How whites took over America
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Re: How whites took over America...not solely no but pragmatically? yes.(Original post by goodeye)
Even if we ignore the fact that people against Iraq didn't all vote Lib Dem, you can't say that the everyman's political voice is solely placed in the hands of political parties.
Its a very dramatic viewpoint to suggest that anti-multiculturalists had two choices: keep quiet or take to the streets with the NF. What about peaceful protest, interest groups, petitions, letters to MPs etc.
It is. Considering all three major political parties endorsed mass immigration and multiculturalism, there really wasn't much to do. -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaI love how the white dude actually brings up a number of valid points about race and the Indian who I assume we're supposed to be sympathising with can only muster up weak superficial crap like "... but we look different!" and "you're not one of us!" Even when they get to depict the debate in their favour they still fail to come up with any substantial counter points. And what is it with right wingers making dreadful analogies? How can anybody honestly compare the European colonisation of the Americas to even the most liberal of immigration policies? Oh, wait a minute, this video features the English arriving in America in 1612? With tri-corn hats and Napoleonic uniforms? Ok now I know how; these guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
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Re: How whites took over AmericaValid? Did I miss them?(Original post by Captain Haddock)
I love how the white dude actually brings up a number of valid points about race and the Indian who I assume we're supposed to be sympathising with can only muster up weak superficial crap like "... but we look different!" and "you're not one of us!". And what is it with right wingers making dreadful analogies? How can anybody honestly compare the European colonisation of the Americas to even the most liberal of immigration policies? Oh, wait a minute, this video features the English arriving in America in 1612? With tri-corn hats and Napoleonic uniforms? Ok now I know how; these guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Overly simple, true.
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Re: How whites took over AmericaHe said "indian" was a social construct. he didn't suggest "white" was a social construct.(Original post by Captain Haddock)
Yes, for example that race is a social construct and there is no significant genetic difference between what we call races.
Irrelevant but hilariously ****ing stupid.
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Re: How whites took over AmericaYep, it's weak superficial crap vs Marxist inspired equality driven crap. Only one of them actively supports the blending out of an entire race though while attempting to silence all criticism with shrill accusations of "racism". I thought the video did an excellent job of parodying the left.(Original post by Captain Haddock)
I love how the white dude actually brings up a number of valid points about race and the Indian who I assume we're supposed to be sympathising with can only muster up weak superficial crap like "... but we look different!" and "you're not one of us!" Even when they get to depict the debate in their favour they still fail to come up with any substantial counter points. And what is it with right wingers making dreadful analogies? How can anybody honestly compare the European colonisation of the Americas to even the most liberal of immigration policies? Oh, wait a minute, this video features the English arriving in America in 1612? With tri-corn hats and Napoleonic uniforms? Ok now I know how; these guys have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaUgh. So what? It's still true, and he only said 'Indian' because it made more sense in the context of the dialogue.(Original post by Bonged.)
He said "indian" was a social construct. he didn't suggest "white" was a social construct. -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaYes, Marxist inspired equality driven crap such as scientific facts about genetics.(Original post by chefdave)
Yep, it's weak superficial crap vs Marxist inspired equality driven crap. Only one of them actively supports the blending out of an entire race though while attempting to silence all criticism with shrill accusations of "racism". I thought the video did an excellent job of parodying the left. -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaI wouldn't say that tens of millennia of various native american customs, culture and beliefs are "just a social construct". Insulting.(Original post by Captain Haddock)
Ugh. So what? It's still true, and he only said 'Indian' because it made more sense in the context of the dialogue. -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaI fail to see the leap from "we're all genetically similar" to "so let's import huge numbers of people who have massively different cultural behaviours".(Original post by Captain Haddock)
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Re: How whites took over AmericaBut 'culture' is really just a set of social norms and practices so by definition it kind of is? Besides, we were talking about race here, not culture. What the guy in the cartoon was getting at is that there is no genetic difference between native Americans and white people, and that the distinctions we make between races are socially constructed. And despite what the video wants you to think, he is correct.(Original post by Bonged.)
I wouldn't say that tens of millennia of various native american customs, culture and beliefs are "just a social construct". Insulting.
As usual you are trying to steer the debate away from the original point. To recap: I said the white guy makes some valid points about race. He does. That's the end of it, as far as I'm concerned. -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaMany people see it as more than that. I can't imagine native americans are particularly pleased with their multicultural experience. Their culture was just a "social construct", so what if it was utterly demolished? That's the side you're on.(Original post by Captain Haddock)
But 'culture' is really just a set of social norms and practices so by definition it kind of is? Besides, we were talking about race here, not culture. What the guy in the cartoon was getting at is that there is no genetic difference between native Americans and white people, and that the distinctions we make between races are socially constructed. And despite what the video wants you to think, he is correct.
As usual you are trying to steer the debate away from the original point. To recap: I said the white guy makes some valid points about race. He does. That's the end of it, as far as I'm concerned.
And what relevance does this have on whether certain cultures should be transplanted onto host cultures? (btw there is a genetic difference, it's just relatively small) -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaThe genetics argument is a red herring. While it's true that we're genetically v.similar it doesn't follow that we should displace some peoples and cultures with foreign ones, that sort of activity of frowned upon in polite society for obvious reasons: it constitutes an attack on indiginous cultures.(Original post by Captain Haddock)
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Re: How whites took over AmericaYou're the one who keeps adding the word 'just' in front of 'social construct', not me. I never said social constructs can't have meaning or significance. The thing is culture as a social construct tells us a lot about a peoples' way of life and history. Race as a social construct can only tell us about their skin colour, which isn't (or shouldn't be) important.(Original post by Bonged.)
Many people see it as more than that. I can't imagine native americans are particularly pleased with their multicultural experience. Their culture was just a "social construct", so what if it was utterly demolished? That's the side you're on.
And what relevance does this have on whether certain cultures should be transplanted onto host cultures? (btw there is a genetic difference, it's just relatively small)
And I don't know. The video made that connection, not me. All I said is he was right about race and the native American dude's response was incredibly lacking. 'B-b-but we have different shaped skulls!' Big ****in deal. -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaAs you have been informed, this is a red herring. It has no relevance to cultural displacement.(Original post by Captain Haddock)
You're the one who keeps adding the word 'just' in front of 'social construct', not me. I never said social constructs can't have meaning or significance. The thing is culture as a social construct tells us a lot about a peoples' way of life and history. Race as a social construct can only tell us about their skin colour, which isn't (or shouldn't be) important.
And I don't know. The video made that connection, not me. All I said is he was right about race and the native American dude's response was incredibly lacking. 'B-b-but we have different shaped skulls!' Big ****in deal.
So losing native american culture was a loss for humanity? Correct? When people are displaced, this is wrong? Correct?
I mean indian is a social construct after all. Indians need to stop trying to preserve their heritage. Goddamn racists/non cultural relativists! -
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Re: How whites took over AmericaUh oh, you're doing that thing again. That thing where you confuse race and culture? 'Whites and native Americans are socially constructed distinctions' != 'different cultures should not be embraced'.(Original post by Bonged.)
As you have been informed, this is a red herring. It has no relevance to cultural displacement.
So losing native american culture was a loss for humanity? Correct? When people are displaced, this is wrong? Correct?
I mean indian is a social construct after all. Indians need to stop trying to preserve their heritage. Goddamn racists/non cultural relativists!
I think it's worth pointing out that Native American culture is still alive today within the surviving tribes so the video's implication that immigration is going to destroy white culture or whatever is pretty ****ing ridiculous when you compare what the native Americans went through to what we are experiencing.
