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The Manchester United Thread IX

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    Just seen the highlights from your game on Sky Player.

    Credit Mignolet, he made a cracking double save from Scholes & Giggs, though Rooney should definitely have scored more.
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    David Gill's statement if anyones interested.

    David Gill admits he is still recovering from the devastating blow in the title race but has stressed that moves are already afoot to bring in new players during the summer.

    The chief executive has confirmed there is cash for Sir Alex Ferguson to spend to improve his squad and targets have already been identified.

    “It turned into a very difficult afternoon but that’s football for you,” said Gill, recalling Sunday's events. “We’ve had a great season, got 89 points and the title has never been decided on goal difference before. All the players and staff can be very proud of what they’ve achieved.

    “I do think everyone at the club, from Alex down, agree we underperformed in Europe this year. We felt confident of getting out of our Champions League group and the Europa League was new for us and took some getting used to. But it demonstrates the high standards set for this club.

    “The very fact we finished second and no team has come second with 89 points means we’ve got a lot to be proud of. We’ve got to move on and I’m sure we’ll come back fighting next year.”

    When discussing moves on the transfer front, the chief executive is awaiting developments over the course of the summer.

    “The manager, Jim Lawlor and the scouting team, everyone is looking at it and discuss it throughout the period,” he explained. “Obviously, the work intensifies now in terms of actually doing deals and we’ve identified players so let’s see what happens.

    “It’s a 365-day-a-year job that talent is always on our radar but the paperwork is done in the close season and transfer window – we can sort out the deals beforehand and get them moving.”

    In terms of competition from Manchester City at the head of the market, he replied: “We have to sell what this club is about. We still pay very well in terms of transfer fees and wages. City have raised the bar again and we’ve seen what they’re prepared to pay for players and to players but we’ll see what’s happening with the financial fair play and how that’s implemented and what the sanctions are going to be.

    “It’s interesting. We should recognise we’re a very successful club, one of the top three in terms of turnover in world football and it generates a lot of cash to invest in players. We will continue to do so and our style is both buying players and giving youth a chance.

    “Without doubt [there is money to spend]. We recognise we spent quite a bit of money last summer when we bought Phil Jones, David De Gea and Ashley Young and we understand that. I think we’ll be looking in the next few months and there could be some interesting developments.

    “Come August, we’ll have got new players, had the Euros, the players will be back, we will have been on tour and start again. That’s the beauty of football. Everyone starts on zero points and we’ve got to step up to the mark and do well.”
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    David Gill's statement if anyones interested.
    If David Gill told me the sky was blue at this point I'd check out the window to make sure.
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    (Original post by IanDangerously)
    If David Gill told me the sky was blue at this point I'd check out the window to make sure.
    Think I would too.
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    German's leading sports magazine Kicker is reporting that Kagawa flew to Manchester last night with his agent for negotiations with United officials after rejecting Borussia Dortmund’s final offer.
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    Hazard to City & Kagawa to Utd looks like the most likely moves.
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    :teehee:
    That was from Rooney's fake twitter account.
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    Unlucky on the title boys, have come to accept our rivalry with you isn't what it once was and would probably rather have seen you lift the trophy than City. If you can get hold of Kagawa and a couple of other players (I heard Fergie was supposedly looking at Piszczek too?) I reckon you'll be a lot stronger going into next season, not sure it'll be strong enough to keep up with City but there's no doubt you'll be there or thereabouts again. :yy:

    (Original post by marcusmerehay)
    Rooney should definitely have scored more.
    I've felt that this has been the case a fair few times I've watched Utd lately - his positioning and service can be excellent but the final product is often lacking.

    Is this a common theme in his play of late or just a coincidence that it's happened more frequently when I've watched you guys?
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    Im loving all the Teves love from the City fans. It was not long ago they were calling for his head! Fickle.

    Looks like Kagawa might be joining then. A step in the right direction

    Another mid and Vidic back from injury could really put us in for the next title and a good run in the Champions League.
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    (Original post by JK.)
    Unlucky on the title boys, have come to accept our rivalry with you isn't what it once was and would probably rather have seen you lift the trophy than City. If you can get hold of Kagawa and a couple of other players (I heard Fergie was supposedly looking at Piszczek too?) I reckon you'll be a lot stronger going into next season, not sure it'll be strong enough to keep up with City but there's no doubt you'll be there or thereabouts again. :yy:



    I've felt that this has been the case a fair few times I've watched Utd lately - his positioning and service can be excellent but the final product is often lacking.

    Is this a common theme in his play of late or just a coincidence that it's happened more frequently when I've watched you guys?
    He is capable, but seems very rarely to be in that zone of concentration you need to to be in to capitalise on every half-chance that comes your way as a forward - he normally has it until he scores the first goal (as against Sunderland) and then it's as if he knows he doesn't have to score and suddenly his finishing just becomes less clinical. It's very strange. Or, for example, if we are behind by say 2 goals, and he gets the opportunity, he will almost certainly score, but if we're 2-0 up he seems less likely to put one away. I guess he just lacks that truly ruthless streak in front of goal that some players are blessed with - truth is he could have scored 4 goals the other day but only scored 1 (Hit the bar, missed from 4 yards out, one-on-one with the keeper + the goal he did score). Of those chances I think he should definitely have scored from close range (the finish was sloppy for someone of his standards, he was trying to be too clever and it backfired) and should probably have scored in the one-on-one, though in fairness to the keeper he did very well in that situation, came out quick and made himself big, and Rooney also had a few defenders breathing down his neck. SAF said it himself the other day - we miss far too many chances, we're too charitable to our opponents. I'm really hoping that next season Welbeck will have improved his finishing and Hernandez will find a bit of form, but I'd also love to see Rooney be truly ruthless in front of goal - I think he has all the attributes to bag 30+ goals a season in the league alone. I mean, he wasn't far off this season and if he'd scored those chances on Sunday would have been level with Van Persie on 30 - but perhaps because we have played him in a more withdrawn role behind the striker this year he has felt it is not his primary responsibility to score goals. Above everything else I just feel Rooney hasn't hit the ceiling of his potential yet, and I keep hoping that he will have a season where everything really comes together for him.
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    (Original post by MancBoy)
    ...Im loving all the Teves love from the City fans. It was not long ago they were calling for his head! ...
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    (Original post by JK.)
    Is this a common theme in his play of late or just a coincidence that it's happened more frequently when I've watched you guys?
    Very common. Hes not a natural finisher

    Kagawa would be a terrific buy but I'm guessing Arsenal will also be in the hunt for him. Gutted to be losing out on M'Vila. Pogbas agent saying hes nearing a move
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    (Original post by JK.)
    I've felt that this has been the case a fair few times I've watched Utd lately - his positioning and service can be excellent but the final product is often lacking.

    Is this a common theme in his play of late or just a coincidence that it's happened more frequently when I've watched you guys?
    Rooney's strength is his movement. His awareness and manipulation of space is incredible, he's portrayed as an idiot off the field and but on the field he's actually remarkably intelligent. It's the main reason for his versatility, he has led the line and played as a playmaking forward (verging on attacking midfielder) and hasn't been too far off the best in the world in either position. Filled in at CM and on the wing with great effect too.

    But he doesn't really have an outstanding technical attribute. He's a good finisher but it's a bit patchy, how often he takes chances seems to vary throughout the season. Similarly he's a good passer, capable of the spectacular but also capable of misplacing simple passes.

    It did feel like he was missing more chances towards the end of the season but he's not consistently clinical in the same way that, say, Van Persie is. I'm not as shocked when I see Rooney miss a sitter than if Van Persie/Gomez did. It's his movement that puts him up around that level.
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    (Original post by Akkuz)
    Hazard to City & Kagawa to Utd looks like the most likely moves.
    I'm quite glad we aren't going for Hazard. He seems to have quite the attitude + we have enough wingers. Dortmund confirmed today that Kagawa's not signing a new contract. I would much rather Götze though. Kagawa was invisible before Götze got injured.

    With Fergie being at the final between Bayern and Dortmund. Reports suggest he was looking at Hummels, Kagawa and Lewondowski. I'd love Hummels, would rate him as one of the best CB's in football today.
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    (Original post by AndersonsBentFoot)
    Very common. Hes not a natural finisher

    Kagawa would be a terrific buy but I'm guessing Arsenal will also be in the hunt for him. Gutted to be losing out on M'Vila. Pogbas agent saying hes nearing a move
    With that in mind, is Kagawa really the best use of your funds? I imagine he'd be fielded as a CAM with Rooney pushed further forward, wouldn't it be better to keep Rooney as a centre forward that comes deep and buy a better striker than Welbeck for him to play off?

    I'd love to think we were in for Kagawa but I doubt we'd stand any chance up against you anyway. Don't think M'Vila's committed anywhere yet, certainly not to us, I reckon there's a good chance he'll be up there as one of the top mids in Europe within a couple of seasons so he'd be a great buy for whoever gets their hands on him.
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    (Original post by CM Monk)
    I'm quite glad we aren't going for Hazard. He seems to have quite the attitude + we have enough wingers. Dortmund confirmed today that Kagawa's not signing a new contract. I would much rather Götze though. Kagawa was invisible before Götze got injured.

    With Fergie being at the final between Bayern and Dortmund. Reports suggest he was looking at Hummels, Kagawa and Lewondowski. I'd love Hummels, would rate him as one of the best CB's in football today.
    Imagine :daydreaming:
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    We wont get Hummels or Lewondowski, thats just Daily Mail rubbish.

    Kagawa is a front runner, along with Clyne as full back probably. The final transfer we'l make is a mystery one.
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    Will it annoy people if i say Rooney actually has a slightly higher chance conversion rate than RVP ? (and the same shooting accuracy) and RVP has missed quite a lot more clear cut chances :holmes: . Just to .. ya know.. through some stats out there for the 'clinical finishing' discussion.
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