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Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"Yes I am well aware of the Iran-Iraq war as an Iranian and I have a family member in Iran who was badly injured in this conflict(Original post by silent ninja)
I didn't say I was a Galloway supporter, but I do I agree with some of his views against the wars, Israel and the general establishment.
Every Western leader worth his salt was friends with Saddam. It's well known the Americans were his biggest supporters too. Where did Saddam get his arms from you have to ask? Well it's those very political parties, that have the same values, that are in power right now
All I'm saying is it's good to have an alternative voice in the commons. Most politicians read from the same hymn sheet.
Iraq was backed by scum countries like Russia, the USA, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, China and Britain/France/Italy.
Iran was backed by Israel, Syria, North Korea and the Americans also provided arms. Khomeini deliberately prolonged the war for years so he could eliminate his opposition and slowly take over the government culminating in the current regime.
What's your point anyway? Because Rumsfeld was mates with Saddam it is alright for this toad Galloway to be one. I remember after the 2009 elections in Iran when people were dragged into prisons and tortured in ways that pampered people living in the West like you cannot possibly imagine, Galloway cam out in support of Ahamdi, I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire frankly - he cares about money and his own ego. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
Galloway got eggs thrown at him
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Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"My point is there are far worse politicians. Galloway is targetted because he actually has a stance on foreign policy, unlike the vast majority of MPs that tow the same line (which is usually follow the Americans at all costs). So he's not condemned Iran (according to you, I haven't followed him that closely) but many other of his views on Britain and foreign policy are spot on. Maybe you should give your local MPs a harder time, chances are they'be been in full support of the government.(Original post by Ferdowsi)
Yes I am well aware of the Iran-Iraq war as an Iranian and I have a family member in Iran who was badly injured in this conflict
Iraq was backed by scum countries like Russia, the USA, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, China and Britain/France/Italy.
Iran was backed by Israel, Syria, North Korea and the Americans also provided arms. Khomeini deliberately prolonged the war for years so he could eliminate his opposition and slowly take over the government culminating in the current regime.
What's your point anyway? Because Rumsfeld was mates with Saddam it is alright for this toad Galloway to be one. I remember after the 2009 elections in Iran when people were dragged into prisons and tortured in ways that pampered people living in the West like you cannot possibly imagine, Galloway cam out in support of Ahamdi, I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire frankly - he cares about money and his own ego.
On the issue of Iran, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The US and Europe are milking it for their own purposes. They couldn't give two ****s about Iran. They simply want the country flattened so that Israel is the only major power in the region. I hope you aren't one of those people that want America's help. They're opportunist and the sanctions they've led have done nothing but hurt ordinary people (that's the point of sanctions, they know very well it doesn't hurt the leadership. The likes of North Korea, Iraq became dangerous under sanctions so they are totally ineffective). -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
The real casualty in all of this is the town of Bradford. A horrible racist ****hole about to get more divided and racist.
Galloway won't be the last demagogue to play identity politics in the muslim community over Israel etc either.
No wonder so many people are leaving Bradford. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
Love Galloway. Love him. One of the only people who stood up to Blair and Bus over Iraq and he was proved 100% right. The right wing press demonize him but he's a brilliant politician, not afraid to speak the truth and doesn't just suck up to the media.
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Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"Wow you think I am not aware of that(Original post by silent ninja)
On the issue of Iran, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The US and Europe are milking it for their own purposes. They couldn't give two ****s about Iran. They simply want the country flattened so that Israel is the only major power in the region. I hope you aren't one of those people that want America's help. They're opportunist and the sanctions they've led have done nothing but hurt ordinary people (that's the point of sanctions, they know very well it doesn't hurt the leadership. The likes of North Korea, Iraq became dangerous under sanctions so they are totally ineffective).
Of course the sanctions harm the ordinary people and not the criminal mullahs, you don't actually think that the west want regime change do you? A free and democratic Iran would easily surpass all the disgusting client states like Israel and Saudi Arabia in the Middle East region. The mullahs who have bank accounts in the West where they keep their stolen billions from the Iranian people. Why for example are ordinary Iranians banned from transfering $100 to Canada, but the Mullahs can transfer $3,000,000, and can buy big houses there (like Mahmoud Reza Khavari, the chairman of Bank Melli which is the state owned bank in Iran). When you live in Iran as an ordinary Iranian, not as a Mullah or Islamist, you can not buy anything form the outside world; you can not transfer money to the outside world. You can not work with any international bank; it is difficult to get visas from western countries; you cannot leave Iran and should live there like a prisoner. Why? your answer is: ‘because the western politicians have imposed sanctions on Iran’. But the Mullahs and their families can have all of these banned things. Isn’t it the biggest possible joke in human history? Why are sanctions on normal Iranians yet the mullahs and islamists are allowed to have all these bank accounts in the West? Why does the supreme leader of Iran have $6.8 billion stashed in the British Cayman Islands and $9.7 billion in Liechtenstein? Whilst Britain is banning the exporting of cancer drugs to normal Iranians? It is a joke.
I think that the key alliance in the Middle East (the USA - Israel and Saudi Arabia) like the fact that the mullahs are dragging Iran back to the stone age, without them we would rapidly become a regional power, and then a global power. The American and Israeli leadership (as well as the Saudis) don't want this a challenger to their bullying of the region - so I don't think they want full regime change, just the return of a more moderate mullah like Khatami, but still a mullah and the current regime that keeps Iran weak and not powerful like we historically always have been. Iran as an independent state would be secular and nationalist, and be a model to other countries in the Middle East (maybe even the Saudi public) this is a threat to the Americans because they want to use the ME as a petrol station with weak leaders installed, the Israelis because they would lose their status as the regional power (remember Iran was the undisputed power in the ME under the mismanagement of the dictatorial Shah with the 5th biggest and strongest military in the world) and the Saudis oil arrangement with the Americans would collapse. At the moment Iran is so weak the Americans could waltz in with no real resistance, and the Saudis and Israelis dominate their relevant spheres - a secular and nationalist Iran like in 1953 would be a game changer.
And yeah Galloway is a scumbag toad who pretends to care about Palestine so he can win some Muslim votes whilst he never turns up to parliament and then earns millions working for Press TV and pretending to be a cat on Big Brother. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"It depends on whether he improves investment into the city. Clearly the last Labour (Muslim) guy was atrocious, there were supposed to be lots of new investments into the area which have collapsed under his incompetent term. Idiot.(Original post by Bonged.)
The real casualty in all of this is the town of Bradford. A horrible racist ****hole about to get more divided and racist.
Galloway won't be the last demagogue to play identity politics in the muslim community over Israel etc either.
No wonder so many people are leaving Bradford. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
In addition to saluting the courage, strength and indefatigability of Saddam Hussein, in GQ in 2006 he said a suicide attack on a British Prime Minister "would be morally justified".
So, defying every single pollster, he won by over 10x greater amount than even his supporters expected.
At midnight, he turned up to the count and declared: "I won here tonight".
At 3am, the result was declared: He won.
But I'm sure there wasn't the slightest hint of any impropriety in the voting arrangements and it was all proper and above board. Right?
And his first tweet on winning Bradford?
"Long live Iraq. Long live Palestine, free, Arab, dignified. George Galloway MP"
I wonder how he got all those votes?
There are some who might speculate that the promise of a 12 year old girl and a copy of Mein Kampf for each voter might have done the deal.
Of course, that would be outrageous speculation. Almost like speculating that the Toulouse killer was an Islamist and that there were many more like him living in France building up arms caches ready to slaughter more Jews. Oh, wait...
Galloway was kicked out of Labour for suggesting British soldiers should be attacked; when Respect's Salma Yaqoob was asked on Radio 4's Today programme this morning "do you think British soldiers should be attacked", she said "We defend the right to resist".Last edited by digitaltoast; 30-03-2012 at 16:47. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"He was a Sikh.(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
It depends on whether he improves investment into the city. Clearly the last Labour (Muslim) guy was atrocious, there were supposed to be lots of new investments into the area which have collapsed under his incompetent term. Idiot. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"I'd rather have Galloway than the alternatives turds that do nothing but tow the party line.(Original post by Ferdowsi)
Wow you think I am not aware of that
Of course the sanctions harm the ordinary people and not the criminal mullahs, you don't actually think that the west want regime change do you? A free and democratic Iran would easily surpass all the disgusting client states like Israel and Saudi Arabia in the Middle East region. The mullahs who have bank accounts in the West where they keep their stolen billions from the Iranian people. Why for example are ordinary Iranians banned from transfering $100 to Canada, but the Mullahs can transfer $3,000,000, and can buy big houses there (like Mahmoud Reza Khavari, the chairman of Bank Melli which is the state owned bank in Iran). When you live in Iran as an ordinary Iranian, not as a Mullah or Islamist, you can not buy anything form the outside world; you can not transfer money to the outside world. You can not work with any international bank; it is difficult to get visas from western countries; you cannot leave Iran and should live there like a prisoner. Why? your answer is: ‘because the western politicians have imposed sanctions on Iran’. But the Mullahs and their families can have all of these banned things. Isn’t it the biggest possible joke in human history? Why are sanctions on normal Iranians yet the mullahs and islamists are allowed to have all these bank accounts in the West? Why does the supreme leader of Iran have $6.8 billion stashed in the British Cayman Islands and $9.7 billion in Liechtenstein? Whilst Britain is banning the exporting of cancer drugs to normal Iranians? It is a joke.
I think that the key alliance in the Middle East (the USA - Israel and Saudi Arabia) like the fact that the mullahs are dragging Iran back to the stone age, without them we would rapidly become a regional power, and then a global power. The American and Israeli leadership (as well as the Saudis) don't want this a challenger to their bullying of the region - so I don't think they want full regime change, just the return of a more moderate mullah like Khatami, but still a mullah and the current regime that keeps Iran weak and not powerful like we historically always have been. Iran as an independent state would be secular and nationalist, and be a model to other countries in the Middle East (maybe even the Saudi public) this is a threat to the Americans because they want to use the ME as a petrol station with weak leaders installed, the Israelis because they would lose their status as the regional power (remember Iran was the undisputed power in the ME under the mismanagement of the dictatorial Shah with the 5th biggest and strongest military in the world) and the Saudis oil arrangement with the Americans would collapse. At the moment Iran is so weak the Americans could waltz in with no real resistance, and the Saudis and Israelis dominate their relevant spheres - a secular and nationalist Iran like in 1953 would be a game changer.
And yeah Galloway is a scumbag toad who pretends to care about Palestine so he can win some Muslim votes whilst he never turns up to parliament and then earns millions working for Press TV and pretending to be a cat on Big Brother.
I still don't see why you target Galloway in particular. Virtually every MP is anti-Iran and those with influence and power (Cameron and the cabinet) even more so. I wanna see Galloway speak up against British foreign policy because few others will. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"Really what was his name?(Original post by AkaJetson)
He was a Sikh. -
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Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"Marsha Singh.(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
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Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
Why are people giving a ****? It's not exactly surprising results considering Galloway has always appealed to the Muslim community.
One of the criticism against is he stated "Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability". But, so what? Why is it bad to suck up to someone? Yes, Saadam is a evil evil evil man but calling him that doesn't do **** for cooperation with him. This also applies to other worlds leaders, there's nothing wrong with sucking up to a dictator. Sorry, in the big bad world we live in we have to be respectful and flattering to even the most evil person when it's in our interest. It's called being pragmatic. My only problem with Galloway as opposed to other world leaders is I can see their side and motivations for corporation with Saadam however I can not see his. Was he being truthful that he was doing it to pressure Saadam to do good? Or was he being used by Saadam? I think it's the former because he was critical of the regime pre-gulf war so I think he was merely cooperating with Saadam plus there's no evidence that Galloway benefited from Saadam's regime.
Then there's also the fact that he sucks up to the Iranian regime and even tried to deny that Iran executed the boy for homosexuality and stated it was a sex crime. In my opinion, he does this for propaganda purposes. He believes that the west want a war with Iran and before a war can happen, government need to rally up support. And painting negative pictures of Iran increases support hence his trying to counter it by painting positive images. Or his doing it to show allegiance to Iranian regime to further his cooperation with them and give him more power to pressure them for good.
Or he could just be a evil ****er who genuinely doesn't give a **** about anyone but himself. But, this is a simplistic conclusion.
I just don't think Galloway's intentions can be clearly deduced hence I don't feel it's right to just jump on the anti-Galloway bandwagon. His in a unique position, he has the power to do good in the middle east. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
George Galloway is an extremely unpleasant man.
He hates the West, his own country even, in a completely indoctrinated manner. He thinks he's clever by trying to find links between anything the West does and Oil, even if that means defending Omar Al-Bashir (see link below). He'd happily defend Hitler if 1940s Germany had oil. Galloway would much rather had left the people of Benghazi or Kosovo to be massacred than intervene. He seems to care so much for the Palestinians and their right to self-determination, yet when asked about the Falklands he didn't extend the same privileges to the islanders, purely to oppose anything to do with Britain. He also sympathises with radical Islamic groups who aren't too keen on women's rights, homosexual rights, and just about anyone's rights actually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4NUjpgVmdM
In conclusion George Galloway is a virulent racist who casually denies genocide when it suits him, and panders to teenage socialists who think it's clever to blame everything on oil and hate their own country.
He deserves no place in our political system and if the constituents of Bradford had read some of his comments then he wouldn't have got a look in. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
When Al Quaeda muder innocent civilians it's 'terrorism'. When Britain murders inncoent civilians we call it defence. It amazes me no one can see the hypocracy. Just look at how many inncoent civilians Britain and America have brutally murdered.
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Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"I think 6 million Jews* and their families would disagree.(Original post by Sisu)
there's nothing wrong with sucking up to a dictator.
*Oh, but of course, they can't disagree, can they? What with being murdered by a dictator and that. Now, what was that you were saying? -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"
Although I don't agree with him, I can understand why people would vote for him, and why he won with such a landslide victory.
Being part of the Muslim community, I know that there is a lot of anger and aparth towards most politicians because of their treatment with the situation(s) in the Middle-East (e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel-Palestine). They see mainstream political parties with disdain because of their support for British foregin policy, and what they view as blatant injustices.
Galloway basically understands this and almost represents the anger that many Muslims have towards the British government.
Well that's about it. Nothing more nothing less, he'll probably go after a few years and that will be the end of that. -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"That sucking up to a dictator isn't wrong. If we all acted on principle and truth as opposed to pragmatism, guess where we would be? Most people would be out of jobs for calling their managers exactly what they think of them. International relations would be weak as **** with world leaders not cooperating very much. Business failing for telling their clients exactly what they think of them. Sorry dude, I live in the real world. I understand that saying flattering things and infiltrating will get me further than simply saying "**** you, you evil scum".(Original post by digitaltoast)
I think 6 million Jews* and their families would disagree.
*Oh, but of course, they can't disagree, can they? What with being murdered by a dictator and that. Now, what was that you were saying? -
Re: Galloway about to win Bradford West... "Shock result"Calm down, just an observation from somebody who has has lived in Bradford all of their life. Besides, I think our dear Galloway takes it a just a tad beyond "criticising Western foreign policy". And where does "anti white" come in to it? Doesn't surprise me that you're apologizing for him considering your own personal views.(Original post by ak137)
Oh dear. Someone hasnt taken their pills lately.
Criticising western foreign polcy =/= anti-west or even anti-white.
Think, before you step out your liberal cocoon.Last edited by thisisnew; 30-03-2012 at 17:56.