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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?Shut up. Thts a tiny minority of people who actually do that stuff. There's twisted people everywhere, so how can u generalise and say thts the main reason? You just need a reason to Badmouth western culture dont you?(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
i think the main difference is that they can see what is realy going on in western society. they see can see the real image other then the 'perfect civilization' that western media portrays is false and deep down it is SICK and TWISTED. these people see the dirty little secrets that westerners try to hide. i mean if you go on the news then you will see what i mean. front page stories like father locks up doughter for 24 years and rapes her, 15 year old son kills his mother and not to mension the horrid sexual crimes that one could only imagin. they don't want their sister suffering the same fate as a 14 year old pregnant british girl, hence they are more conservative.Last edited by nmudz_009; 07-04-2012 at 01:31. -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?(Original post by nmudz_009)
Shut up. Thts a tiny minority of people who actually do that stuff. There's twisted people everywhere, so how can u generalise and say thts the main reason? You just need a reason to Badmouth western culture dont you?
lool don't get angry at me, it is you progresive people that are doing this.
by the way this is the latest news on the anti-muslim daily mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ked-watch.html
once again i am sorry for you about your disgusting culture and people. i hope you westerners find a cure for you sickness( don;t go to a priest for the cure as he will rape you specail if you are a child and defensless)
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?Youger generations have grown up with freedom of thought whereas the older generation where forced to conform to the conservative ways so some of them now accept more liberal views because they can coz no one has a hold over themanymore?..Just a thought
Im only speaking from the pov of my aunts and uncles who hrew up with their dad being as strict as hell. Once he died, 4 or 5 out of 9 of them rebelled and some tried to turn away from Islam but now, 17 years later they're all back lol -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?Now I'm Muslim, but I really hate the arguments you're using. You're using the daily mail to generalise against all of western culture?(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
lool don't get angry at me, it is you progresive people that are doing this.
by the way this is the latest news on the anti-muslim daily mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ked-watch.html
once again i am sorry for you about your disgusting culture and people. i hope you westerners find a cure for you sickness( don;t go to a priest for the cure as he will rape you specail if you are a child and defensless)
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?while politics and the like has never been my strong point, this is just dopey...(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
i think the main difference is that they can see what is realy going on in western society. they see can see the real image other then the 'perfect civilization' that western media portrays is false and deep down it is SICK and TWISTED. these people see the dirty little secrets that westerners try to hide. i mean if you go on the news then you will see what i mean. front page stories like father locks up doughter for 24 years and rapes her, 15 year old son kills his mother and not to mension the horrid sexual crimes that one could only imagin. they don't want their sister suffering the same fate as a 14 year old pregnant british girl, hence they are more conservative.
keep hearing *******s about how the west is twisted, devious etc...as if the rest of the world is filled with sinless, law abiding, kind as hell saints...
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?were do you get this idea of people being forced to a more conservative view. i am sorry but it is a myth. you people try to think you are right by making up things(Original post by Vixen47)
Youger generations have grown up with freedom of thought whereas the older generation where forced to conform to the conservative ways so some of them now accept more liberal views because they can coz no one has a hold over themanymore?..Just a thought
Im only speaking from the pov of my aunts and uncles who hrew up with their dad being as strict as hell. Once he died, 4 or 5 out of 9 of them rebelled and some tried to turn away from Islam but now, 17 years later they're all back lol -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?You can find horrid stories everywhere you idiot(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
lool don't get angry at me, it is you progresive people that are doing this.
by the way this is the latest news on the anti-muslim daily mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ked-watch.html
once again i am sorry for you about your disgusting culture and people. i hope you westerners find a cure for you sickness( don;t go to a priest for the cure as he will rape you specail if you are a child and defensless)
much love
You may find it a disgusting culture, so why live here? Why come and live in the West? As I said, most people living in the West would be glad to say goodbye to weird religious people like you. The Western "disgusting culture" had achieved rather a lot in the last few centuries - the car, the aeroplane, the internet, televisions, electricity, modern medicine and muslims seem desperate to be part of this "disgusting culture" given the millions hiding in the backs of lorries and hanging onto rafts in a desperate attempt to get into Europe.
All I see is jealousy, Westerners are rich and powerful whilst the Islamic world is poor and pathetic.
Honestly, where would you rather live? Sweden or Yemen? Pakistan or Canada? Saudi or Germany? Somalia or New Zealand? Iran or Switzerland?Last edited by Cyanohydrin; 07-04-2012 at 01:50. -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
while politics and the like has never been my strong point, this is just dopey...
keep hearing *******s about how the west is twisted, devious etc...as if the rest of the world is filled with sinless, law abiding, kind as hell saints...
the rest of the world isn't sinless and they are not all saints, but they are not allways trying to take the moral high ground. the rest of the world isn't imposing their views on anyone nor labbling people terrorists because they disagree with them -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?the topic is about muslims and being conservative(Original post by emclme)
The topic is about Muslims
not about islam being peaceful or not
just because the word muslim is in the thread title doesnt mean you can instigate bullcrap -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
the rest of the world isn't sinless and they are not all saints, but they are not allways trying to take the moral high ground. the rest of the world isn't imposing their views on anyone nor labbling people terrorists because they disagree with them @ bold
if you saw a kid get beaten by his parents severely, are you just going to mind your own business and walk off?
im sure the big adults of the west know that
disagreeing =/= terrorism
'terror'-ists are lebelled such for the inhuman acts they use, 'terror'-ising a population to achieve their aims....hence 'terror'-ists
i...an offspring heavily under the influence of the west, consider you a dope, not a terrorist....Last edited by Dmon1Unlimited; 07-04-2012 at 02:15. -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?(Original post by Cyanohydrin)
You can find horrid stories everywhere you idiot
You may find it a disgusting culture, so why live here? Why come and live in the West? As I said, most people living in the West would be glad to say goodbye to weird religious people like you. The Western "disgusting culture" had achieved rather a lot in the last few centuries - the car, the aeroplane, the internet, televisions, electricity, modern medicine and muslims seem desperate to be part of this "disgusting culture" given the millions hiding in the backs of lorries and hanging onto rafts in a desperate attempt to get into Europe.
All I see is jealousy, Westerners are rich and powerful whilst the Islamic world is poor and pathetic.
Honestly, where would you rather live? Sweden or Yemen? Pakistan or Canada? Saudi or Germany? Somalia or New Zealand? Iran or Switzerland?
loool have i upset you little man. i think yamen and somalia would be very rich if they slaved people and killed people while forcing millions to fight their wars. i think they would be rich if they invaded other contries and took their natural riches.
how did these countries get rich, let me give you a clue. they didnt get rich from their own natural resources as they don't have any. -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?Well they wanted to escape the (relatively) high poverty and unemployment rates in their homeland. I'm not going to pretend to know a lot about the history of Pakistan but IIRC its recent history features numerous wars with India, as well as frequent military rule.(Original post by de_monies)
Let's be honest and say that most people came for work, and not because they wanted to escape any thing. Most Muslims in this country are Pakistani and AFAIK, Pakistan was a lot more peaceful back then (Minus the whole East/West Pakistan, Bangladesh thing) -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?Replace the poll subjects from "muslim" or even "christian" to "non-religious secularist" then all those respondants that give the most illiberal answer would probably be in jail for hate speech.
Religion is so wrapped up in cotton wool its rediculous.Last edited by prog2djent; 07-04-2012 at 02:37. -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?Upset me? Dude, I'm not the one sitting in the West, enjoying all the benefits of the West, whilst ranting and raving like an idiot about how much you hate living in the "filthy culture"(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
loool have i upset you little man. i think yamen and somalia would be very rich if they slaved people and killed people while forcing millions to fight their wars. i think they would be rich if they invaded other contries and took their natural riches.
how did these countries get rich, let me give you a clue. they didnt get rich from their own natural resources as they don't have any.
I don't care about colonial empires 200 years ago, although it is worth noting that Europeans were wealthier and hence had more successful societies prior to any colonialism - otherwise how would they have been able to travel overseas and establish an empire with no opposition? Did the West enrich itself at the expense of minorities and the Third World through its distinctive crimes of slavery and colonialism? This thesis is hard to sustain, because there is nothing distinctively Western about slavery or colonialism. The West had its empires, but so did the Persians, the Mongols, the Chinese, and the Turks. Some Western empires like Britain and France grew rich, while others like Spain and Portugal remained poor. And if colonialism is a universal institution, so is slavery. Slavery has existed in every known civilization, from China to India to Africa to pre-Columbian America.
None of this is to deny that the West, like every other culture, has shown itself to be arrogant and oppressive when it had the chance. Oppression and exploitation, however, were not the cause of Western success; they were the fruits of that success. Those who say that the developed world has exclusively grown rich at their expense are simply wrong. The real cause of Western wealth and power is the dynamic interaction of science, capitalism, and democracy. Working together, these institutions have created our commercial, technological, participatory society.
All I see is a jealous little boy angry that the West is obviously the best place to live in the world
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?What on earth are you talking about? I honestly don't understand what this paragraph of nonsense is trying to say?(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
i think the main difference is that they can see what is realy going on in western society. they see can see the real image other then the 'perfect civilization' that western media portrays is false and deep down it is SICK and TWISTED. these people see the dirty little secrets that westerners try to hide. i mean if you go on the news then you will see what i mean. front page stories like father locks up doughter for 24 years and rapes her, 15 year old son kills his mother and not to mension the horrid sexual crimes that one could only imagin. they don't want their sister suffering the same fate as a 14 year old pregnant british girl, hence they are more conservative.
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?[QUOTE=Cyanohydrin;37036945]Upset me? Dude, I'm not the one sitting in the West, enjoying all the benefits of the West, whilst ranting and raving like an idiot about how much you hate living in the "filthy culture"
I don't care about colonial empires 200 years ago, although it is worth noting that Europeans were wealthier and hence had more successful societies prior to any colonialism - otherwise how would they have been able to travel overseas and establish an empire with no opposition? Did the West enrich itself at the expense of minorities and the Third World through its distinctive crimes of slavery and colonialism? This thesis is hard to sustain, because there is nothing distinctively Western about slavery or colonialism. The West had its empires, but so did the Persians, the Mongols, the Chinese, and the Turks. Some Western empires like Britain and France grew rich, while others like Spain and Portugal remained poor. And if colonialism is a universal institution, so is slavery. Slavery has existed in every known civilization, from China to India to Africa to pre-Columbian America.
None of this is to deny that the West, like every other culture, has shown itself to be arrogant and oppressive when it had the chance. Oppression and exploitation, however, were not the cause of Western success; they were the fruits of that success. Those who say that the developed world has exclusively grown rich at their expense are simply wrong. The real cause of Western wealth and power is the dynamic interaction of science, capitalism, and democracy. Working together, these institutions have created our commercial, technological, participatory society.
All I see is a jealous little boy angry that the West is obviously the best place to live in the world
i don't personaly hate the west but they need to stop attacking anyone that speaks out aganist them. -
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?(Original post by Organ)
What on earth are you talking about? I honestly don't understand what this paragraph of nonsense is trying to say?
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Re: Young British Muslims more conservative than their elders?Yeah I read it a few times, still no idea what you are talking about.(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
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