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Government to monitor your emails, texts and web use

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Original post by Organ
Are you an idiot? This allows the government, without the consent of a magistrate, to look at hugely personal information such as personal emails - and is currently only in place in deeply unpleasant regimes like in Iran and China. DO WE get to read all the emails Cameron and Clegg send? will we get to personally monitor the communications of MI5 and 6? What next, can you not see the gradual erosion of civil liberties in the United Kingdom (and across the Western World?), I can, and it is deeply disturbing. This monitoring is exactly what the free West used to criticise communist countries for - GCHQ will now be our version of the Stasi. Even now "thoughtcrime" is punished more enthusiastically than a lot of real crime. The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems have all supported this in the last few years. What does this say about democracy in Britain?


And you actually think it's going to happen in this country?
the government are welcome to snoop on my illicit activities, im sure facebook, hotmail, twitter, wiki and pornhub will make fascinating reading...
Original post by SloeJim
It wouldn't affect anyone who wasn't suspected of committing a crime though.


And who is it that decides what constitutes a crime? Can you not see why this might be a problem?
Reply 103
Original post by ~Justin~
And you actually think it's going to happen in this country?


Yes, I think the government is determined to grab as many powers as the public allows it to do so, and undermine public participation in the democratic process as much as is possible. Have you not looked around the world? Our great friend the United States is currently murdering it's own citizens with drone attacks without any sort of trial, without even the approval of a magistrate, the CIA has taken actual passport holding citizens of Germany for torture in Afghanistan for "security reasons" and the Americans and her allies in Iraq reduced the city of Fallujah to rubble, as well as using depleted uranium that has caused a surge of birth defects, I do not trust these people one bit, and you should not either. It makes one wonder who is actually running the UK. Labour tried to introduce it against much opposition from the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats front benches (including Cameron and Clegg). Now the Cons/Lib Dems plan to introduce it, also against much opposition. Are the elected officials having their strings pulled by dark forces (unelected officials) within the Home Office and other government-related organisations?

Whether you trust this government with this power the point is, do you trust ALL future governments with this power.
Original post by ~Justin~
And you actually think it's going to happen in this country?


Given what they've managed to get away with over the past decade or so, I wouldn't be surprised.

This is a normal day at 10 Downing Street:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
Reply 105
Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
Given what they've managed to get away with over the past decade or so, I wouldn't be surprised.

This is a normal day at 10 Downing Street:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU


It also wouldn't suprise me if the public allow this to become law.

sleepwalking towards dictatorship...

for the nation that produced Orwell himself, that would be a sad sight to see
Original post by electriic_ink
The government wants to be able to read through all your texts, emails and look at what websites you have been accessing. Despite opposing it during the last government, both the Conservatives and Lib Dems are now in favour of forcing ISPs and mobile phone companies to hand over your private data to them. They'll need to obtain a warrant to look at the content of your emails and texts, although the new legislation would give the government the ability to see who you've been talking to and for how long without even having to go to court.

Of course, this is all for our own protection :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745



Woohoo, can't wait!!
Original post by SloeJim
Are you a terrorist or a criminal? If not they wouldn't give a crap about your internet activity.


I'm neither, so why should I be monitored?
Original post by mikeyd85
I'm neither, so why should I be monitored?


Best post in this thread. So simple, but so right.
Reply 109
I think its hilarious how everyone's outraged and annoyed that this is going to happen. As if they would push this through, could you imagine how bad that would be for them in the long term? Nobody would vote for them.

You're all so gullible, as if they give a crap what a bunch of students are looking at anyway.
(edited 12 years ago)
Reply 110
This is stupid, to say the least - even without going into the breach of human rights etc, with the sheer volume of texts and emails that are sent, it could easily take a week to read through every email and text message sent in one day! The chances of catching a terrorist or criminal are miniscule. :mad:
The UN must have something to say about it. :confused:
Reply 111
Original post by EKR93
I think its hilarious how everyone's outraged and annoyed that this is going to happen. As if they would push this through, could you imagine how bad that would be for them in the long term? Nobody would vote for them.

You're all so gullible, as if they give a crap what a bunch of students are looking at anyway.


Oh right? Like the Iraq War? Like NHS privatisation? Like the Digital Economy Bill? Clarke's proposals against legal aid reform? The changes to the Tribunal Process and the appalling Closed Material Procedures recommendations?

Have you seen what Obama recently signed into law? The National Defence Authorisation Act (NDAA). It authorises the indefinite detention in military custody of US citizens!

This government's total lack of democratic process is affecting all our civil liberties, now and in the future. The Liberal Democrats for example exemplify everything wrong with our parliamentary representatives. Lies, spin and excuses take precedence over listening to their members, voters and the general public. Only a tiny minority is going to believe anything they say anymore...
I am going to open a new account with a generic ISP, to start off with I will visit all the watchlist sites I can find in the hope I get picked up on their radar. After a week of doing this I will stop and set up a dedicated PC to ping Dave Benson Phillip's personal web page once per day at 12:00, a heartbeat, a reminder I am still there.

Some intelligence sap at GCHQ will be watching, wondering why Dave? why at 12:00? Slowly building a relationship with me across the void of the internet. He will check it every day I will become his rock his stone that regular ping he can turn to and tell all his worldy issues, he will come to love that regular blip on the radar more than his wife. More than his children.

And then.

One day.

I will unplug the computer, he will log on at 11:59 prepared to see my next regular visit to the personal site of Dave Benson Phillips. When it fails to happen at 12:00 he will start to sweat, who will listen to his opinions on last nights football? Who will he make jokes to about their god awful manager? Who will he love? It is that moment of loss he will then grow concerned. Is it today? Will he go after Dave today? Before long Dave Benson Phillips will be ushered into government protection, no longer able to provide affordable entertainment as that much loved ex childrens presenter from the 90s. Student gigs up and down the country will be empty and slowly without that loveable smile from Dave society will descend into Anarchy.

During this chaos I will elude the authorities, on the run I will change my name, my hair colour, I will burn my fingerprints off like Will Smith in MiB. It will be well cool.

The intelligence officer will turn to booze at first, in the hope that harsh regular tang of whiskey hitting the back of his throat can replace the piercing ping that visited him at 12:00 everyday. It won't work, who is he kidding? Why did he get involved in this industry in the first place? Perving into the lives of his family friends and countrymen in the vein hope of stopping some never to happen terrorist attack. He wanted to be an astronaut as a kid, where did it all go wrong?

He feels the coldness of the barrel pressing against his temple, he hears the screams of people outside as the 5th day of riots continues on. "Where are you Dave?" they call from below, the echo of his legacy. As he slowly squeezes the trigger his life flashes before his eyes, but at that moment the door is kicked down. A masked figure stands at the door his arm outstretched, a bridge, a way out.

"Follow me, rise up, seize this land for us the people!" I heartily shout.

"It is I! The mysterious pinger on O2's £10 a month broadband" I continue.

His love for me is pure, I am his everything, he follows me outside as we rally the public to our cause. It is not long before the government panics and reveals to us Dave Benson Phillips' location, together we storm to the Lake District and in jubilant celebration raise Dave Benson Phillips onto our shoulders proclaiming him the leader of the people for all eternity! God Save Get Your Own Back!

TL;DR This bill is a load of ****ing *******s.
(edited 12 years ago)
Original post by marshymarsh
I am going to open a new account with a generic ISP, to start off with I will visit all the watchlist sites I can find in the hope I get picked up on their radar. After a week of doing this I will stop and set up a dedicated PC to ping Dave Benson Phillip's personal web page once per day at 12:00, a heartbeat, a reminder I am still there.

Some intelligence sap at GCHQ will be watching, wondering why Dave? why at 12:00? Slowly building a relationship with me across the void of the internet. He will check it every day I will become his rock his stone that regular ping he can turn to and tell all his worldy issues, he will come to love that regular blip on the radar more than his wife. More than his children.

And then.

One day.

I will unplug the computer, he will log on at 11:59 prepared to see my next regular visit to the personal site of Dave Benson Phillips. When it fails to happen at 12:00 he will start to sweat, who will listen to his opinions on last nights football? Who will he make jokes to about their god awful manager? Who will he love? It is that moment of loss he will then grow concerned. Is it today? Will he go after Dave today? Before long Dave Benson Phillips will be ushered into government protection, no longer able to provide affordable entertainment as that much loved ex childrens presenter from the 90s. Student gigs up and down the country will be empty and slowly without that loveable smile from Dave society will descend into Anarchy.

During this chaos I will elude the authorities, on the run I will change my name, my hair colour, I will burn my fingerprints off like Will Smith in MiB. It will be well cool.

The intelligence officer will turn to booze at first, in the hope that harsh regular tang of whiskey hitting the back of his throat can replace the piercing ping that visited him at 12:00 everyday. It won't work, who is he kidding? Why did he get involved in this industry in the first place? Perving into the lives of his family friends and countrymen in the vein hope of stopping some never to happen terrorist attack. He wanted to be an astronaut as a kid, where did it all go wrong?

He feels the coldness of the barrel pressing against his temple, he hears the screams of people outside as the 5th day of riots continues on. "Where are you Dave?" they call from below, the echo of his legacy. As he slowly squeezes the trigger his life flashes before his eyes, but at that moment the door is kicked down. A masked figure stands at the door his arm outstretched, a bridge, a way out.

"Follow me, rise up, seize this land for us the people!" I heartily shout.

"It is I! The mysterious pinger on O2's £10 a month broadband" I continue.

His love for me is pure, I am his everything, he follows me outside as we rally the public to our cause. It is not long before the government panics and reveals to us Dave Benson Phillips' location, together we storm to the Lake District and in jubilant celebration raise Dave Benson Phillips onto our shoulders proclaiming him the leader of the people for all eternity! God Save Get Your Own Back!

TL;DR This bill is a load of ****ing *******s.



Hahahahaha. I'd rep you more than once for this if I could.
Reply 114
Original post by mikeyd85
I'm neither, so why should I be monitored?


You won't be! The monitoring is only for suspects in criminal investigations. Not mundane paranoiacs like you! :tongue:

The only people affected by this would be those that are seen as threats.
When I read about this earlier, my immediate reaction was: what?! How can they do this?! And then: "well, that's bound to get to the ECtHR."

And then I realised they had to have a warrant and I thought, "well, fair's fair really. I have no reason to worry unless I go doing something stupid so I'm going to refrain from complaining this time. :colone:"
Original post by SloeJim
You won't be! The monitoring is only for suspects in criminal investigations. Not mundane paranoiacs like you! :tongue:

The only people affected by this would be those that are seen as threats.


And even if you're wrongly seen as a threat, if you have nothing to hide, you should have no cause for concern really.
Reply 117
Original post by Rascacielos
When I read about this earlier, my immediate reaction was: what?! How can they do this?! And then: "well, that's bound to get to the ECtHR."

And then I realised they had to have a warrant and I thought, "well, fair's fair really. I have no reason to worry unless I go doing something stupid so I'm going to refrain from complaining this time. :colone:"


They do not require a warrant to identify who an individual or group is in contact with, how often and for how long. They would also be able to see which websites someone had visited. A warrant would be required to access the content of emails, calls or messages. So you are incorrect, or being deliberately misleading.
Reply 118
Original post by Organ
Are you an idiot? This allows the government, without the consent of a magistrate, to look at hugely personal information such as personal emails - and is currently only in place in deeply unpleasant regimes like in Iran and China. DO WE get to read all the emails Cameron and Clegg send? will we get to personally monitor the communications of MI5 and 6? What next, can you not see the gradual erosion of civil liberties in the United Kingdom (and across the Western World?), I can, and it is deeply disturbing. This monitoring is exactly what the free West used to criticise communist countries for - GCHQ will now be our version of the Stasi. Even now "thoughtcrime" is punished more enthusiastically than a lot of real crime. The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems have all supported this in the last few years. What does this say about democracy in Britain?


Firstly, the corporations that provide those online services to you can already look at your e-mails, messages, and all that other silly stuff you do online - this bill would not make "private" information any less available, it would only mean that the gov't could see it as well. Besides, only those suspected of doing wrong would be targeted for this kind of thing. Also, it's a myth that only China and Russia do this kind of thing - the US is very keen on it.

If you want private communication then throw away your keyboard and put pen to paper.
Reply 119
Original post by SloeJim
Firstly, the corporations that provide those online services to you can already look at your e-mails, messages, and all that other silly stuff you do online - this bill would not make "private" information any less available, it would only mean that the gov't could see it as well.


Oh right yeah, that's alright then? Phew.

Besides, only those suspected of doing wrong would be targeted for this kind of thing.


"Doing wrong". What is doing wrong? How will future governments define doing wrong? Was your phraseology deliberately Orwellian?

Also, it's a myth that only China and Russia do this kind of thing - the US is very keen on it.


Ah yes, that great bastion of responsible, uncorrupted and accountable government the United States!

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