Bmo2 1996 q1
Maths and statistics discussion, revision, exam and homework help.
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Re: Bmo2 1996 q1The line after that line is crucial, after that you are pretty much done.(Original post by Dog4444)
Honestly, I can't follow it from "This has no solutions if a..." . If you're trying to prove that there is no solutions, when x,y>0. Try x=4,y=2,z=5.You get 16+9=25. -
Re: Bmo2 1996 q1I don't get where you got this z from.(Original post by Blutooth)

This line of yours is wrong is what I was trying to say. Consider z=2^{a+1}-2^{1}.
I will write out a full solution tomorrow morning. And with regards to earlier I was aware of that solution actually. it occurs when a-m=1, but i'm pretty sure it is the only one of its kind- was just hurrying with the latex cos i got to sleep..

Pre-last part by euclidean algorithm.
What part of it you think is wrong?
And yeah, lets' do it tomorrow (well, today).
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Re: Bmo2 1996 q1That's not how you do the euclidean algorithm.(Original post by Dog4444)
I don't get where you got this z from.

Pre-last part by euclidean algorithm.
What part of it you think is wrong?
And yeah, lets' do it tomorrow (well, today).
This is
if a>b
gcd(a,b)=gcd(a-b,b)
Also just considering that
, then
and 
both of these have
or even 2 as a divisor and not 1. SO the GCD can't be 1.
It's a nice problem indeed. Yeah we'll get a better lid on it later 2day after some sleep
Last edited by Blutooth; 05-04-2012 at 01:52. -
Re: Bmo2 1996 q1(Original post by Blutooth)
That's not how you do the euclidean algorithm.
This is
if a>b
gcd(a,b)=gcd(a-b,b)
Also just considering that
, then
and 
both of these have
or even 2 as a factor and not 1. SO the GCD can't be 1.
It's a nice problem indeed. Yeah we'll get a better lid on it later 2day after some sleep
remainder is 
I think we need somebody else, who can look at everything from other perspective.
gcd(a,b)=gcd(a,b-a)
Yes, but it's just slower way to do this. Dividing is just much faster.Last edited by Dog4444; 05-04-2012 at 01:57. -
Re: Bmo2 1996 q1Here is your full solution OP. AFter the fact that x and y must be even.(Original post by Dog4444)
remainder is 
I think we need somebody else, who can look at everything from other perspective.
gcd(a,b)=gcd(a,b-a)
Yes, but it's just slower way to do this. Dividing is just much faster.
we start off with (***)
For some integer g, we may write:

But note from the first equation g must be of the form 2^m, otherwise the rhs a fraction, so we write
Note also that for a bit later: 
And Dividing by 2 yields.
The RHS is always odd . So the LHS must be Odd.
Note the LHS is odd as long as exactly one of
or
is 0. As
, it must be the case that 
Thus subbing for m in (*) , (*)becomes
!!!!!!!!!!!
Going back to (***)
for some integer h we may write

But note h must be of the form h=2^K, otherwise we get the rhs of (1) being a fraction.

Note therefore that:
And If the 2b-k>0 then the lhs is divisible by 3 but the rhs is not. Hence 
Subbing for k in
Combining this equation with the one marked !!!!!!!!!!!!! we get

Clearly a=2 is a solution. However, there are obviously no further solutions, quite simply from the fact that beyond a =2,
grows faster than
And so the function
is always increasing and gets much larger than 2.
At a=2, we have from (*)
Finally we plug this into the first equation to verify that
. Clearly 
Only one further solution. We are done OP. Bullyacha.Last edited by Blutooth; 05-04-2012 at 15:56. -
Re: Bmo2 1996 q1Seems fine to me. But I'm still not sure my gcd is wrong, at least I couldn't find a contradiction after putting some numbers in calculator.(Original post by Blutooth)
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Re: Bmo2 1996 q1There is nothing wrong with this line. Your GCD method is fine, except for the last assertion that you make where you declare the gcd is 1. That is not the case(Original post by Dog4444)
remainder is 
I think we need somebody else, who can look at everything from other perspective.
gcd(a,b)=gcd(a,b-a)
Yes, but it's just slower way to do this. Dividing is just much faster.
is 1 for all values of z, it may be 1 for some values of z. In fact the only values of z which will not make the gcd 1 are where z is an odd number. try a value of z that is a mutiple of 2.
Remember that the gcd is the greatest common factor of 2 numbers ie 2^(a+1)-2^(a) has a factor of 2^a.Last edited by Blutooth; 05-04-2012 at 15:59. -
Re: Bmo2 1996 q1I suggest you wanted to write gcd will be 1 when z is odd? Well, z is always odd, isn't it? That's why it's 1.(Original post by Blutooth)
There is nothing wrong with this line. Your GCD method is fine, except for the last assertion that you make where you declare the gcd is 1. That is not the case
is 1 for all values of z, it may be 1 for some values of z. In fact the only values of z which will not make the gcd 1 are where z is an odd number. try a value of z that is a mutiple of 2.
Remember that the gcd is the greatest common factor of 2 numbers ie 2^(a+1)-2^(a) has a factor of 2^a.
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Re: Bmo2 1996 q1****, I missed the z is odd in your solution. Sorry, never mind.(Original post by Dog4444)
I suggest you wanted to write gcd will be 1 when z is odd? Well, z is always odd, isn't it? That's why it's 1.