[Notethis]

This is a statistical investigation into the link between ethnicity and the recent riots, and a criticism on the media coverage of the disturbances. I've taken the conclusion from the study, but if you want to read further/examine methodology I've left the link to the author's publication at the bottom of the post.
Share your thoughts in this thread.

Purpose of study

The media seem to focus exclusively on the social class of the August rioters, while claiming the absence of a large ethnocultural undercurrent. There is an excessive concentration on 'chavs' or 'yobs', who are understood to be white. However, chavs form but a minority of rioters and looters, while the disproportionate majority is Black African and Afro-Caribbean. This will be illustrated below using authoritative sources, in three arguments.

Conclusion

Both theoretical and empirical evidence shows that it is improper to disconnect the August 2011 riots from race and ethnic culture. It is, likewise, inappropriate to associate it with the uneducated, low-skilled white lower class ('chavs'). It was severely underrepresented in the riots, and did not produce riots in numerous poor non-black areas. None of the socioeconomic factors have the same predicting power as black ethnicity in this case. In fact, they are largely meaningless to the riots when not a correlate of black population.

Why the black community played such a prominent role in the riots may be disputed. But it is clear that role of the black community was greater than that of any other group, and it should be accordingly regarded in the media.















Link to data

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http://humstats.blogspot.co.uk/2011/...tatistics.html

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Necessary to give white rioters disproportionate coverage for "community cohesion".

[Notethis]

(Original post by Bonged.)
Necessary to give white rioters disproportionate coverage for "community cohesion".

There was disproportionate coverage of white looters and the community cohesion could hardly have been worse.

Do you think the rioters looked at the BBC and had their tendency toward vandalism diminished because the skin colour of the rioters was spread nicely across a spectrum?

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(Original post by Notethis)
There was disproportionate coverage of white looters and the community cohesion could hardly have been worse.

Do you think the rioters looked at the BBC and had their tendency toward vandalism diminished because the skin colour of the rioters was spread nicely across a spectrum?

Christ no, I'm just saying that's the multiculturalist's argument. Truth doesn't matter, what matters is "community cohesion".

[Notethis]

(Original post by Bonged.)
Christ no, I'm just saying that's the multiculturalist's argument. Truth doesn't matter, what matters is "community cohesion".

Or a more obvious reason might be that Jewish media magnates are promoting a process by which any centralised national identity which tends towards discrimination is decimated, in order to engender an environment in which a "minority group" whose existence is based on discrimination is invincible to critical action, even if the foreign policy of said group contravenes international human rights laws.

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(Original post by Notethis)
Or a more obvious reason might be that Jewish media magnates are promoting a process by which any centralised national identity which tends towards discrimination is decimated, in order to engender an environment in which a "minority group" whose existence is based on discrimination is invincible to critical action, even if the foreign policy of said group contravenes international human rights laws.

well, no not really. It's because our current welfare state is unsustainable with native european birth rates, therefore birth rates are *ahem* supplemented with mass immigration. therefore "community cohesion" is essential if people wish to continue with our current benefits system, pensions, etc.

[acedlol]

Crapstorm incoming.

[Notethis]

(Original post by Bonged.)
well, no not really. It's because our current welfare state is unsustainable with native european birth rates, therefore birth rates are *ahem* supplemented with mass immigration. therefore "community cohesion" is essential if people wish to continue with our current benefits system, pensions, etc.

No what? No the media isn't in the hands of Jewish businessmen or no the Jews could not profit from fractured goyim identity?

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(Original post by Notethis)
No what? No the media isn't in the hands of Jewish businessmen or no the Jews could not profit from fractured goyim identity?

...what do jews have to do with this?

[Kruz]

1 2 3 4 I declare an argument now...

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Notethis)
This is a statistical investigation into the link between ethnicity and the recent riots, and a criticism on the media coverage of the disturbances. I've taken the conclusion from the study, but if you want to read further/examine methodology I've left the link to the author's publication at the bottom of the post.
Share your thoughts in this thread.

Purpose of study

The media seem to focus exclusively on the social class of the August rioters, while claiming the absence of a large ethnocultural undercurrent. There is an excessive concentration on 'chavs' or 'yobs', who are understood to be white. However, chavs form but a minority of rioters and looters, while the disproportionate majority is Black African and Afro-Caribbean. This will be illustrated below using authoritative sources, in three arguments.

Conclusion

Both theoretical and empirical evidence shows that it is improper to disconnect the August 2011 riots from race and ethnic culture. It is, likewise, inappropriate to associate it with the uneducated, low-skilled white lower class ('chavs'). It was severely underrepresented in the riots, and did not produce riots in numerous poor non-black areas. None of the socioeconomic factors have the same predicting power as black ethnicity in this case. In fact, they are largely meaningless to the riots when not a correlate of black population.

Why the black community played such a prominent role in the riots may be disputed. But it is clear that role of the black community was greater than that of any other group, and it should be accordingly regarded in the media.






link to data

Spoiler:

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http://humstats.blogspot.co.uk/2011/...tatistics.html

In the case of manchester, white criminals were the majority looters, according to your graph. There was no listing of nottingham, middlesborough, liverpool though on your stats, of which id suspect might show similar.
According to the official Home office stats - the majority of those arressted for looting- over 41% were white, 39% were black and 11% mixed.

the only really standout is that over 90% or so of looters on cctv etc were either black white or mixed black-white.

whats your point?

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Notethis)
This is a statistical investigation into the link between ethnicity and the recent riots, and a criticism on the media coverage of the disturbances. I've taken the conclusion from the study, but if you want to read further/examine methodology I've left the link to the author's publication at the bottom of the post. Share your thoughts in this thread.

Purpose of study

The media seem to focus exclusively on the social class of the August rioters, while claiming the absence of a large ethnocultural undercurrent. There is an excessive concentration on 'chavs' or 'yobs', who are understood to be white. However, chavs form but a minority of rioters and looters, while the disproportionate majority is Black African and Afro-Caribbean. This will be illustrated below using authoritative sources, in three arguments.

Conclusion

Both theoretical and empirical evidence shows that it is improper to disconnect the August 2011 riots from race and ethnic culture. It is, likewise, inappropriate to associate it with the uneducated, low-skilled white lower class ('chavs'). It was severely underrepresented in the riots, and did not produce riots in numerous poor non-black areas. None of the socioeconomic factors have the same predicting power as black ethnicity in this case. In fact, they are largely meaningless to the riots when not a correlate of black population. Why the black community played such a prominent role in the riots may be disputed. But it is clear that role of the black community was greater than that of any other group, and it should be accordingly regarded in the media.

Link to data

Spoiler:

Show

http://humstats.blogspot.co.uk/2011/...tatistics.html

Without a multivariate analysis juxtaposing the proportional significance of the socioeconomic factors, any claim that they lack '[predictive] power' is baseless and meaningless. There were two good comments on that page:

• The role of communication, particularly BBM and Twitter as a means of encouraging social unrest.
• The externally-ascribed ethnicity to persons depicted in unclear CCTV footage.

In reference to the latter, you are presupposing ethno-cultural causality based on the extremely facile dichotomy of 'black' and 'white' (what about the various Asian groups and persons of mixed descent?) when sociocultural groups do not follow such rigid lines; e.g., a recently arrived Polish migrant will not have the same cultural traits as a British East Londoner, yet you have lumped them into a single assumed culture based on their externally-ascribed category of skin colour alone. How exactly do you know the people in the footage self-identify as being either 'black' or 'white', and on what basis do you declare there is a single 'black' and 'white' culture?

There is an outstanding dearth of socioeconomic comparisons in that 'study'. Analysis of social class and employment status alone as a means of declaring socioeconomic factors are inconsequential is simply laughable. It uses individuals' skin colours and compares them to generalised social class/employment data... For any statistical validity, the person's self-ascribed ethnicity and their employment/social class/other socioeconomic factors must be included in a multivariate analysis. In fact, I posit there is an individual trend of circumstances that are responsible for the crime, such as

• *communication with persons engaging or conspiring to engage in social unrest (the more peer pressure and members within a group, the more confident a person will feel when committing opportunistic theft);
• access to mass communication devices/media;
• mobility and the ability to flee from the police when necessary (unless you're suggesting 'black' people in general—including the elderly, young children and physically/psychologically impaired—were equally likely to be contributory agents in the riots);
• *proximity to stores selling luxury/fashionable goods;
• *the amount of unrest already in the vicinity and the consequent belief that they are a needle in a haystack and won't be caught (acts as an encouraging factor to opportunistic theft, especially when a store has already been broken into—"I'm just one more person, and the item will be stolen anyway, so what's the harm?" is the mentality),
• parental authoritarianism and the amount of surveillance any guardians were placing on the individuals in their custody;
• to a lesser extent, the long-term risks of becoming involved in the disorder (people in professional occupations were not as likely to get involved, although this may be overridden depending on the significance of the starred elements);
• amongst other reasons.

All of the above are broadly spatial and social mechanisms, with the starred ones possibly being the most potent across all contributory parties. Economic factors will bear minimal influence due to the opportunistic nature of the crime, so employment and social class are of less significance in this particular case.

[ChampEon]

Regardless of what you say, the rioters were almost an equal mix of white 'chavs' and black 'gangsters'. You can see it from all the photos out there.
Anyway I'm just glad (and proud) that no Asians took part, and instead decided to defend their communities by chasing away the hordes of rioters that entered their areas.
In fact, in some communities, like Whitechapel (where the majority of Bangladeshis live), about 1500 Muslim worshippers stood outside East London Mosque and beat away rioters. As a result there were only 2 or 3 smashed windows in the whole area! Quite impressive i say.
Whatever article you look up on Muslims and the London riots, they will all say that Muslims defended their areas.

And yet... if there were even a few Muslims visibly rioting, I KNOW that they would've been blamed for it all...

[Meus]

Ethnicity isn't a factor because your skin colour doesn't determine your behaviour much less imply an inherent trait of criminality; you don't riot and loot simply because you're black. So irrespective of the alleged bias of the media, it doesn't change anything in terms of placing blame.

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(Original post by ChampEon)
Regardless of what you say, the rioters were almost an equal mix of white 'chavs' and black 'gangsters'. You can see it from all the photos out there.
Anyway I'm just glad (and proud) that no Asians took part, and instead decided to defend their communities by chasing away the hordes of rioters that entered their areas.
In fact, in some communities, like Whitechapel (where the majority of Bangladeshis live), about 1500 Muslim worshippers stood outside East London Mosque and beat away rioters. As a result there were only 2 or 3 smashed windows in the whole area! Quite impressive i say.
Whatever article you look up on Muslims and the London riots, they will all say that Muslims defended their areas.

And yet... if there were even a few Muslims visibly rioting, I KNOW that they would've been blamed for it all...

Because the media always represents everything accurately.

None at all?

Tbh the riots were very good pr for the muslim community. Everyone else was so jealous that they couldn't stand up for their areas. I think some white guys did in Eltham or Enfield, but that made them racist and they got kettled by the police.

[Notethis]

Another example of the ridiculous push for equal guilt

[Notethis]

(Original post by Meus)
Ethnicity isn't a factor because your skin colour doesn't determine your behaviour much less imply an inherent trait of criminality; you don't riot and loot simply because you're black. So irrespective of the alleged bias of the media, it doesn't change anything in terms of placing blame.

Ethnicity isn't simply skin colour; it is genetics. Colour doesn't cause rioting, but it's possible, some will contend probable, especially in view of the riots, that a genetic makeup can predispose one to impulsiveness that manifests itself in violence and lack of social responsibility.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by Notethis)
Ethnicity isn't simply skin colour; it is genetics. Colour doesn't cause rioting, but it's possible, some will contend probable, especially in view of the riots, that a genetic makeup can predispose one to impulsiveness that manifests itself in violence and lack of social responsibility.

Evidence this postulation.

[Notethis]

(Original post by ChampEon)
Regardless of what you say, the rioters were almost an equal mix of white 'chavs' and black 'gangsters'.

Erm, no, they weren't. That was the point of this thread, and you'd know that if you'd just glance at the statistics. Honestly, where could you even draw the notion that it was an even split from?

[Phantom Lord]

The person who compiled that must have had a lot of time on his hands..