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Original post by raheem94
Is this your question (x1x)2 \displaystyle \left(x -\frac1{x}\right)^2 ?

For your second question, f(x)=4x36x2+2x \displaystyle f(x) = 4x^3-6x^2+2x
Differentiate f(x), then make the dy/dx =0, because dy/dx is zero at turning points. So by solving it equal to zero you will get the x-coordinates. Now substitute the values you will find for 'x' in the f(x) expression to find the y-coordinates.


Yes, that is the equation. I got x^2 + 2 + 1/x^2 when I opened the brackets, is that right? What is meant by second derivative?

4x^3-6x^2+2x is the dy/dx, what would I sub in, I know when there is a number at the end without x, we just sub all the multiples of that number, but what do we use when it has a x?
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Original post by King-Panther
Yes, that is the equation. I got x^2 + 2 + 1/x^2 when I opened the brackets, is that right? What is meant by second derivative?

4x^3-6x^2+2x is the dy/dx, what would I sub in, I know when there is a number at the end without x, we just sub all the multiples of that number, but what do we use when it has a x?


(x1x)2=x22+1x2 \displaystyle \left(x-\frac1{x}\right)^2 = x^2 -2+\frac1{x^2}

You have made a mistake in you expansion.

Now differentiate the expand expression twice.

e.g. f(x)=(x+1)2=x2+2x+1 \displaystyle f(x) = (x+1)^2 = x^2 +2x +1
Differentiate it twice,
f(x)=2x+2 \displaystyle f'(x) = 2x + 2
f(x)=2 \displaystyle f''(x)=2

f(x) \displaystyle f''(x) is the 2nd derivative.

Now for the next equation,

e.g. f(x)=x2+2x \displaystyle f(x)= x^2 + 2x

We have to find the turning points of f(x).
First differentiate f(x),
f(x)=2x+2 \displaystyle f'(x)=2x+2

Make f'(x) equal to zero,
f(x)=2x+2=0    x=1 \displaystyle f'(x)=2x+2 =0 \implies x=-1

So the turning point is at x=-1, now find the y-coordinate of it,
f(1)=(1)2+2(1)=12=1 \displaystyle f(-1)=(-1)^2+2(-1)=1-2=-1

So the turning point is at, (1,1) \displaystyle (-1, -1)

Now try your questions yourself.
Original post by raheem94
(x1x)2=x22+1x2 \displaystyle \left(x-\frac1{x}\right)^2 = x^2 -2+\frac1{x^2}

You have made a mistake in you expansion.

Now differentiate the expand expression twice.

e.g. f(x)=(x+1)2=x2+2x+1 \displaystyle f(x) = (x+1)^2 = x^2 +2x +1
Differentiate it twice,
f(x)=2x+2 \displaystyle f'(x) = 2x + 2
f(x)=2 \displaystyle f''(x)=2

f(x) \displaystyle f''(x) is the 2nd derivative.

Now for the next equation,

e.g. f(x)=x2+2x \displaystyle f(x)= x^2 + 2x

We have to find the turning points of f(x).
First differentiate f(x),
f(x)=2x+2 \displaystyle f'(x)=2x+2

Make f'(x) equal to zero,
f(x)=2x+2=0    x=1 \displaystyle f'(x)=2x+2 =0 \implies x=-1

So the turning point is at x=-1, now find the y-coordinate of it,
f(1)=(1)2+2(1)=12=1 \displaystyle f(-1)=(-1)^2+2(-1)=1-2=-1

So the turning point is at, (1,1) \displaystyle (-1, -1)

Now try your questions yourself.


My bad, its (x+1/x)

Also, when its x at the end, what do I sub in, in respect to the second equation.
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Original post by King-Panther
My bad, its (x+1/x)

Also, when its x at the end, what do I sub in, in respect to the second equation.


What do you mean by the text in red? I don't get you.
Original post by raheem94
What do you mean by the text in red? I don't get you.


Original equation is y=x ^4-2x^3+x^2

dy/dx= 4x^3-6x^2+2x

what do I sub in to find the turning points?
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Original post by King-Panther
Original equation is y=x ^4-2x^3+x^2

dy/dx= 4x^3-6x^2+2x

what do I sub in to find the turning points?


To find the turning points, make the dy/dx equal to zero.
So you get, 4x^3-6x^2+2x=0
Factorise the LHS, and find the values of 'x'.

Post the question in the maths forum, you can get more help there.
Original post by raheem94
To find the turning points, make the dy/dx equal to zero.
So you get, 4x^3-6x^2+2x=0
Factorise the LHS, and find the values of 'x'.

Post the question in the maths forum, you can get more help there.


What do you mean? I know 1 is a turning point as well as zero and .5 (1/2), is that right?.
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Original post by King-Panther


What do you mean? I know 1 is a turning point as well as zero and .5 (1/2), is that right?.


Yes, it is right, you have figured out the correct turning points.

Now substitute them into, y=x^4-2x^3+x^2, to find their y-coordinate.
Original post by raheem94
Yes, it is right, you have figured out the correct turning points.

Now substitute them into, y=x^4-2x^3+x^2, to find their y-coordinate.


Thanks, I appreciate it...
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Original post by raheem94
Yes, it is right, you have figured out the correct turning points.

Now substitute them into, y=x^4-2x^3+x^2, to find their y-coordinate.


Thanks, I appreciate it...

For Q)17, what do I do?
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Original post by King-Panther
Thanks, I appreciate it...

For Q)17, what do I do?


Sorry, i am busy, so can't help you more.

I hope someone else helps you out.
Original post by raheem94
Sorry, i am busy, so can't help you more.

I hope someone else helps you out.


No problem, thanks anyway.
Original post by King-Panther
No problem, thanks anyway.


Any help with Q)17 please?
Original post by raheem94
Sorry, i am busy, so can't help you more.

I hope someone else helps you out.


Are you free atm?
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Original post by King-Panther
Are you free atm?


Well by taking log of both sides:

logy= log4x^3

Can you think of how to split this up further:

Note: log(ab) = log(a) + log(b)
Original post by f1mad
Well by taking log of both sides:

logy= log4x^3

Can you think of how to split this up further:

Note: log(ab) = log(a) + log(b)


Thanks, its becomes

log y=3 log x + log 4

Which is the equation of the line but what do I plot and why?
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Original post by King-Panther
Thanks, its becomes

log y=3 log x + log 4

Which is the equation of the line but what do I plot and why?


That's right.

Now compare this to a standard straight line equation:

Y = MX + C

Here Y= log y
M= 3

X= log x

C= log 4

You took logs to reduce this to a straight line graph (see above).
Original post by f1mad
That's right.

Now compare this to a standard straight line equation:

Y = MX + C

Here Y= log y
M= 3

X= log x

C= log 4

You took logs to reduce this to a straight line graph (see above).


So I would plot log x against log y????


Also, I'm stuck on Q)10
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Original post by King-Panther
So I would plot log x against log y????


Also, I'm stuck on Q)10


The other way round: log y against log x.

Have you expanded (x+1/x)^2?

It might be less confusing if you let u= 1/x and expand (x+u)^2 then sub 1/x back in.

Then you just need to differentiate twice.
Original post by f1mad
The other way round: log y against log x.

Have you expanded (x+1/x)^2?

It might be less confusing if you let u= 1/x and expand (x+u)^2 then sub 1/x back in.

Then you just need to differentiate twice.


So why would I plot logy against log x, I don't understand?

Yeah, I did and I got x^2 + 2x + 1/x^2

How would I differentiate 1/x^2

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