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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    Strange, as I've never gotten the impression that black history month (or moth, as you call it) is either a pack of lies or designed by devisive left wing types
    Who do you think came up with it?
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    If everything I knew about black people was based on the media and Crimewatch... I would want to know why black people were still being allowed to immigrate into this country with so many black people seemingly involved with gang culture, violence, drugs etc.
    I'm black.
    Luckily, I know that black people have contributed positively to this country and the world throughout history and more recently but so many people won't learn about it and will be non the wiser.

    I believe black history month was definitely important because it was a choice between black history being taught in 1 month or not at all. I don't do history any longer and don't know how black history is taught today but I think that it is important for the achievements of black people to be shared; it's important for people of all ethnic groups to understand that black does not equal slave, black people can be and have been so much more. It's extremely important for black children to know that black people can succeed, contribute greatly to society and have a bright future. Unfortunately the legacy of slavery still continues.

    I think it's important to know that all races are equal and we should all have the same rights and opportunities as each other, but when this does not happen, when a vicious cycle already exists that perpetually forces a certain group towards the bottom, laws and systems must be implemented to stop this. Many have already been, but I believe there is still further, together as a society, we can go.
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    (Original post by Tolth)
    Just out of curiosity, which area of the private sector do you work in?
    Construction.
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    It's.. a bit long.
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    Who do you think came up with it?
    Carter G Woodson, a black historian.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_History_Month
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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    Carter G Woodson, a black historian.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_History_Month

    carter g woodsons vision was corrupted by the far left in america. i do not think he would approve of the victimology and grievance that it instils.

    it goes all the way back to lenin himself,who said black people would be used by the communists as a revolutionary class against the capitalist system.
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    (Original post by natchina)
    carter g woodsons vision was corrupted by the far left in america. i do not think he would approve of the victimology and grievance that it instils.

    it goes all the way back to lenin himself,who said black people would be used by the communists as a revolutionary class against the capitalist system.
    Whether or not you feel the left "corrupted" it, it is primarily espoused as a tool of educating blacks on their history (much of which involves the oppression of the 18th - 20th centuries)
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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    Whether or not you feel the left "corrupted" it, it is primarily espoused as a tool of educating blacks on their history (much of which involves the oppression of the 18th - 20th centuries)


    well, i'm left. a socialist anyway. its the way the marxist/far left corrupt these social matters which annoys me.

    i have no problem with the idea of black history month, just that its curriculum be rewritten so it is more accurate and less divisive. if the truth were told about slavery then everyone would be a lot less angry. only, anger is what the far left want. what they need in fact.

    they did the same thing with the feminist movement. they stuck their noses in and pitted women against men. they have done the same with the homosexual movement. its not enough to give homosexuals rights, they have to make them into a militant sub group.

    the far left wants to create victims and the way black history month is structured is designed to make unnecessary victims of black people today.

    imagine if white people had their history condensed into the period when they were oppressed, colonised and enslaved by the arabs and turks for almost a thousand years?
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    (Original post by natchina)
    well, i'm left. a socialist anyway. its the way the marxist/far left corrupt these social matters which annoys me.

    i have no problem with the idea of black history month, just that its curriculum be rewritten so it is more accurate and less divisive. if the truth were told about slavery then everyone would be a lot less angry. only, anger is what the far left want. what they need in fact.

    they did the same thing with the feminist movement. they stuck their noses in and pitted women against men. they have done the same with the homosexual movement. its not enough to give homosexuals rights, they have to make them into a militant sub group.

    the far left wants to create victims and the way black history month is structured is designed to make unnecessary victims of black people today.

    imagine is white people condensed their history into the period when they were oppressed, colonised and enslaved by the arabs and turks? and that was the only history they ever heard about?
    Unlike blacks, this is not the cause of many of the social issues today (at least not in the Western world)

    The problem is, that many of the social issues that blacks currently face TODAY are because of slavery and the resultant discrimination.

    Personally, the "left" and the "right" both use blacks (as well as any other group that is useful) to further their aims.

    Either way, I see black history month as something that is useful, and can be used to educate blacks and make things better
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    (Original post by dgeorge)
    Unlike blacks, this is not the cause of many of the social issues today (at least not in the Western world)

    The problem is, that many of the social issues that blacks currently face TODAY are because of slavery and the resultant discrimination.

    Personally, the "left" and the "right" both use blacks (as well as any other group that is useful) to further their aims.

    Either way, I see black history month as something that is useful, and can be used to educate blacks and make things better

    which is another point of contention about black history month in britain. why is it even here when there has never been institutional racism in europe -- institutional racism meaning actual laws on the books that specifically discriminate against blacks.

    slavery, which was private trade, was abolished 200 years ago and black immigrants did not really arrive in europe in any great numbers until about 60 years ago.

    i can see why it might be needed in america, if done correctly and not divisively, but in britain, its absurd.

    there are more asians in britain than black people but they do not get a specific month-- which just about proves that it is not about history, but division and enforced victimology.





    which is another point of contention about black history month in britain.
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    You raise another issue that I have with black history month -- which is this tendency for black historians to use the cultures and empires of north Africa and claim them as sub Saharan African. Ancient north africa was not even classed as being on the same continent as sub saharan africa. It's only in modern times that north and sub Saharan Africa were classed as the same continent. You give links to books which
    On the hand claim north African tribes invaded sub saharan Africa and destroyed black culture, and the other hand, books which claim that north Africans are part of black culture.

    Sub Saharan Africans were brought into north Africa relatively recently, historically speaking, by the Arabs through their slave trade.

    Before the Arabs brought over black slaves, sub saharan African influence on norh African culture was minimal.
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    and may i ask why any of this is more important than learning about modern history such as napolean, the empire, wwI/II etc. ?
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    (Original post by natchina)
    which is another point of contention about black history month in britain. why is it even here when there has never been institutional racism in europe -- institutional racism meaning actual laws on the books that specifically discriminate against blacks.

    slavery, which was private trade, was abolished 200 years ago and black immigrants did not really arrive in europe in any great numbers until about 60 years ago.

    i can see why it might be needed in america, if done correctly and not divisively, but in britain, its absurd.

    there are more asians in britain than black people but they do not get a specific month-- which just about proves that it is not about history, but division and enforced victimology.





    which is another point of contention about black history month in britain.
    1. Black history is far more than just slavery - so the idea that its "not needed" in Britain because there was no institutionalised slavery doesn't hold water.

    2. Even though there was no slavery, there was widespread and institutionalised discrimination against blacks up until the 20th century.

    3. I would have no problem whatsoever with an asian history month - just as I said I have no problem with women's history month (march) or say having a national youth week, as is done in many countries around commonwealth youth day
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    (Original post by natchina)
    the problem with black history moth is that it is a pack of lies.

    it has been designed by divisive left wing marxist types who want instil a sense of collective victimhood and grievance in the black community thats the only way the left can survive. but creating hatred and victimhood.

    slavery has happened throughout human history. europeans never brought slavery to africa and they didn't force it on africans -- they purchased their slaves from africans themselves-- who sold their captive but they did abolish it.

    because of slavery blacks live all over the world now in some of the worlds greatest beauty spots.


    none of this is focused on in black history month. if you look at black history month it tells blacks africa was a paradise until the evil white man came and started running around with nets rounding up blacks for slavery. its absurd as well as very dangerous rhetoric.

    black history as it stands is actually race hate propaganda.



    also, do africans get white history month in africa?
    Tell me, are you a member of stormfront?
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    (Original post by Jingers)
    Is there a need for an Indian history month?
    Maybe and maybe there are plenty of other groups that also deserve such recognition as a corrective, but the case for a black history month is pretty obvious given the scale and depth of discrimination, marginalisation and exclusion that has occured (starting out with the Atlantic Slave Trade) the consequences of which are still a lived experience.
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    i can understand why the have it (need it) in america, but why in the UK? Why not have an Asian or Islamic/Arab history month as well?

    I've forgettin what do they even teach in black history month???
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    It encourages people to not allow themselves to be pigeon-holed into a stereotype. It promotes black History thus breaking down the barriers of ignorance thus racism. It allows 'black' people to feel celebrated for a change. It exposes the world's 'zig zigzaggity' past rather than brushing it under the carpet.

    However it creates a racial pedestal, double standards and racial stigma. It reminds people that 'yes we are different colours', it can also be seen as an insult. Black History Month is a month? A culture so rich has an expiry date? You cannot pick and choose history. Not to mention Black History Month predominately highlights black American history which lets be honest isn't much.

    As Morgan quite rightly put it, if we want to progress as a human race, we must be willing to let the past be the thing of the past.

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