[pol pot noodles]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
And how many did Welbeck get of them? 12. Not enough considering he plays for a top-two team. Look at the likes of Demba Ba, Pappis Cisse who are MILES better. If we had somebody like them spear-heading our attack I guarentee we would have walked to the title.

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Holy cow you are a moron. I repeat again, United scored 89 in the league. We don't need to rely on any striker to score goals. Our entire team chips in. We also don't need Cisse or Demba Ba to spearhead our attack, because we have Rooney. Rooney is our main striker, not Welbeck. Welbecks goals are handy, but he is not our main striker. What do you not understand about that?

[Akkuz]

Kagawa scored a decent goal against Jordan.

Good finishing.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/goals/w...out-jordan-60/

[River85]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
That's cos Wales never qualified. And Cole was unlucky in the sense of other top strikers i.e. Shearer, Sherringham.

To be fair, and for whatever reason, Andy Cole never performed at international level even when given the chance. One goal in 18 games I think? Yet he was still an excellent goal scorer in the Premier League and Europe for both Newcastle and us (and when at Blackburn, playing for an inferior team in his 30s, his return was still reasonably decent).

That Kagawa, or indeed any player, wasn't selected for a world cup means little.

I would prefer Keinsuke Honda to Kagawa tbh.

Eurgh.

(Original post by cheetahs56)
And how many did Welbeck get of them? 12. Not enough considering he plays for a top-two team. Look at the likes of Demba Ba, Pappis Cisse who are MILES better. If we had somebody like them spear-heading our attack I guarentee we would have walked to the title.

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He's still a young player at 21. Thirteen goals in your first season as a Manchester United regular, at the age of 21, isn't a horrendous return. He has potential and needs the game time to develop. A little bit of work on his composure and finishing and he could be a great player.

Edit: - To put that into perspective Cole managed only 11 league goals in 1995-1996, his first full season with us, and then only six the following season and at an older age than Welbeck. This might be slightly misleading, as he was prolific at Newcastle and did have his injury problems, and he did regain his form in 1998 and soon became an integral part of a treble winning team, but my point is you need to show patience particularly for a young player.

[rohitbd]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...4m-move-867908

Apparently we are looking at strootman, would love him to come to United exactly type of player needed, we might get to see him for holland today, though Milan are after him apparently, has to be talented to break through to the Dutch midfield though, at 22 he looks to be a much more realistic target at around 15-20mil compared to Modric, and a better fit.

[cheetahs56]

(Original post by pol pot noodles)
Holy cow you are a moron. I repeat again, United scored 89 in the league. We don't need to rely on any striker to score goals. Our entire team chips in. We also don't need Cisse or Demba Ba to spearhead our attack, because we have Rooney. Rooney is our main striker, not Welbeck. Welbecks goals are handy, but he is not our main striker. What do you not understand about that?

Obviously I understand that, but Welbeck is far too wasteful and lacks that cutting edge. And don't play the 'he is young still' card because Rooney was world-class at his age and Chicharito scored 20-odd goals in his 1st season in England.

Just another highly-overrated English player. If this is the best talent we have when other countries have players such as Neymar, Ganso, Lucas, Thiago Alacantra, Tello then we are in DEEP trouble...

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[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
Obviously I understand that, but Welbeck is far too wasteful and lacks that cutting edge. And don't play the 'he is young still' card because Rooney was world-class at his age and Chicharito scored 20-odd goals in his 1st season in England.

Just another highly-overrated English player. If this is the best talent we have when other countries have players such as Neymar, Ganso, Lucas, Thiago Alacantra, Tello then we are in DEEP trouble...

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I'm much more concerned by our clueless fans.

[cheetahs56]

(Original post by River85)
To be fair, and for whatever reason, Andy Cole never performed at international level even when given the chance. One goal in 18 games I think? Yet he was still an excellent goal scorer in the Premier League and Europe for both Newcastle and us (and when at Blackburn, playing for an inferior team in his 30s, his return was still reasonably decent).

That Kagawa, or indeed any player, wasn't selected for a world cup means little.



Eurgh.



He's still a young player at 21. Thirteen goals in your first season as a Manchester United regular, at the age of 21, isn't a horrendous return. He has potential and needs the game time to develop. A little bit of work on his composure and finishing and he could be a great player.

Edit: - To put that into perspective Cole managed only 11 league goals in 1995-1996, his first full season with us, and then only six the following season and at an older age than Welbeck. This might be slightly misleading, as he was prolific at Newcastle and did have his injury problems, and he did regain his form in 1998 and soon became an integral part of a treble winning team, but my point is you need to show patience particularly for a young player.

Compare that with Neymar, Lucas, Rodrigo Tello and shows that age doesn't matter as they are MILES MILES better than him.

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[Rafa]

(Original post by rohitbd)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...4m-move-867908

Apparently we are looking at strootman, would love him to come to United exactly type of player needed, we might get to see him for holland today, though Milan are after him apparently, has to be talented to break through to the Dutch midfield though, at 22 he looks to be a much more realistic target at around 15-20mil compared to Modric, and a better fit.

Hope it's true.

[DaveSmith99]

Strootman would be a fantastic buy

[pol pot noodles]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
Obviously I understand that, but Welbeck is far too wasteful and lacks that cutting edge. And don't play the 'he is young still' card because Rooney was world-class at his age and Chicharito scored 20-odd goals in his 1st season in England.

Just another highly-overrated English player. If this is the best talent we have when other countries have players such as Neymar, Ganso, Lucas, Thiago Alacantra, Tello then we are in DEEP trouble...

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No one has said Welbeck is the best talent we have. No one has said that Welbeck is world class. You're 'debating' points that no one is making. Rooney was a prodigy and you've obviously been spoilt by this season if you think every striker should be getting 20 goals a season.
All anyone has ever said is that Welbeck is young, has potential and can hold his own in the Utd squad. Nothing more.

[Rafa]

(Original post by Louis.)
Personally I think it can work either way, Carrick's game is balanced to the point where he'll be able to forge an effective partnership with pretty much any type of midfielder.

Spot on mate

[cheetahs56]

(Original post by pol pot noodles)
No one has said Welbeck is the best talent we have. No one has said that Welbeck is world class. You're 'debating' points that no one is making. Rooney was a prodigy and you've obviously been spoilt by this season if you think every striker should be getting 20 goals a season.
All anyone has ever said is that Welbeck is young, has potential and can hold his own in the Utd squad. Nothing more.

Hold his own? United have built a legacy of world-class players coming through or being bought young and developed here. Look at Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville, Keane. Now look at Welbeck. Enough Said.

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[Saf94]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
Obviously I understand that, but Welbeck is far too wasteful and lacks that cutting edge. And don't play the 'he is young still' card because Rooney was world-class at his age and Chicharito scored 20-odd goals in his 1st season in England.

Just another highly-overrated English player. If this is the best talent we have when other countries have players such as Neymar, Ganso, Lucas, Thiago Alacantra, Tello then we are in DEEP trouble...

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List of players and how many goals they scored in all comps when they were 21

Torres 13
Messi 13
Tevez 12
Drogba 7
Van Persie 6

The awkward moment when your argument is proven wrong...

[cheetahs56]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
I'm much more concerned by our clueless fans.

Yeah same. If you think Welbeck can lead us to glory you need a SERIOUS reality check.

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[cheetahs56]

(Original post by Saf94)
List of players and how many goals they scored in all comps when they were 21

Torres 13
Messi 13
Tevez 12
Drogba 7
Van Persie 6

The awkward moment when your argument is proven wrong...

Times have changed, games have more goals and Welbeck misses many chances when he should really score.

Lucas?
Neymar?
Ganso?
Thiago?
Tello?
Eduardo Vargas?
Munain?
Dzageov?

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[Saf94]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
Times have changed, games have more goals and Welbeck misses many chances when he should really score.

Lucas?
Neymar?
Ganso?
Thiago?
Tello?
Eduardo Vargas?
Munain?
Dzageov?

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Times havent changed, some players peak early some players take longer to develop. Van Persie wasn't always as good a finisher as he is now, only the last few years has he become this good. Welbeck will develop and get better. Not every player develops in the same way.

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
Yeah same. If you think Welbeck can lead us to glory you need a SERIOUS reality check.

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Yeah, daft people for believing that a 21 year old kid, who has shown nothing but quality this season will ever be a good player.

[cheetahs56]

(Original post by Saf94)
Times havent changed, some players peak early some players take longer to develop. Van Persie wasn't always as good a finisher as he is now, only the last few years has he become this good. Welbeck will develop and get better. Not every player develops in the same way.

Of course he will get better, but he will never be world class. And times have changed, recent seasons have broken goal-scoring records.....

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[Saf94]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
Of course he will get better, but he will never be world class. And times have changed, recent seasons have broken goal-scoring records.....

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How is more goals in recent seasons anything to do with whether Welbeck is a good player?

How many world class players do we have on our team? Only 2 yet we drew on points with City. You dont need a squad full of world class talent to be good.

And btw naming top class young players in the world doesn't prove anything. Here is a list of players who helped us win the champions league in 2008, are they world class?

Brown
Fletcher
Park
O'Shea
Silvestre
Carrick
Nani
Anderson

[Xotol]

(Original post by cheetahs56)
Welbeck is extremely wasteful and SAF never seems to play Hernandez. Lewandowski would be a quality signing. Maybe Thiago Silva at the back, or Maicon for RB?

Exactly how much money do you think you have to splash at ridiculously expensive players? Thiago Silva will cost a huge amount of money and will hinder the development of Jones, Smalling and/or Evans (who was a great player this season for Utd) at CB. Welbeck will not develop as well with Lewandowski (but I see that's already been discussed). Maicon is overpriced (reputation from 2010) and has been shocking for Inter this season.

This isn't Fifa mate. You can't just throw £100m at players you like the sound of and expect tremendous results. Man Utd have great youth players that have the potential to develop into great players, and, tbh, the only real addition I would expect them to make is at CM (to play alongside Carrick) and possibly at LB to give Evra some competition. You lost on goal difference for god sake, not by 20 points - and you still have your best CB to return for next season.