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Re: Post Election results and discussionHi, you posted this on the election thread last night before the results come out.(Original post by Rakas21)
Would Labour please confirm their intentions.
Should you come second, would you confirm that you would not seek to depose of the will of the electorate by attempting to form a losing coalition given that in the VoNC you stated that one of the reasons for this election is that as the largest party you had the mandate?
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Re: Post Election results and discussionThe majority of TSR voted against labour. 75% of voters don't want to see another labour government, the will of the electorate is that labour should not be in power and so a coalition with more seats would better represent the electorate.(Original post by davidmarsh01)
Hi, you posted this on the election thread last night before the results come out.
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Re: Post Election results and discussionThat didn't seem to be Rakas' opinion before the results came out.(Original post by Moleman1996)
The majority of TSR voted against labour. 75% of voters don't want to see another labour government, the will of the electorate is that labour should not be in power and so a coalition with more seats would better represent the electorate. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionThe majority of the electorate voted for a left-leaning Government.(Original post by Moleman1996)
The majority of TSR voted against labour. 75% of voters don't want to see another labour government, the will of the electorate is that labour should not be in power and so a coalition with more seats would better represent the electorate. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionThe electorate may want the left, but is the left able to govern?
Lib Dems + Labour = Really? I'd reckon it'd be unworkable what with the massive policy differences and tensions from last term. UKIP and the Tories (plus Libers of course) don't have those problems.
Besides, 14+5=19. You'd need the Socialists.
A right-of-centre minority coalition is looking more and more likely at the moment - it now depends completely on what Rakas, Toronto and J&T do about it.(Original post by Abiraleft)
And I don't speak for the entire party when I say this, and I obviously can't foresee sudden changes, but I'd reckon a coalition at present is unlikely.Last edited by JPKC; 01-04-2012 at 12:52. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionPersonally, I don't think the right of centre are quite so together. I can see the Tories and Libers being together, but I think UKIP have the common sense to see that they're a different type of party with a different type of policy. Unlike the other two, they're a lot more centric, and firmly against the privatisation of the NHS (which is always a good sign
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Re: Post Election results and discussionThe eternal optimist! I still think Labour have less scope for governing - there are both inter- and intra-party divisions in the left at the moment.(Original post by DebatingGreg)
Personally, I don't think the right of centre are quite so together. I can see the Tories and Libers being together, but I think UKIP have the common sense to see that they're a different type of party with a different type of policy. Unlike the other two, they're a lot more centric, and firmly against the privatisation of the NHS (which is always a good sign)
The working with GPs bit could mean something similar to what the Tory health shadow was on about during the election. All parties (except Libers) are ostensibly against "privatising" the NHS.Last edited by JPKC; 01-04-2012 at 13:14. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionI would agree with you there about the privatisation and TSR UKIP. We aim to improve the NHS, but only through extensive consultation with GPs and various NHS groups.(Original post by JPKC)
The eternal optimist! I still think Labour have less scope for governing - there are both inter- and intra-party divisions in the left at the moment.
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Re: Post Election results and discussionSo you wouldn't be in favour of reforms like the ones Lansley has pushed through?(Original post by toronto353)
I would agree with you there about the privatisation and TSR UKIP. We aim to improve the NHS, but only through extensive consultation with GPs and various NHS groups.
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Re: Post Election results and discussionI'd have to have a look at them in more detail and know more about it, but it would be preferable for GPs to be behind any reforms that we initiate.(Original post by JPKC)
So you wouldn't be in favour of reforms like the ones Lansley has pushed through?
Also, any chance of you letting us know whether you'll be getting in on any coalition this week?
UKIP is open to any coalition offers and, if we are to be part of any coalition, it will be revealed in due course.
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Re: Post Election results and discussionTo be honest, I don't think the largest party has any mandate above anyone else. People do not vote for a left-leaning or right-leaning government. People who vote for the Socialists might wish them to stay out of coalition and not compromise any of their principles, for example. People vote to give us seats. What we then do with them is entirely in keeping with the wish of the electorate because the number of MPs allocated and voting on each Bill is in accordance with the electorate.
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Re: Post Election results and discussionI agree a lot of the electorate have compared OUR TSR LD Party with our RL counterparts which they shouldnt have xXedixXx but they you go.Its time to move on and discuss issues that are rather significant to us like the welfare and benefits system,defence etc.(Original post by xXedixXx)
Yeah it really is unfortunate. You guys didn't deserve to lose a seat, again RL opinions of the Lib Dems hit you guys really hard. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionLabour are perfectly fit for governing. Obviously, I wasn't here for last year's apparent chaos, but I believe that any loss of direction in the government was largely remedied by david being the new leader. Hence, we've ran an active election campaign, and received the most votes by a fair margin. That much is undeniable.(Original post by JPKC)
The eternal optimist! I still think Labour have less scope for governing - there are both inter- and intra-party divisions in the left at the moment.
The working with GPs bit could mean something similar to what the Tory health shadow was on about during the election. All parties (except Libers) are ostensibly against "privatising" the NHS.
Furthermore, I know that we have numerous bills in the pipeline , and many more ideas have been proposed over the last few days. A surge of new members, too, means that we will well and truly be a New TSR Labour (I say that with no reference to Blair and his Blairites) with hopefully thriving activity.
In short, Labour is a new and better party which I am proud to join.
"ostensibly against "privatising" the NHS". Are you trying to imply something with your use of the word ostensibly? I'm sure you'll agree that some of the NHS reforms floating around in the election time lacked the needed substance, and often failed to supply the proof, instead trying to push the burden onto us. Therefore, I wouldn't trust the Conservatives with the NHS until I see their complete proposals on a Bill. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionIt's just JPKC - he'll continue to attempt to spread dirt on us even though he has no good reason to, which is why kids and politics don't mix. Just ignore him.(Original post by DebatingGreg)
Labour are perfectly fit for governing. Obviously, I wasn't here for last year's apparent chaos, but I believe that any loss of direction in the government was largely remedied by david being the new leader. Hence, we've ran an active election campaign, and received the most votes by a fair margin. That much is undeniable.
Furthermore, I know that we have numerous bills in the pipeline , and many more ideas have been proposed over the last few days. A surge of new members, too, means that we will well and truly be a New TSR Labour (I say that with no reference to Blair and his Blairites) with hopefully thriving activity.
In short, Labour is a new and better party which I am proud to join.
"ostensibly against "privatising" the NHS". Are you trying to imply something with your use of the word ostensibly? I'm sure you'll agree that some of the NHS reforms floating around in the election time lacked the needed substance, and often failed to supply the proof, instead trying to push the burden onto us. Therefore, I wouldn't trust the Conservatives with the NHS until I see their complete proposals on a Bill. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionI'm not going to cause Mevidek any more chagrin by speculating further, but from what I saw at the end of the last term the Party was in complete disarray in the House (not to mention the very poignant fact that the last Labour Chancellor (allegedly) couldn't wait for a new leader to arrive). I left for a reason, not just to muck about.(Original post by DebatingGreg)
Labour are perfectly fit for governing. Obviously, I wasn't here for last year's apparent chaos, but I believe that any loss of direction in the government was largely remedied by david being the new leader. Hence, we've ran an active election campaign, and received the most votes by a fair margin. That much is undeniable.
Well good! It's what everyone wants to see - no one likes Labour being feckless/inactive.Furthermore, I know that we have numerous bills in the pipeline , and many more ideas have been proposed over the last few days. A surge of new members, too, means that we will well and truly be a New TSR Labour (I say that with no reference to Blair and his Blairites) with hopefully thriving activity.
Exactly - I wouldn't trust the Tories (TSR) or the Lib Dems (TSR) with the NHS."ostensibly against "privatising" the NHS". Are you trying to imply something with your use of the word ostensibly? I'm sure you'll agree that some of the NHS reforms floating around in the election time lacked the needed substance, and often failed to supply the proof, instead trying to push the burden onto us. Therefore, I wouldn't trust the Conservatives with the NHS until I see their complete proposals on a Bill.Last edited by JPKC; 01-04-2012 at 14:28. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionSomebody remembered something I said!(Original post by JPKC)
The eternal optimist! I still think Labour have less scope for governing - there are both inter- and intra-party divisions in the left at the moment.
The working with GPs bit could mean something similar to what the Tory health shadow was on about during the election. All parties (except Libers) are ostensibly against "privatising" the NHS.
Just to make it clear to everyone there isn't a privatisation of the NHS planned by our party. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionI find it funny watching JPKC trying to stress the "differences" between Labour and other parties, clearly in the hope we won't be able to form a coalition. I think someone is more than a little bitter. Thankfully, nobody seems to be falling for it.
@Rakas21; the party itself isn't even sure at the moment. We're mulling things over. -
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Re: Post Election results and discussionWe're perfectly trustworthy(Original post by JPKC)
I'm not going to cause Mevidek any more chagrin by speculating further, but from what I saw at the end of the last term the Party was in complete disarray in the House (not to mention the very poignant fact that the last Labour Chancellor (allegedly) couldn't wait for a new leader to arrive). I left for a reason, not just to muck about.
Well good! It's what everyone wants to see - no one likes Labour being feckless/inactive.
Exactly - I wouldn't trust the Tories (TSR) or the Lib Dems (TSR) with the NHS.
Once again I don't plan on privatising the NHS. The NHS will remain a publicly funded organisation. You will begin to see some of our proposals for the NHS in the form of bills as soon as parliament reopens, regardles of who is in power at that point, in fact a couple are already done.(Original post by DebatingGreg)
Labour are perfectly fit for governing. Obviously, I wasn't here for last year's apparent chaos, but I believe that any loss of direction in the government was largely remedied by david being the new leader. Hence, we've ran an active election campaign, and received the most votes by a fair margin. That much is undeniable.
Furthermore, I know that we have numerous bills in the pipeline , and many more ideas have been proposed over the last few days. A surge of new members, too, means that we will well and truly be a New TSR Labour (I say that with no reference to Blair and his Blairites) with hopefully thriving activity.
In short, Labour is a new and better party which I am proud to join.
"ostensibly against "privatising" the NHS". Are you trying to imply something with your use of the word ostensibly? I'm sure you'll agree that some of the NHS reforms floating around in the election time lacked the needed substance, and often failed to supply the proof, instead trying to push the burden onto us. Therefore, I wouldn't trust the Conservatives with the NHS until I see their complete proposals on a Bill.
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