, cultures, sexuality etc.). Surely movements of this type existed. Surely governments have agendas towards this and even sometimes so called "positive discrimination", surely corporate equality and diversity programmes exist. Surely we put white people in jail for racist comments but leave black people who make racist comments in the government (Diane Abbotts)? I don't see how one can argue that cultural marxism does not exist. You might not like it / might like it / or might not like dislike of it but surely it exists.