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    As someone interested into politics I have follow the opinion polls quite a lot. Recently I have seen an upturn in not only the main two but a SIGNIFICANT rise in votes for smaller parties. This can mainly be seen in Bradford West where UKIP + Respect had an upturn in votes.

    This is a recent trend especially in the latest opinion polls, the latest one shows there may be a new third party on it's way if you look at recent trends. UKIP have had there highest result in an opinion poll of 8% and is taking 1/10 of votes from tory voters from the 2010 election. This is not really a surprised at the unconservative things that they are doing to do with the EU, cash scandals, threats to civil liberties. The green party and SNP is getting an increase in vote from disillusioned Lib dem's who's promises at elections seem to count for nothing.

    Let me sum up the small parties up turn in votes:
    - UKIP 8% (Increase vote by 3x)
    - SNP 4% (Increase vote by 4x)
    - Greens 3% (Increase vote by 3x)
    - Respect 1% (Increase vote by 10x)
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    (Original post by darksideday)
    As someone interested into politics I have follow the opinion polls quite a lot. Recently I have seen an upturn in not only the main two but a SIGNIFICANT rise in votes for smaller parties. This can mainly be seen in Bradford West where UKIP + Respect had an upturn in votes.

    This is a recent trend especially in the latest opinion polls, the latest one shows there may be a new third party on it's way if you look at recent trends. UKIP have had there highest result in an opinion poll of 8% and is taking 1/10 of votes from tory voters from the 2010 election. This is not really a surprised at the unconservative things that they are doing to do with the EU, cash scandals, threats to civil liberties.

    Let me sum up the small parties up turn in votes:
    - UKIP 8% (Increase vote by 3x)
    - SNP 4% (Increase vote by 4x)
    - Greens 3% (Increase vote by 3x)
    - Respect 1% (Increase vote by 10x)
    Lib Dems got 23% of the vote in the last election yet got less than 10% of the seats. UKIP got 3.1% yet got 0 seats. As long as the constituency based system exists no third party will ever have any real power.
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    Not under the current flawed system that rewards majorities, we haven't had any significant political change for the past 100 years nor will we ever have under FPTP.
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    I do think the only minor party that could sustain a run would be UKIP, but I'm not convinced by their strategy beyond the European Parliamentary Elections.

    SNP, only relevant in Scotland of course but the potential remains to take seats of Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

    Greens, not too convinced they will build on Lucas' seat. I'm not really seeing how they can expand their support in the current socio-economic climate.

    Respect, Galloway is a one-off for that party in this sense. I believe anyone who thinks differently for Respect is naive.

    I think the other parties will gain but a lot depends on the SNP really pushing the message in Scotland and UKIP actually managing to have a successful General Election for one which no-one can predict for 2015. Who knows, Labour could get a competent leader by then? The economy could rapidly turn good? Anything could happen and I'd be suprised if in the current political climate that the others weren't gaining support.
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    Statistically the vote share for 'others' has risen each election since 1997 so it is an interesting development.

    Personally doubtful that UKIP will achieve more than 7% but possible and i think the 'others' combined will continue to increase.
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    Thankfully, nutty socialist parties like Respect and the Greens will not be seeing their popularity translate into more seats in Westminster anytime soon, because their paltry support is often mercifully spread out across the whole of the UK rather than in one place. The Greens won in Brighton because it's full of people who smoke so much cannabis that socialism and so-called "green politics" seem reasonable to them, and Galloway won in Bradford because he manipulated the large Moslem population there. As most constituencies aren't overpopulated with dumb stoners or Moslems, we won't see these victories repeated very often at all, if ever again.
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    (Original post by Ann Widdecombe)
    Thankfully, nutty socialist parties like Respect and the Greens will not be seeing their popularity translate into more seats in Westminster anytime soon, because their paltry support is often mercifully spread out across the whole of the UK rather than in one place. The Greens won in Brighton because it's full of people who smoke so much cannabis that socialism and so-called "green politics" seem reasonable to them, and Galloway won in Bradford because he manipulated the large Moslem population there. As most constituencies aren't overpopulated with dumb stoners or Moslems, we won't see these victories repeated very often at all, if ever again.
    UKIP will push drug decriminalisation at the top end and legalisation at the bottom.

    Must be those nutty socialists and moslems on da herb!
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    UKIP will push drug decriminalisation at the top end and legalisation at the bottom.
    So will the Greens, and green is the colour of the rubbish they pollute their lungs with, so that's who they'll vote for. Do you really think the rather sensible UKIP has a chance of getting the votes of the pickle-brained hippies and homosexuals in Brighton? No.
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    (Original post by Ann Widdecombe)
    So will the Greens, and green is the colour of the rubbish they pollute their lungs with, so that's who they'll vote for. Do you really think the rather sensible UKIP has a chance of getting the votes of the pickle-brained hippies and homosexuals in Brighton? No.
    They won't do it for votes, they are doing it on principle and from observation of the disasterous drug war and prosecution or people who are harming no others, and not even themselves, since cannabis is less harmful and addictive than even alcohol and tobacco. Keeping it illegal is also perpetuating the black markets exploitation. I'm sure you've heard all the agrument before.

    And your comment on homosexuals is rather frightening and ignorant. Since you hate 'moslems' so much, you might find some common ground there, what with you're hatred of gays and people who drink and take drugs. I suppose you are a socially conservative christian aswell huh?

    I don't see why little englandeers and traditionalists have such a problem with muslims, concidering they agree with them on 90% of things apart from foreign policy and the choice of religion. Though I am sure you are a small government type (so am I) in the area of economy, therefore think our military occupations are a waste of money? So you may agree with muslims on that too, though on different grounds.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    They won't do it for votes, they are doing it on principle and from observation of the disasterous drug war and prosecution or people who are harming no others, and not even themselves, since cannabis is less harmful and addictive than even alcohol and tobacco. Keeping it illegal is also perpetuating the black markets exploitation. I'm sure you've heard all the agrument before.
    You only have to look to so-called "socially liberal" places like Brighton for a counter argument to this: allowing people to smoke cannabis turns them into lazy, permissive (often socialist) drones.

    And your comment on homosexuals is rather frightening and ignorant. Since you hate 'moslems' so much, you might find some common ground there, what with you're hatred of gays and people who drink and take drugs. I suppose you are a socially conservative christian aswell huh?
    I don't hate homosexuals; you're putting words in my mouth. I merely find their choice of lifestyle to be curious. I certainly don't share the Moslem view than they should be barbarically stoned to death. As long as they keep their actions to themselves, I don't have a problem with them.

    I don't see why little englandeers and traditionalists have such a problem with muslims, concidering they agree with them on 90% of things apart from foreign policy and the choice of religion.
    I think that's demonstrably untrue. I also think your characterisation of me as a "little Englandeer" is both unfair and rather bizarre.

    Though I am sure you are a small government type (so am I) in the area of economy, therefore think our military occupations are a waste of money? So you may agree with muslims on that too, though on different grounds.
    No, I don't disagree with our military operations abroad. Rooting out Moslem extremism wherever it flourishes is not a waste of money. Whilst we may be spending young, working class lives rooting out said extremism, it's not like they'd be doing much if they were in Britain anyway other than standing on the dole queue, what with how our previous socialist government ruined our economy.
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    Lol

    Next election, everybody will just vote Tories and Labour again. Tories alone have 165 seats completely safe that they won in 1997. Today is no 1997 - at a minimum, the three main parties have like 350 seats completely safe. That's enough to prevent any other party getting a majority, even if that one party wins every single marginal. And if a miracle happened and they did win, they wouldn't have the legislative expertise of Tories or Lib Dems or Labour and everything would just go to ****, and they're be thrown out straight away.

    tl;dr little parties can't, won't and shouldn't win
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    (Original post by Maddog Jones)
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    Next election, everybody will just vote Tories and Labour again. Tories alone have 165 seats completely safe that they won in 1997. Today is no 1997 - at a minimum, the three main parties have like 350 seats completely safe. That's enough to prevent any other party getting a majority, even if that one party wins every single marginal. And if a miracle happened and they did win, they wouldn't have the legislative expertise of Tories or Lib Dems or Labour and everything would just go to ****, and they're be thrown out straight away.

    tl;dr little parties can't, won't and shouldn't win
    i like how the arbiters of the status quo hate democracy.
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    (Original post by darksideday)
    As someone interested into politics I have follow the opinion polls quite a lot. Recently I have seen an upturn in not only the main two but a SIGNIFICANT rise in votes for smaller parties. This can mainly be seen in Bradford West where UKIP + Respect had an upturn in votes.

    This is a recent trend especially in the latest opinion polls, the latest one shows there may be a new third party on it's way if you look at recent trends. UKIP have had there highest result in an opinion poll of 8% and is taking 1/10 of votes from tory voters from the 2010 election. This is not really a surprised at the unconservative things that they are doing to do with the EU, cash scandals, threats to civil liberties. The green party and SNP is getting an increase in vote from disillusioned Lib dem's who's promises at elections seem to count for nothing.

    Let me sum up the small parties up turn in votes:
    - UKIP 8% (Increase vote by 3x)
    - SNP 4% (Increase vote by 4x)
    - Greens 3% (Increase vote by 3x)
    - Respect 1% (Increase vote by 10x)
    I voted 'no'. I don't think such parties will play a bigger role than they currently do - I think that any increase in popularity is short term, and won't be sustained at all. The reason for this, is that three of the parties you listed are at extreme ends of the political spectrum, and the majority of voters can't relate to them, and many people only perceive the Greens to care about environmental issues than anything else.

    As much as I detest the current Coalition's austerity plan, which is plainly wrong - austerity does not, and cannot cause economic growth - the truth is that both the Tories and Labour get the majority of the votes because they occupy a central position on many issues, that voters can relate to, and in normal, non recessionary times, there isn't a great deal between the parties to be honest.
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    (Original post by prog2djent)
    i like how the arbiters of the status quo hate democracy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_2010

    88.1% voted for the three main parties.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ferendum,_2011

    67.9% voted against electoral reform.

    I'm sorry, how exactly is that me hating democracy? The people have spoken.
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    (Original post by DotComBoom)
    I do think the only minor party that could sustain a run would be UKIP, but I'm not convinced by their strategy beyond the European Parliamentary Elections.

    SNP, only relevant in Scotland of course but the potential remains to take seats of Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

    Greens, not too convinced they will build on Lucas' seat. I'm not really seeing how they can expand their support in the current socio-economic climate.

    Respect, Galloway is a one-off for that party in this sense. I believe anyone who thinks differently for Respect is naive.

    I think the other parties will gain but a lot depends on the SNP really pushing the message in Scotland and UKIP actually managing to have a successful General Election for one which no-one can predict for 2015. Who knows, Labour could get a competent leader by then? The economy could rapidly turn good? Anything could happen and I'd be suprised if in the current political climate that the others weren't gaining support.
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