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    So I've been browsing TSR a lot lately. And in my travels I turned to Stormfront to get an insight into what it's like to live in such a hate filled world. In every TSR thread we get the two angsty camps: one of some targeted race whose had a fellow member(s) do something malicious which increases the racial tensions, spurns headlines on news websites and creates discussion on the disproportionate level of crime where the other members will try and use words such as 'generalisations' or that the action was against their 'religion/culture'. Then we have the other camp who are eager to rip into said race or political policies such as immigration or multiculturalism by indulging in cherry picking fallacies and using catchphrases such as 'British culture', 'multiculturalism', 'barbaric and outdated' and a Stormfront favourite: 'anti-racism is a codeword for anti-white'. We have the extremes at both sides. The people that are unable to accept a new culture and seek to impose their own which reflects badly on everyone else and then the people that are unable to accept something different and play victim through hyperboles and like minded supremacism.

    But has anybody ever reflected on the utter meaningless of it all?

    But for a few differences in genetic coding, we are all essentially sitting under the same metaphorical umbrella. I can't say it's much of a coincidence that people lap differences in culture in the same basket as differences in race. Or should I invent a new catchphrase 'anti-multiculturalism is a codeword for an anti-multi racial society'. I do agree that there should not be an imposing of foreign cultures on the indigenous population (which is ironic given most of the indigenous population are immigrants) but a lot of people take this as the opportunity for racial differences. And obviously, there are some deep traits amongst communities (which tend to have skin colour in common) where say, studying hard is seen as 'not cool' or socioeconomic factors bring cause a cycle of deprivation and a tendency to lean towards crime. Of course we should facilitate discussion on these deep rooted problems and not be afraid of airing opinions on them. But there are endless debates and entrenched views on 'ancestors', 'what they fought for', 'culture' and being 'proud'. But of what exactly? Other people's achievements? You're proud someone else, who lived hundreds of years ago and is now rotting in the ground, achieved something you couldn't? Much of the culture that is cited isn't something that is culture because of race. You are proud that by an immeasurable count of luck, you just happened to be born on a specific batch of soil over another specific batch of soil?

    There seems to be so much breeding of hate, segregation, ignorance and fear over something so meaningless. We've seen before, breaking Godwin's Law, how the breeding of the above leads to the genocide and holocaust of a specific category of people, naturally cue: zomg, genocide of white people is happening already through immigration! It isn't so much the classification that is the problem. Naturally there is a 'pack' mentality of observing differences and acting on that difference by rejecting it. It's more the inherent hate some have for these differences as ways of highlighting some sense of entitlement or superiority (herp derp Alpha Male status). What if we were distinguished by another prominent characteristic? The observation I've made is that the only real reason for skin colour discrimination is that it's the most prominent difference between humans and people love to spot the difference. We can already see lesser forms of discrimination in sex, religion, class, weight, height and country of origin.

    Therefore should I find it ironic to see racist females? I'm not sure.

    I'm curious what the world would be like if everyone had the same skin colour but hair colours remained different and were as hard to dye as skin colours are now. Gingers would be the 'Blacks' of the world, wouldn't they? Whilst 'gingerism' exists, the overall idea of discriminating on hair colour seems ridiculous.

    So given so much hate exists in the world between races, how meaningless is it when you're going to be dead, buried and forgotten in roughly 50-60 years provided you live a long life. You'll enter a state of non-existence, just like everyone else.

    This thread points out the obvious but also the trivial nature of arguments over race when there are so many other inherent characteristics that separate us. Why so much emphasis on one? Does anyone else find it all utterly meaningless (both the racism and the need for equality in the first place) or am I just a clueless pony leaping around and looking for a world full of rainbows, pastures of green grass and clear blue skies? Goddamn, those black ponies.
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    Terms like 'multiculturalism' and 'political correctness' are buzzwords to highlight how oppressed white people are (obviously nonsense you wouldn't rather be brown/black in Britain would you?) and by using these terms you can create a discourse in which the roles in society are completely reversed. White people are oppressed by foreigners/immigrants/asylum seekers/minorities/Muslims etc. and therefore in order to balance things we need to persecute, subjugate, impose sanctions upon these minority groups (who are clearly more vulnerable and not better off compared to white people by any measure). This leads to populist, authoritarian policies being looked to as the solution but in order to enact such policies you need to get rid of the 'liberal elites' (people who aren't populist/authoritarian) who currently occupy the government and replace them with very right wing, authoritarian politicians. UKIP seem to have filled this role quite well actually which is why they gained popularity.
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    It's a bit of a liberal Western pipedream to believe that we're all virtually identical other than a few insignificant genes that determine skin colour and hair type etc. Lets be honest, most men genetically speaking are virtually identical to Brad Pitt, but the reality is that these miniscule variations make the difference between being a multi-millionaire A list moviestar with an immensely beautiful wife, and cleaning the streets of some god-awful inner city on the minimum wage before returning home to your bedsit everynight.

    Differences matter.
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    Terms like 'multiculturalism' and 'political correctness' are buzzwords to highlight how oppressed white people are (obviously nonsense you wouldn't rather be brown/black in Britain would you?) and by using these terms you can create a discourse in which the roles in society are completely reversed. White people are oppressed by foreigners/immigrants/asylum seekers/minorities/Muslims etc. and therefore in order to balance things we need to persecute, subjugate, impose sanctions upon these minority groups (who are clearly more vulnerable and not better off compared to white people by any measure). This leads to populist, authoritarian policies being looked to as the solution but in order to enact such policies you need to get rid of the 'liberal elites' (people who aren't populist/authoritarian) who currently occupy the government and replace them with very right wing, authoritarian politicians. UKIP seem to have filled this role quite well actually which is why they gained popularity.
    Educate yourself.

    http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146

    A middle class black man is better off than a poor white man. No debate.
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    Educate yourself.

    http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146

    A middle class black man is better off than a poor white man. No debate.
    Race and class do intersect however. It can be more difficult for a black man to become middle class.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    It's a bit of a liberal Western pipedream to believe that we're all virtually identical other than a few insignificant genes that determine skin colour and hair type etc. Lets be honest, most men genetically speaking are virtually identical to Brad Pitt, but the reality is that these miniscule variations make the difference between being a multi-millionaire A list moviestar with an immensely beautiful wife, and cleaning the streets of some god-awful inner city on the minimum wage before returning home to your bedsit everynight.

    Differences matter.
    Poor people are poor due to genetics are they?
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Race and class do intersect however. It can be more difficult for a black man to become middle class.
    Really? Is there evidence showing that to be true? If anything all the black and ethnic minority scholarships and work programs should make it easier.
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    Really? Is there evidence showing that to be true? If anything all the black and ethnic minority scholarships and work programs should make it easier.
    There is certainly evidence showing that black people are over represented in the unemployment statistics
    http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org...th-and-gender/
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    to be honest, on tsr, this sort of thing tends to depend on religion not race... people can't change the colour of their skin and it doesnt shape who they are or how they should be treated. but if two groups of people follow religions which have opposing views to each other then there will be clashes
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    Well written and thoughtful OP.

    However, TSR users all but ignore it and the usual debate rages completely missing the point the OP was trying to make.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    There is certainly evidence showing that black people are over represented in the unemployment statistics
    http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org...th-and-gender/
    And the way of fixing this is to allocate ethnically exclusive funding to "the black community"?
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    And the way of fixing this is to allocate ethnically exclusive funding to "the black community"?
    No.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    There is certainly evidence showing that black people are over represented in the unemployment statistics
    http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org...th-and-gender/
    Although interestingly, this study found

    For some minority groups (Caribbeans, Black Africans, Indians, Chinese and other) children with working-class parents are more likely to end up in professional/managerial class families than white British people from similar origins. This can be explained by educational achievement.
    but also notes

    However, even when taking account of parents' social class, those from minority ethnic groups are at greater risk of unemployment than their white British counterparts from similar backgrounds. This is particularly true of Caribbeans.
    http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/m...ic-communities
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    There is certainly evidence showing that black people are over represented in the unemployment statistics
    http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org...th-and-gender/
    Not a race issue. It's an economic issue.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Although interestingly, this study found



    but also notes



    http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/m...ic-communities
    All the extra scholarships and funding, presumably.
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    Educate yourself.

    http://www.iwca.info/?p=10146

    A middle class black man is better off than a poor white man. No debate.
    A rich, black person is better off than a poor, white person wtf?

    Your point isn't clever, all things considered equal you'd much rather be white (assuming non-gypsy) than black. A poor black person is far more likely to do badly in school, be unemployed, in prison, dead/ill, come from a broken home etc. than a poor white person.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Poor people are poor due to genetics are they?
    I'm calling strawman.

    Your earning potential is influenced by your genetics, yes. If you're born with an amazing mathematical brain or incredible sporting ability you may earn more than someone who lacks these characteristics. Similarly if you're born physically and mentally handicapped a lot of jobs would be impossible. But genetics alone aren't the sole cause of poverty.
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    (Original post by Brutal Honesty)
    A rich, black person is better off than a poor, white person wtf?

    Your point isn't clever, all things considered equal you'd much rather be white (assuming non-gypsy) than black. A poor black person is far more likely to do badly in school, be unemployed, in prison, dead/ill, come from a broken home etc. than a poor white person.
    Yes. It's obvious isn't it. Yet the middle class black man's children will benefit from scholarships and funding that isn't extended to poor white children. Fairness defined.

    Depends where that poor white person comes from. In east glasgow, nah.
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    Yes. It's obvious isn't it. Yet the middle class black man's children will benefit from scholarships and funding that isn't extended to poor white children. Fairness defined.

    Depends where that poor white person comes from. In east glasgow, nah.
    What scholarships would that be?
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    (Original post by lolipanda)
    to be honest, on tsr, this sort of thing tends to depend on religion not race... people can't change the colour of their skin and it doesnt shape who they are or how they should be treated. but if two groups of people follow religions which have opposing views to each other then there will be clashes
    It's to do with culture and politics, not religion.

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