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Re: uk student to american UNIsAgain, care to point me to the page where it states NYU is need-blind for international students? As thus far, I cannot seem to find such a page(Original post by NYU2012)
You very clearly have no idea about anything related to NYU's admissions process. NYU IS need-blind. Do a simple google search.
Yes and I'm assuming your mother is an American citizen? If so, your post is irrelevant to the debate at present; only a handful of universities in the US are need-blind to internationals.(Original post by lifeisgood.)
My mother turned down Dartmouth and a handful of other schools to go to Brown, because Brown's FA package covered more of he financial need than other schools. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIs...She's Singaporean actually, so it's actually completely relevant to the "debate". As to why you see this series of simple inquiry a "debate", I'll never know.(Original post by MirandaPanda)
Yes and I'm assuming your mother is an American citizen? If so, your post is irrelevant to the debate at present; only a handful of universities in the US are need-blind to internationals. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsYou don't have to get so agitated.(Original post by MirandaPanda)
Again, care to point me to the page where it states NYU is need-blind for international students? As thus far, I cannot seem to find such a page
Yes and I'm assuming your mother is an American citizen? If so, your post is irrelevant to the debate at present; only a handful of universities in the US are need-blind to internationals.
A college can be need-blind and still not meet the full need of accepted applicants. I believe Cornell is another one of those. I can't seem to find it but I haven't looked very hard. Cornell mentions that "in keeping with Ezra Cornell's vision, the university practices "need-blind" admission" and while they do claim to offer full-aid to US citizens, my educated guess is they cannot afford to claim the same for foreign students as well. Which results in Cornell having a need-blind admissions policy for international students and as such, some students who cannot afford to pay are still admitted because of Ezra Cornell's "vision".
One should also note that the office of financial aid and that of admissions is separate...
For international students requiring financial assistance, it makes sense to apply to a lot of schools who meet the "full need" of admitted applicants. While I would have liked to apply to Cornell (they have very good research groups in areas I am interested in and I would have liked to participate in undergrad research there), I will not because I'd rather use the money to apply elsewhere, where I have a higher chance of getting some financial aid, say, Vassar. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsYes but needs blind proposes that if you are given an offer they WILL supply you with the financial aid to attend. For example, Cornell do offer Internationals aid but they are not "needs blind". As a result they will not take into account you're financial status with deciding you're application but may give you an offer with little to no aid accompanied. Where as Harvard, Yale, or Dartmouth will have to supply you with the aid regardless of how much it is if they choose to give you an offer. NYU are not needs blind becuase their financial endowment is not generous enough to supply it. This why you will only find the top (richest) schools supplying "needsblind", schools such as Harvard, Yale, and MIT.(Original post by MirandaPanda)
What? Your sentence above makes no sense whatsoever.
NYU is NOT need-blind for international students (indeed I cannot find any information which states that it is need-blind for internationals, so I have no idea where you've got your information from).
Most importantly however, your post makes no sense. The definition of need-blind is where an applicant's financial status is not taken into account when being considered for admission. It makes NO sense to be need-blind but then not offer full-need to admitted students; so for example, if I need aid of $X to be able to attend NYU, and I'm given an offer b/c NYU is supposedly need-blind, but then not given $X of aid I need to actually attend, its a wasted offer.
A university, including NYU, cannot be "need-blind" and "not meet full-need"; its an utter waste of time and resources.Last edited by mclovin123; 10-04-2012 at 20:57. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsThat is exactly what I've written in my post.(Original post by mclovin123)
Yes but needs blind proposes that if you are given an offer they WILL supply you with the financial aid to attend. For example, Cornell do offer Internationals aid but they are not "needs blind". As a result they will not take into account you're financial status with deciding you're application but may give you an offer with little to no aid accompanied. Where as Harvard, Yale, or Dartmouth will have to supply you with the aid regardless of how much it is if they choose to give you an offer. NYU are not needs blind becuase their financial endowment is not generous enough to supply it. This why you will only find the top (richest) schools supplying "needsblind", schools such as Harvard, Yale, and MIT. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsBut that's false - a university can be need-blind and not meet full need. I.e. NYU is need-blind but does not guarantee that it will meet anywhere close to full need. For example, there are people who get in who have an EFC of $0 and receive no financial aid whatsoever.(Original post by MirandaPanda)
That is exactly what I've written in my post.
There's a difference between need-blind and full-need. A full-need school will meet 100% of need and be either need-blind or need-aware. A need-blind school need not be full-need, as is the case with NYU.Last edited by NYU2012; 11-04-2012 at 04:08. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsBut that's false. NYU is, in fact, need-blind. However, when you apply, they make it very obvious that they will not meet full-need.(Original post by mclovin123)
Yes but needs blind proposes that if you are given an offer they WILL supply you with the financial aid to attend. For example, Cornell do offer Internationals aid but they are not "needs blind". As a result they will not take into account you're financial status with deciding you're application but may give you an offer with little to no aid accompanied. Where as Harvard, Yale, or Dartmouth will have to supply you with the aid regardless of how much it is if they choose to give you an offer. NYU are not needs blind becuase their financial endowment is not generous enough to supply it. This why you will only find the top (richest) schools supplying "needsblind", schools such as Harvard, Yale, and MIT. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsActually, I believe Harvard Med School after room + board + fees is over $70,000 . I haven't actually looked, but I know that NYU Law, NYU Med, Columbia Law and Columbia Med are all $70,000-$75,000/yr. I would assume Harvard is in the same range.(Original post by Gary Barlow)
Honestly how do people afford to go to American unis. Harvard medicine is over $50000 a year?
Is it all loaned, or scholarships? Always been fascinated by it.
It's government help + LOTS of loans. People who graduate from Med school or Law schools are in TONS of debt typically. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsI think it's because they're spoiled for choice. When you've got the best and brightest applying for your university, you know everyone's academically capable enough, so you end up using the extracurriculars to discriminate between candidates.(Original post by RocknRap)
Unlike UK uni's which only really care about academics, top US uni's love extra-curriculars, especially if they're at a top level. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsNot really.(Original post by Tabris)
I think it's because they're spoiled for choice. When you've got the best and brightest applying for your university, you know everyone's academically capable enough, so you end up using the extracurriculars to discriminate between candidates.
In general, their definition of "best and brightest" does not equate to having perfect grades. Lots of people here got rejected from the ivy league universities, with a few of them having straight A* or great scores on the IB. Does this mean that everybody who did receive an offer had excellent grades + ECs? I have a friend who got into Brown and they haven't even done their A-Levels yet.
It's not a competition about who's more involved in so and so extracurricular activities, nor is it as straightforward as doing a few things and getting in. (although that is the case when one goes lower down the rankings but if one wants financial aid, they aren't going to find it there!) No one knows what to do to get in because there is no exact formula. As a rule of thumb, one needs to have good enough grades, SAT scores and a few extracurricular activities that they participate in. That's the bare minimum to know you've got a shot at that 75 dollar lottery. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsExactly; Colleges like Harvard/MIT can pretty much fill their entire entering classes with perfect 2400 applicants, so they choose to take EC's into account too, as their flush with choice frankly.(Original post by Tabris)
I think it's because they're spoiled for choice. When you've got the best and brightest applying for your university, you know everyone's academically capable enough, so you end up using the extracurriculars to discriminate between candidates. -
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Re: uk student to american UNIsWondered if you know how A-level would be converted to GPA(as in GPA for high school)! I saw a thread here in TSR where they actually explained it but when I do the calculation it just goes above 4 and that doesn't seem right!(Original post by MirandaPanda)
Exactly; Colleges like Harvard/MIT can pretty much fill their entire entering classes with perfect 2400 applicants, so they choose to take EC's into account too, as their flush with choice frankly.
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Re: uk student to american UNIsNYU is one of the world's leading research universities. We are world renown for business, law, philosophy, political methodology, economics, sex and gender studies, mathematics (especially applied mathematics) and social psychology -- just to name a few. And, Tisch School of the Arts is considered to be the best of its kind in the US.(Original post by Sharri5)
This convo is ridic. NYU is a suck school
You very clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: uk student to american UNIs(Original post by NYU2012)
NYU is one of the world's leading research universities. We are world renown for business, law, philosophy, political methodology, economics, sex and gender studies, mathematics (especially applied mathematics) and social psychology -- just to name a few. And, Tisch School of the Arts is considered to be the best of its kind in the US.
You very clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Reds gonna red is all I have to say.
