[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by Zürich)
OK. Kagawa is a clearly a better player than Scweinsteiger, Reus, Gotze, Gomez, Lahm, Neuer, Ribery...

Even Hummels, Lewandowski, Schürrle, Mueller, Kroos are at roughly the same level.


Amazing that the Bundesliga's best player was allowed to leave for £12m

But you have just got La Ligas best non classico player for the same price

Ozil left the bundesliga for the same price

Sahin left £10m


Good players move for low prices all the time

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by Zürich)
Someone said that he was unconditionally the 'Bundesliga's best player', which is clearly ludicrous

Last season Kagawa was one of the best players in the bundesliga, is it really that hard to understand?

[Zürich]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
Last season Kagawa was one of the best players in the bundesliga, is it really that hard to understand?

Not at all, but that is not what you claimed, is it?

[DaveSmith99]

(Original post by Zürich)
Not at all, but that is not what you claimed, is it?

Nope, you're right. Kagawa is the best player to ever play in the bundesliga ever obviously.

[Manchester United]

So, Brazil vs Korea... at OT.

Hopefully Brazil can win for Rafael

I'm predicting 4-1 Brazil.

[Kevmeister]

(Original post by Zürich)
Not at all, but that is not what you claimed, is it?

Stop being a ****ing pedant.


Rafael starts for Brazil. Lucas on bench. Pity Fergie can't be at OT to persuade the lad to join us over the French oil merchants.

[Tommyjw]

(Original post by TheInvincibles14)
Although you could look at the situation at Arsenal in a different way. Bought Olivier Giroud, French international, scored seven-teen goals last season for Montpellier. Bought Lukas Podolski, 101 caps for Germany with fourty-four goals, scored eight-teen goals last season for Cologne (a team threatened by relegation). Bought Santi Cazorla, the best player in La Liga not playing for either Madrid or Barcelona, scored 9 goals last season, 8 of them outside the box. Forty-five caps for Spain, a team that has incredible depth in midfield. And now let's move on to RVP, he could easily sign a new contract after seeing this ambition.

Just wondering if you would care to inform about the amazing players who prefer or always play left side that Carzola over takes.

You know.. he is so amazing he apparently is included with there amazing depth so I'm just wondering which left sided players who are so great he is pushing out?

[Manchester United]

Mancini found sitting in the stands at OT....

I guess we can expect a Manchester City bid of £300m for the Brazil team tomorrow morning.

[DenmansDinner]

He should buy number 12 for South Korea; Hwang S. H

Very impressive so far.

[TheInvincibles14]

(Original post by Tommyjw)
Just wondering if you would care to inform about the amazing players who prefer or always play left side that Carzola over takes.

You know.. he is so amazing he apparently is included with there amazing depth so I'm just wondering which left sided players who are so great he is pushing out?

I didn't say he pushed out any left sided players? Iniesta plays there with Mata as backup. He's versatile so has earnt all those caps playing in a variety of positions in midfield.

[Welsh Leprecaun]

(Original post by DaveSmith99)
For whoever it was who wanted to see a picture of fat Anderson a while ago

Is that a dick on Anderson's arm?

[Kevmeister]

(Original post by welsh leprecaun)
is that a dick on anderson's arm?

seek help.

[J.Star]

(Original post by DenmansDinner)
Sceszny > De Gea

Sagna > Rafael
Vidic > Vermaelen
Koscielny > Jones
Evra > Gibbs

Oxlade > Nani
Song > Carrick
Cazorla > Scholes
Podolski > Young

Van Persie > Welbeck
Rooney > Giroud

Lol, please just **** off. Filling up the Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool threads with delusional posts and making Arsenal fans seem like dicks in the process

Why have you compared Cazorla to Scholes? At least compare players in like for like positions, e.g. with Kagawa. I would probably say Cazorla > Kagawa atm, but in the long run Kagawa as he is 4 years younger.

And comparing Song to Carrick? Again, why didnt you compare Carrick to the person who plays the same role in the Arsenal team (Arteta)? Arteta vs Carrick is a tough one though, they are probably about even, Carrick may even slightly edge it.

[Kevmeister]

(Original post by J.Star)
Lol, please just **** off. Filling up the Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool threads with delusional posts and making Arsenal fans seem like dicks in the process

Why have you compared Cazorla to Scholes? At least compare players in like for like positions, e.g. with Kagawa. I would probably say Cazorla > Kagawa atm, but in the long run Kagawa as he is 4 years younger.

And comparing Song to Carrick? Again, why didnt you compare Carrick to the person who plays the same role in the Arsenal team (Arteta)? Arteta vs Carrick is a tough one though, they are probably about even, Carrick may even slightly edge it.

No point using logic or reason, tbh.

I think most team threads have a dick or two, thankfully in this one we seem to lack one currently, though we've had some in the past.

Personally, re Cazorla, he's a great signing - but the comparisons to Xavi/Iniesta/Cesc and so forth do not help.

Great points re positions and the slight differences. He also put Jones as a starting CB, when in fact he's not played there for us since Christmas, I think. Evans, Rio, and Smalling are ahead of Jones in our CB pecking order.

[zKlown]

Is it just me or are these Arsenal signings not actually that great

- Podolski never cut it really at Bayern and has never really proved his potential at club level.
- Giround is it? I've never even heard of this guy, not saying he's bad or is going to flop, but the way Arsenal fans are going on about him, it's like he's a direct replacement for RvP.
- Cazorla, yeah he's good and proven at both international and club level, but anyone remember when they signed Baptista and he flopped?

Arsenal fans need to calm down and wait until the season starts. No Wilshere until October as well.

[Zürich]

(Original post by zKlown)
Is it just me or are these Arsenal signings not actually that great

- Podolski never cut it really at Bayern and has never really proved his potential at club level.
- Giround is it? I've never even heard of this guy, not saying he's bad or is going to flop, but the way Arsenal fans are going on about him, it's like he's a direct replacement for RvP.
- Cazorla, yeah he's good and proven at both international and club level, but anyone remember when they signed Baptista and he flopped?

Arsenal fans need to calm down and wait until the season starts. No Wilshere until October as well.

-Podolski just had a great season in a club that was relegated. His record at Bayern was sketchy but he was young and Bayern wasn't the right move for the guy. He's a fairly straightforward player so I'm quite optimistic about him. You certainly won't find a better firward around for £11m.
-Giroud is risky. But he turned down Bayern/Chelsea to play for Wenger and is a French international. Cautiously optimistic.
-So what are you saying? Because one loan player flopped, any top player that AFC sign is also going to flop? Cazorla is not guaranteed to be a success by any means but we can be optimistic considering his quality. He's certainly an improvement for AFC.

Think most Arsenal fans are realistic about our chances this season. We're 4th favorites at the bookies which is fair enough. Personally, I think we'll finish 3rd, above CFC, but probably won't be near City/Utd.

[Mo-Amin]

I thought the last 7 pages or so would be worth reading through despite the effort involved. I was wrong.

Thought Rafael looked good in the second half of the Brazil match! Look forward to watching the final.

[Akkuz]

Brazil vs. Mexico

What an awesome final

[rickjames]

So glad I have grade A tickets for the final

[Manchester United]

Can't wait for the game against Barcelona later.

I think we're going to find it really tough though.

1) Vidic has just returned. We are hoping he (and Ferdinand) can stop Messi.
2) Valencia at right-back most likely. He will venture forwards and leave gaps, I fear.
3) I'm not confident in Scholes and Carrick being able to neutralise Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets. We need to do what Portugal did in the Euro's, stop them from playing; easier said than done.
4) Chicharito and Welbeck don't appear to be 'with it'. Against Barcelona, you must be clinical (Chelsea proved that).
5) Kagawa needs more time to gel, we can't expect him to rip a Barcelona defence open after a few weeks of training.

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea playing them. It's not as if we've scored bags of goals in the pre-season friendlies... We don't appear ready, unlike last season.

##For anyone who hasn't been watching the pre-season friendlies: ##

Amazulu 0-1 Manchester United
Ajax Cape Town 1-1 Manchester United
Shanghai Shenghua 0-1 Manchester United
Valerenga 0-0 Manchester United

Hamburg SV 1-2 Barcelona
Raja Casablanca 0-8 Barcelona
Barcelona 2-2 PSG