Match Thread - Barcelona v Milan
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanYou may not want to take me serously, but if you thought the second was a penalty then you just stupid. Better you dont adress me.(Original post by Bryci)
Not going to take you seriously since well your a troll.
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanYou are being WUMed(Original post by Bryci)
Not going to take you seriously since well your a troll.
You referring to the two penalties that were given? They were penalties though.
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanStop talking crap! The first penalty was certainly controversial and the second was not a penalty by any means! Whether it was a foul or not the ball wasn't in play and it should not have been a penalty. If someone fouls in the box before a corner is taken they either get a warning or a card and then they reset to take the corner, a penalty should not be given. And that's only of there was a clear foul, which there wasn't as there were 3 players wrestling. The worse the ref should have given was a warning!!!!(Original post by Bryci)
I think i may be how people dont think it was a penalty is ridiculous the law states it is its just many people get away with it and well this time they didnt. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanThat's a combination of two teams so they would be better. I think Capello's Milan was better than Saachi's Milan (in terms of success, although Saachi's were much better on the eye). But this Barcelona team are better than them success-wise and on the eye, and they still have a year or two to go.(Original post by Kevmeister)
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanIt was a penalty, it's just that referees don't give it because if they did there would be ten penalties per match. Pulling someone is a penalty.(Original post by darkshadow1111)
You may not want to take me serously, but if you thought the second was a penalty then you just stupid. Better you dont adress me. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanSame era, you're kind of nitpicking if you want to separate out the individual teams. Saachi won two European Cups in a row, and his team were the last team to do so. And I'd hardly say Capello's Milan of that time were not easy on the eye, see highlights of the 94 European Cup for proof. They demolished Barca.(Original post by Mastermind`)
That's a combination of two teams so they would be better. I think Capello's Milan was better than Saachi's Milan (in terms of success, although Saachi's were much better on the eye). But this Barcelona team are better than them success-wise and on the eye, and they still have a year or two to go.
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanThat is my point. Nowadays no referee will give that thus the reason for me saying it wasnt a penalty. Anyway puyol was pulling the guy as-well, why wasn't a free kick given against him?(Original post by KingMessi)
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanBut it's a fallacious one. It doesn't mean it's 'not a penalty' according to the Laws of the Game, it means that referees don't apply the aforementioned Laws correctly. Puyol was indeed pulling the player, which means it becomes a judgement call. It was 50-50, but the reaction of some people on here is utterly absurd. There was enough there for a penalty to be a legitimate decision.(Original post by darkshadow1111)
That is my point. Nowadays no referee will give that thus the reason for me saying it wasnt a penalty. Anyway puyol was pulling the guy as-well, why wasn't a free kick given against him? -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanTBH i don't think our reaction was totally absurd, Because as you said you hardly see them decisions given and the fact that a foul could have easily been given against puyol makes it worse. Our reaction is based on the fact that the entire match was changed by a "soft" penalty.(Original post by KingMessi)
But it's a fallacious one. It doesn't mean it's 'not a penalty' according to the Laws of the Game, it means that referees don't apply the aforementioned Laws correctly. Puyol was indeed pulling the player, which means it becomes a judgement call. It was 50-50, but the reaction of some people on here is utterly absurd. There was enough there for a penalty to be a legitimate decision. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanHow was that first penalty controversial?(Original post by Foghorn Leghorn)
Stop talking crap! The first penalty was certainly controversial and the second was not a penalty by any means! Whether it was a foul or not the ball wasn't in play and it should not have been a penalty. If someone fouls in the box before a corner is taken they either get a warning or a card and then they reset to take the corner, a penalty should not be given. And that's only of there was a clear foul, which there wasn't as there were 3 players wrestling. The worse the ref should have given was a warning!!!!Last edited by Illusionary; 04-04-2012 at 01:40. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanWhich, as I'll repeat again, means nothing but referees don't apply the Laws of the Game properly. 'Soft' doesn't mean 'not a penalty'. Harsh, perhaps, but not incorrect; ergo, no injustice there. Far more incorrect was the foul on Ibrahimovic, which was categorically a penalty.(Original post by darkshadow1111)
TBH i don't think our reaction was totally absurd, Because as you said you hardly see them decisions given and the fact that a foul could have easily been given against puyol makes it worse. Our reaction is based on the fact that the entire match was changed by a "soft" penalty. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanActually your the one talking rubbish. The first one was so clearly a penalty you either must be blind or Mourinho to not see it. Second penalty was a penalty as well you just dont see it given as much but in the laws of the game its a penalty and therefore the refs are not applying it properly. You can argue Milan should have had a penalty which i will agree with. Cant remember if it was ibrahimovic or robinho that got tripped in the box.(Original post by Foghorn Leghorn)
Stop talking crap! The first penalty was certainly controversial and the second was not a penalty by any means! Whether it was a foul or not the ball wasn't in play and it should not have been a penalty. If someone fouls in the box before a corner is taken they either get a warning or a card and then they reset to take the corner, a penalty should not be given. And that's only of there was a clear foul, which there wasn't as there were 3 players wrestling. The worse the ref should have given was a warning!!!!Last edited by Malevolent; 03-04-2012 at 23:52. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanRight fair enough the first one but the second was ridiculous. There was no way the ref should have called a penalty. The only reason he gave it was because its barca, any other team and the red would have looked the other way. Had it been Milan the ref would have called for diving.(Original post by johnharris19944)
Actually your the one talking crap. The first one was so clearly a penalty you either must be blind or Mourinho to not see it. Second penalty was a penalty as well you just dont see it given as much but in the laws of the game its a penalty and therefore the refs are not applying it properly. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanIt's not nit-picking at all. It'd be the equivalent of me combining Rijkaard's 2006 CL-winning team and Guardiola's 2009 CL-winning team and saying because they're from the same era they're the same team. We're talking about two largely different teams (only the back-line remained the same in AC Milan's case) by two different managers with two different approaches - Sacchi loved his attacking football, Capello was far more defensive. Sacchi won two European Cups in a row but during his time at AC Milan they only won one Serie A title (I'd say let's count it from 1987 when he took over), Capello managed to win Serie A titles and win the CL/reach the CL final.(Original post by Kevmeister)
Same era, you're kind of nitpicking if you want to separate out the individual teams. Saachi won two European Cups in a row, and his team were the last team to do so. And I'd hardly say Capello's Milan of that time were not easy on the eye, see highlights of the 94 European Cup for proof. They demolished Barca.
In 5/6 years from 89-94 Milan were simply imperious. 3 European Cups, and an unbeaten run in the league.
Capello's Milan demolished Barca but that wasn't what they were usually about, their game was based on stiffling opponents. In the 1993/1994 season they only scored 35 goals (even some of the relegated sides scored as many as that) and only conceded 15 all season. “We played an almost perfect game. We completely stifled opponents and gave them almost nothing." - Maldini -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanWell, I'd say Barca have been great for 7-8 years and that Rijkaard deserves some credit, while not discrediting anything that Guardiola has achieved.(Original post by Mastermind`)
It's not nit-picking at all. It'd be the equivalent of me combining Rijkaard's 2006 CL-winning team and Guardiola's 2009 CL-winning team and saying because they're from the same era they're the same team. We're talking about two largely different teams (only the back-line remained the same in AC Milan's case) by two different managers with two different approaches - Sacchi loved his attacking football, Capello was far more defensive. Sacchi won two European Cups in a row but during his time at AC Milan they only won one Serie A title (I'd say let's count it from 1987 when he took over), Capello managed to win Serie A titles and win the CL/reach the CL final.
Capello's Milan demolished Barca but that wasn't what they were usually about, their game was based on stiffling opponents. In the 1993/1994 season they only scored 35 goals (even some of the relegated sides scored as many as that) and only conceded 15 all season. “We played an almost perfect game. We completely stifled opponents and gave them almost nothing." - Maldini
Let's just put it this way, I'd rank the Milan team of the late 80s and early-mid 90s above this current Barca team. They played some imperious football, and I don't care if 1-0 was the perfect result for them, they ultimately stepped up when called upon. Perhaps best to agree to disagree - you seem to value aesthetics whereas I couldn't give a hoot about them. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanUnder Guardiola Barcelona are a compeletely different team - better pressing, better on the ball and the individuals at the forefront of the success are different. This isn't about laying the groundwork, or who deserves the credit for the foundations, this is about separating which team is which. I don't know anyone who counts the Rijkaard and Guardiola teams as one or counts the Capello and Sacchi teams as one without making a distinction.(Original post by Kevmeister)
Well, I'd say Barca have been great for 7-8 years and that Rijkaard deserves some credit, while not discrediting anything that Guardiola has achieved.
Let's just put it this way, I'd rank the Milan team of the late 80s and early-mid 90s above this current Barca team. They played some imperious football, and I don't care if 1-0 was the perfect result for them, they ultimately stepped up when called upon. Perhaps best to agree to disagree - you seem to value aesthetics whereas I couldn't give a hoot about them.
With phrases like 'imperious football', valuing aesthetics is exactly what you're doing. It's not my style to get snobbish over styles of play, teams can play how they want to play, but you indicated that AC Milan were easy on the eye so I tried to prove my point, don't twist it on me now. This isn't about me valuing aesthetics, my point was that the two coaches had a distinct way of playing. Fact is, Barca have won 2 CLs in 3 years and I'd be surprised not to see them at least in the final. And if they win it it'll have been 3 CLs in 4 years. I'm no Barca fanboyo, or whatever they call them, but credit where it's due: this is an outstanding team and the greatest team ever, potentially. -
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Re: Match Thread - Barcelona v MilanLook back a few pages, and Mess put Saachi's and Capello's Milan together. A lot of people rank that era's Milan as the greatest to grace the football world.(Original post by Mastermind`)
Under Guardiola Barcelona are a compeletely different team - better pressing, better on the ball and the individuals at the forefront of the success are different. This isn't about laying the groundwork, or who deserves the credit for the foundations, this is about separating which team is which. I don't know anyone who counts the Rijkaard and Guardiola teams as one or counts the Capello and Sacchi teams as one without making a distinction.
With phrases like 'imperious football', valuing aesthetics is exactly what you're doing. It's not my style to get snobbish over styles of play, teams can play how they want to play, but you indicated that AC Milan were easy on the eye so I tried to prove my point, don't twist it on me now. This isn't about me valuing aesthetics, my point was that the two coaches had a distinct way of playing. Fact is, Barca have won 2 CLs in 3 years and I'd be surprised not to see them at least in the final. And if they win it it'll have been 3 CLs in 4 years. I'm no Barca fanboyo, or whatever they call them, but credit where it's due: this is an outstanding team and the greatest team ever, potentially.
No, imperious doesn't necessarily mean beautiful or whatever other way you choose to describe x or y. Imperious to me means in control, and that Maldini quote from your previous post is what I'm talking about. A 1-0 win can be beautiful too. Capello's Milan were possession based moreso than ultimately defensive. You leveled a 'defensive' charge against Milan, but for example when Milan won Serie A in 93 they scored 2 fewer goals than Utd, and conceded more, but actually played less games. Would you call Utd defensive? I doubt it.
Real won two CL's in three seasons under Del Bosque, and that team was definitely more aesthetically pleasing than Barca in their present state.
