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(Original post by Sir Digby Chicken)
What scholarships would that be?

http://www.ehow.com/list_6386154_min...ents-u_k_.html

There's more obviously.

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(Original post by Bonged.)
Yes. It's obvious isn't it. Yet the middle class black man's children will benefit from scholarships and funding that isn't extended to poor white children. Fairness defined.

Depends where that poor white person comes from. In east glasgow, nah.

lol at you milking this scholarships nonsense. A middle class black family will send their kids to a public school where they won't get this scholarship. I thought the the grants are given by councils to schools anyway and not individuals? A poor black person in Hackney is worse off than a poor black person in Glasgow. More likely to get shot/killed/in gangs/in prison etc.

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(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
lol at you milking this scholarships nonsense. A middle class black family will send their kids to a public school where they won't get this scholarship. I thought the the grants are given by councils to schools anyway and not individuals? A poor black person in Hackney is worse off than a poor black person in Glasgow. More likely to get shot/killed/in gangs/in prison etc.

Am I incorrect? Do these ethnically exclusive scholarships not exist?


They do have some responsibility for their own actions. Surely?!

[Sir Digby Chicken]

(Original post by Bonged.)
http://www.ehow.com/list_6386154_min...ents-u_k_.html

There's more obviously.

Out of the list of three you have provided only one explicitly says that black and asians are positively discriminated against to give an unfair advantage, and that was only for one course not all courses and they must not be recieving a student loan. The rest offered grants for under-represented groups and minority groups which includes ethnic minorities, not exclusive to ethnic minorities. That means it is open to poor white people. Also they aren't seemingly open to ethnic minorities from middle class backgrounds. Basically these schemes that you claim are only open to minorities isn't the case.

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(Original post by Sir Digby Chicken)
Out of the list of three you have provided only one explicitly says that black and asians are positively discriminated against to give an unfair advantage, and that was only for one course not all courses and they must not be recieving a student loan. The rest offered grants for under-represented groups and minority groups which includes ethnic minorities, not exclusive to ethnic minorities. That means it is open to poor white people. Also they aren't seemingly open to ethnic minorities from middle class backgrounds. Basically these schemes that you claim are only open to minorities isn't the case.

Did you want more then?

[Sir Digby Chicken]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
lol at you milking this scholarships nonsense. A middle class black family will send their kids to a public school where they won't get this scholarship. I thought the the grants are given by councils to schools anyway and not individuals? A poor black person in Hackney is worse off than a poor black person in Glasgow. More likely to get shot/killed/in gangs/in prison etc.

Statistically actually poor white youths in glasgow are more likely to be stabbed and in gangs or in prison than those in london. If anything the level of hardship between poor blacks in london and poor whites in glasgow is roughly the same.

[Sir Digby Chicken]

(Original post by Bonged.)
Did you want more then?

Well you can at least prove your point, because it seems you are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

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(Original post by Sir Digby Chicken)
Well you can at least prove your point, because it seems you are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

K, how many scholarship programs excluding white students will be enough for you to recognise that discriminating against people of any colour is wrong?

There are plenty more.

http://www.education.gov.uk/children...ievement-grant

Specifically not open to white pupils.

[Sir Digby Chicken]

(Original post by Bonged.)
K, how many scholarship programs excluding white students will be enough for you to recognise that discriminating against people of any colour is wrong?

There are plenty more.

http://www.education.gov.uk/children...ievement-grant

Specifically not open to white pupils.

So there is one quite vague scholarship grant that is open to ethnic minorities (which btw doesn't exactly say what they get) which is also devolved to local councils. I'm not saying discriminating against any group because of ethnicity is good, quite the opposite infact. I'm arguing against your supposed point that poor blacks in london have a far greater advantage than poor whites in glasgow, when infact this doesn't seem to be true. Even with this EMAG, because the EMAG doesn't apply in scotland. Infact in scotland there is still an EMA which is open to poor students of all ethnicities.

Infact In the UK, any discrimination, quotas or favouritism on the grounds of sex, race and ethnicity is generally illegal in both education and employment.[23][36] Specific exceptions include:

The 1998 Good Friday Agreement required that the Police Service of Northern Ireland recruit equal numbers of Catholics and Protestants in order to eliminate the service's perceived bias towards Protestants.
The Labour Party passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002, allowing them to use all-women shortlists to select more women as election candidates.

EDIT: the EMAG isn't a grant for pupils, it's a grant for schools with ethnic minorities!!!

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(Original post by Sir Digby Chicken)
So there is one quite vague scholarship grant that is open to ethnic minorities (which btw doesn't exactly say what they get) which is also devolved to local councils. I'm not saying discriminating against any group because of ethnicity is good, quite the opposite infact. I'm arguing against your supposed point that poor blacks in london have a far greater advantage than poor whites in glasgow, when infact this doesn't seem to be true. Even with this EMAG, because the EMAG doesn't apply in scotland. Infact in scotland there is still an EMA which is open to poor students of all ethnicities.

Infact In the UK, any discrimination, quotas or favouritism on the grounds of sex, race and ethnicity is generally illegal in both education and employment.[23][36] Specific exceptions include:

The 1998 Good Friday Agreement required that the Police Service of Northern Ireland recruit equal numbers of Catholics and Protestants in order to eliminate the service's perceived bias towards Protestants.
The Labour Party passed the Sex Discrimination (Election Candidates) Act 2002, allowing them to use all-women shortlists to select more women as election candidates.

I apologise, did I miss the scholarships open only to poor white glasweigans that specifically exclude non-white glasweigans?

Just to reiterate, I am arguing against discrimination and you are arguing for it.

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(Original post by Bonged.)
I apologise, did I miss the scholarships open only to poor white glasweigans that specifically exclude non-white glasweigans?

Just to reiterate, I am arguing against discrimination and you are arguing for it.

No, the EMAG isn't a grant for pupils, it's for schools. And I'm arguing against your idea that blacks and asians get scholarships for being ethnic minorities, which is becoming more and more clear that this isn't true in the slightest!

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(Original post by Bonged.)
Am I incorrect? Do these ethnically exclusive scholarships not exist?


They do have some responsibility for their own actions. Surely?!

Scholarships for poor minorities who do exceptionally well in school and come from a background in which they would usually not continue on to further education.


As do white people. Bear in mind you're constantly banging on about minorities instead and how its their fault for white people failing at stuff.

EDIT: BTW I checkout out your stuff about grants and they have the same thing for poor white students as well.

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(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
Scholarships for poor minorities who do exceptionally well in school and come from a background in which they would usually not continue on to further education.


As do white people. Bear in mind you're constantly banging on about minorities instead and how its their fault for white people failing at stuff.

Hm.

But not Scholarships for poor whites who do exceptionally well in school and come from a background in which they would usually not continue on to further education.

Wait, what?

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(Original post by Bonged.)
Hm.

But not Scholarships for poor whites who do exceptionally well in school and come from a background in which they would usually not continue on to further education.

Wait, what?

I checked out your stuff and it's bull****. The grants are for disadvantaged students/minorities. It also includes disadvatnaged whites. The same scholarships exist for white people who do exceptionally well. The one thing you've milking no longer has any justification. I'm presuming you'll be moving onto asylum seekers next and how they all get mansions?

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(Original post by chefdave)
I'm calling strawman.

It would be an idea then, to know what is meant by the term.

I did not attack an argument that you did not make - I asked if you meant what you appeared to say, which was

Lets be honest, most men genetically speaking are virtually identical to Brad Pitt, but the reality is that these miniscule variations make the difference between being a multi-millionaire A list moviestar with an immensely beautiful wife, and cleaning the streets of some god-awful inner city on the minimum wage before returning home to your bedsit everynight.

It appears to say that the difference between "being a multi-millionaire A list moviestar with an immensely beautiful wife" and "cleaning the streets of some god-awful inner city on the minimum wage before returning home to your bedsit everynight" is "these miniscule variations".

What did you actually mean then?

(Original post by chefdave)
Your earning potential is influenced by your genetics, yes. If you're born with an amazing mathematical brain or incredible sporting ability you may earn more than someone who lacks these characteristics. Similarly if you're born physically and mentally handicapped a lot of jobs would be impossible. But genetics alone aren't the sole cause of poverty.

No one is born with "an amazing mathematical brain" or "incredible sporting ability". Genes may predispose someone to having the potential to develop these things, but it all depends on how these potentials interact with environment.