[Phantom Lord]

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Usually when people talk about the success of faith schools, they say it's because they take in a disproportionate number of rich/priveleged people to begin with. However..



So given they usually take in a disproportionately high number of poor pupils who qualify for free meals, they produce excellent results beating every faith school on average except Jewish ones.
More proof.
An example of a comprehensive Islamic girls school in Blackburn which achieved a 98% GCSE pass rate in 2010 despite 16% of pupils being on free school meals.
Why do you think this is?

[Tfaska]

They're probably just stricter schools with stricter parents. I went to a Roman Catholic school (but I'm a muslim) and it was definitely stricter than normal. We had all sorts of unexplained rituals that we had to do though, about which I always wondered "Why are we doing this when we could be learning maths?". But yeah, I suppose Christian families would want their children to get into Christian habits.

Islam promotes seeking knowledge as a form of worship, and things like "memorising the Quran" are rewardable. That makes memorising anything else look easy.

[legendstar]

Less distractions.

[SpongebobSquarepan]

backwards religion meanaing stricter parents. Meaning no time to enjoy life, you only have 1 life you know?

[SpongebobSquarepan]

Why have I been negged for telling the truth, what kind of life is spending it all days indoors working and practising your religion?

There's a whole world out there

[Oorlog]

Funny how it's the other way around in the Netherlands..

One explanation may be that muslims live up to a certain strict code which parents enforce on their children, thereby making them adhere to their schoolwork more than their non-religious counterparts.

[lukas1051]

Cultural values I would say. I think the reason state schools generally do worse than private schools is largely down to the attitudes of the students. I think most, if not all people are capable of doing well (granted, some more naturally than others), the problem is that they are not always encouraged to do well. I'd wager is has very little to do with the actual religion itself, rather the culture of the students and their families.

[Frodo Baggins]

Because girls are not a distraction. Because they are all covered up!

BTW im allowed to say that as im a muslim.

[clad in armour]

I dont think anybody can just put their finger on a specific reason and say thats why, its definitely a mixture of cultural and religious reasons, Islam puts a massive emphasis on education and its essentially part of the religion itself since its Sunnah (following in the manners of the Prophet (pbuh)) but also a lot of the pupils will be from ethnic minority families and stereotypes aside its no secret that they encourage their children to excel in their exams and whatnot

[SpongebobSquarepan]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
I agree, but the thing is muslims outside of Islamic schools get below average on GCSEs (though the gap is decreasing every year). So this makes it even more strange.

It might be because the teachers at islamic schools hit the kids so they are frightened to death. Poor children

[clad in armour]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
I agree, but the thing is muslims outside of Islamic schools get below average on GCSEs (though the gap is decreasing every year). So this makes it even more strange.

then that points towards the discipline aspect of the those schools perhaps

[lukas1051]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
I agree, but the thing is muslims outside of Islamic schools get below average on GCSEs (though the gap is decreasing every year). So this makes it even more interesting.

I imagine stricter parents who are more likely to put pressure on their children to do well will choose to send those children to Islamic faith schools. The two go hand in hand really.

[Saada]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
So given they usually take in a disproportionately high number of poor pupils who qualify for free meals, they produce excellent results beating every faith school on average except Jewish ones.

Because being poor and on school meals has nothing to do with intelligence.

[uttamo]

(Original post by SpongebobSquarepan)
Why have I been negged for telling the truth, what kind of life is spending it all days indoors working and practising your religion?

There's a whole world out there

Hindu parents are strict but we're not backward thinking. There isn't only one religion in the world with strict parents.

[SpongebobSquarepan]

(Original post by uttamo)
Hindu parents are strict but we're not backward thinking. There isn't only one religion in the world with strict parents.

I like Hindu people they are nice and friendly, don't tell me my ways are wrong. And don't tell me I need to covert to their religion.

Very nice people

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by Saada)
Because being poor and on school meals has nothing to do with intelligence.

It's well known poorer children do worse in school compared to those from wealthier backgrounds.

[SpongebobSquarepan]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
Exactly, so it must show that the teaching quality at Islamic schools is very good, unlike the 'alien rubbish' that Richard Dawkins said they teach.

This is what annoys people of England yes they have good teachers. But why do you need to keep mentioning islamic schools.

You are trying to make it sound like Islam is the best thing is in the world.

**** off we are all equal grow up.

[uttamo]

(Original post by SpongebobSquarepan)
I like Hindu people they are nice and friendly, don't tell me my ways are wrong. And don't tell me I need to covert to their religion.

Very nice people

I'm not saying your ways are wrong. My point is that just cos a religion has strict parents doesn't mean they're backward thinking. And Hindus accept other religions and their followers. No evangelism required.

[The Mr Z]

Ok, so I'm really going to be treading on eggshells here but...

May I suggest;

1. the admissions policies of these schools may have some influence - you should check if admissions policies is simply about being Muslim, or if some part of the process favours applicants with higher academic ability.

2. There is not the same correlation between intelligence and wealth in Muslim immigrants as there are in UK nationals, due to immigrants either facing discrimination or lacking qualifications that we have come to rely on as measures of ability, and so not being given the same extent of meritocratic treatment
- That is to say, if their parents had been born and educated in the UK they wouldn't be on free school meals because their parents would be earning a more appropriate pay level.
(This is a common trend in immigrant communities around the world, and applies both in the UK and abroad to both Muslim and other ethnicities. The most simple explanation is that most immigrants have very little of value and no proof of ability when going to foreign countries, and so by default fall into the lowest social bracket)
In other words, if you see a poor father with a rich son, ask not why the son is rich but why the father is poor.

I expect it's a one or two generation anomaly, and in subsequent generations the distribution will either look more even or more similar to the Jewish one.

[Elipsis]

Muslim girls are barely allowed out of the house... what else are they going to do but study? If they're reaaaaal lucky their parents might let them go to a university that's more than 2 miles from the house :O