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    Hello,

    This weekend, many Christians are remembering what we believe happened concerning the suffering and pain Jesus endured: Jesus, who we believe is the Messiah, the King who God promised to be on the throne of King David forever, the Son of God.

    We believe that Jesus fulfills and will fulfill the prophesies that God gave to the Israelite people. Even though I understand that many Jewish people do not accept Jesus, and they have their reasons, and they are to be respected and loved and not persecuted or killed or hurt for it. Sad to say, many "Christians" have persecuted and hurt and forced converted and killed others for not being their kind of "Christian."

    However, even if you are an Atheist or a person of another belief in God, maybe you are interested in what Christians believe and why, though of course you do not agree. Below are some of the prophesies that Christians believe Jesus fulfills, including the pain and suffering he endured for us.

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    1 Chronicles 17 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    " “‘I declare to you that the LORD will build a house for you: 11 When your days are over and you go to be with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He is the one who will build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. 13 I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. 14 I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.’”

    15 Nathan reported to David all the words of this entire revelation. "

    Psalm 2 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    "4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
    5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
    6 “I have installed my king
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

    7 I will proclaim the LORD’s decree:

    He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.

    8 Ask me,
    and I will make the nations your inheritance,
    the ends of the earth your possession. "

    Psalm 89 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    "19 Once you spoke in a vision,
    to your faithful people you said:
    “I have bestowed strength on a warrior;
    I have raised up a young man from among the people.
    20 I have found David my servant;
    with my sacred oil I have anointed him.
    21 My hand will sustain him;
    surely my arm will strengthen him.
    22 The enemy will not get the better of him;
    the wicked will not oppress him.
    23 I will crush his foes before him
    and strike down his adversaries.
    24 My faithful love will be with him,
    and through my name his horn[f] will be exalted.
    25 I will set his hand over the sea,
    his right hand over the rivers.
    26 He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father,
    my God, the Rock my Savior.’
    27 And I will appoint him to be my firstborn,
    the most exalted of the kings of the earth.
    28 I will maintain my love to him forever,
    and my covenant with him will never fail.
    29 I will establish his line forever,
    his throne as long as the heavens endure. "


    Psalm 22 (NIV) - I boldened some and placed references to where Christians believe Jesus fulfills specific prophesies, accounted in the New Testament.

    " In Hebrew texts 22:1-31 is numbered 22:2-32
    .

    For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.

    1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46)
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from my cries of anguish?
    2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, but I find no rest.[Or night, and am not silent]

    3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the one Israel praises.[Or Yet you are holy, / enthroned on the praises of Israel]
    4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.
    5 To you they cried out and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not put to shame.

    6 But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
    7 All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
    8 “He trusts in the LORD,” they say,
    “let the LORD rescue him. (Matthew 27:41-43)
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”


    9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
    10 From birth I was cast on you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

    11 Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

    12 Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
    13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.
    14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.

    My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted within me.
    15 My mouth[Probable reading of the original Hebrew text; Masoretic Text strength] is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.


    16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce[Dead Sea Scrolls and some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Septuagint and Syriac; most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text me, / like a lion] my hands and my feet.

    17 All my bones are on display;
    people stare and gloat over me.
    18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.
    (Matthew 27:35)

    19 But you, LORD, do not be far from me.
    You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
    20 Deliver me from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.
    21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

    22 I will declare your name to my people;
    in the assembly I will praise you.
    23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
    24 For he has not despised or scorned
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.

    25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you[Hebrew him] I will fulfill my vows.
    26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    those who seek the LORD will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!

    27 All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the LORD,
    and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,
    28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
    and he rules over the nations.

    29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.
    30 Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.
    31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
    declaring to a people yet unborn:
    He has done it! "


    Isaiah 52 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    " 13 See, my servant will act wisely[Or will prosper];
    he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
    14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him[Hebrew you]—
    his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
    and his form marred beyond human likeness—
    15 so he will sprinkle many nations,[Or so will many nations be amazed at him (see also Septuagint)]

    and kings will shut their mouths because of him.
    For what they were not told, they will see,
    and what they have not heard, they will understand."

    Isaiah 53 (NIV) - I boldened some and placed references from New Testament in parenthesis)

    " 1 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
    2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
    He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
    3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
    Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

    4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
    yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
    5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
    6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
    and the LORD has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
    7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
    he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,(John 1 :29)

    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth. (Matthew 26:62-63)
    8 By oppression[Or From arrest] and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
    For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.[Or generation considered / that he was cut off from the land of the living, / that he was punished for the transgression of my people?]
    9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
    though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.


    10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the LORD makes[Hebrew though you make] his life an offering for sin,

    he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
    11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life[Dead Sea Scrolls (see also Septuagint); Masoretic Text does not have the light of life.] and be satisfied[Or (with Masoretic Text) He will see the fruit of his suffering / and will be satisfied];
    by his knowledge[Or by knowledge of him] my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
    12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[Or many]
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[Or numerous]
    because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
    For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors. "

    (Matthew 1:20-21)

    The miraculous birth of Jesus (which most Christians celebrate during the holiday Christmas) and the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus (which most Christians remember and celebrate on Easter) are extremely important beliefs that Christians have concerning Jesus.

    Sad to say, some "Christians" have persecuted and murdered Jewish people, calling them "Christ killers.' However, true Christians understand the following points:

    1. Jesus, his mother Mary, his 12 apostles, and the early Christians are all Jewish (descendants of Israel/Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham)
    2. We all "killed" Jesus, everyone, not just the Jewish people... we all did, with the Roman soldiers being specifically those who did. Our sins are what hurt and killed him.
    3. There are till this day Jewish believers in Jesus, as well as Gentiles by God's grace. (See Acts 10 and Acts 15, when the first Gentile believers "officially" believed in Jesus.) Jesus' suffering is NOT to motivate his followers to kill or hurt others NO, but rather Christians believe that because of Jesus' suffering and death, God forgives us of our sins through the blood Jesus shed once for all. Christians believe that Jesus' suffering and death fulfills the animal sacrifices God commanded the Israelites to do in from the time of Moses. (See the Torah)

    Christians believe that God loves people so much that through Jesus' suffering and death, He felt physical pain like people all over the world sadly and tragically feel pain. Terribly, thousands and thousands of people all over the world through generations have felt pain through torture, rape, disease, murder, and so on. Christians believe that God felt pain for us, because of His love and mercy for us, through the pain Jesus endured. However, Christians also believe that God rose Jesus from the dead and that people will one day rise from the dead too!

    So, even though this may not be what you believe, maybe it helps you understand a little better what Christians believe?

    Even though you may totally 100% disagree with all the above, could you please respect it? If you would like to explain in a courteous and intellectual way why you disagree, that would be interesting to read why. This thread is NOT to persuade you to believe what I and other Christians believe, but rather to explain a little why Christians believe it.


    Thanks for your patience if you read all this long thread.

    Peace and God bless you, and Happy Easter to those who remember Jesus' crucifixion and celebrate Jesus' resurrection, and Happy Easter to those who just enjoy decorating eggs and snuggling adorable chicks and bunny rabbits (animals, not females lol) and Happy Passover to those who are Jewish who remember when God rescued the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt, and I am so sorry on behalf of all "Christians" who persecute, mock, insult, and have killed Jewish people and other people.

    May God help all people of whatever belief (or no belief in God) to live in peace!
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    (Original post by animatine)
    Since the UK is a Christian country traditionally, is there a person here who doesn't understand the meaning/significance of Easter?
    I'm sure there's lots. I was speaking to someone yesterday that didn't know what Good Friday was.
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    Apologies... I didn't read all of that.

    This might be interesting. Just translate it to english if you're on Chrome. Basically a bunch of people volunteered to be crucified (temporarily... not to die lol)

    I've always understood the cricifixion and I understand why people take it so seriously.

    Enjoy your Easter

    (Original post by Christianlady)
    Peace and God bless you, and Happy Easter to those who remember Jesus' crucifixion and celebrate Jesus' resurrection, and Happy Easter to those who just enjoy decorating eggs and snuggling adorable chicks and bunny rabbits (animals, not females lol)
    :mmm:
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    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    I'm sure there's lots. I was speaking to someone yesterday that didn't know what Good Friday was.
    To be honest I couldn't tell you what it was apart from a holy day of the year (and of course a Friday) without a quick google search.
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    I bet you anything that someone will pop along to ruin this thread.
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    A lot of films have been done on the crucifixion, but none of them can ever truly give us a picture of what Jesus endured. The Bible paints us a picture throughout it's pages. It said that His visage was marred more than any man. Showing us that He was beaten up so badly, we wouldn't have recognized Him if we knew what He looked like before. He was beaten so badly by the roman whips, his bones from his back were exposed. (No one knows how many times they whipped Jesus, but as Christians know, by His stripes we are healed. How many stripes would it take to heal the world? No wonder His bones were exposed.)



    With the extreme beating He took, it probably tore away some of His muscle tendons in His legs. Which is why He fell down and couldn't carry the cross at a certain point. He was finally stripped of all His clothing and nailed to the cross. On top of all that, the sin of the whole world was laid on Him. How many times have we felt guilty of doing something, so much so to the point of depression? Jesus took on all of that at the cross, all of our guilt and depression, all at the same time. The Bible called Jesus "The Man of sorrows". (Also most people forget that Jesus probably didn't sleep an ounce the night before, when He was arrested.) Jesus went through and endured all of this for our sake, and He accomplished the way of our salvation.:cool:
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    (Original post by Christianlady)
    Hello,

    This weekend, many Christians are remembering what we believe happened concerning the suffering and pain Jesus endured: Jesus, who we believe is the Messiah, the King who God promised to be on the throne of King David forever, the Son of God.

    We believe that Jesus fulfills and will fulfill the prophesies that God gave to the Israelite people. Even though I understand that many Jewish people do not accept Jesus, and they have their reasons, and they are to be respected and loved and not persecuted or killed or hurt for it. Sad to say, many "Christians" have persecuted and hurt and forced converted and killed others for not being their kind of "Christian."

    However, even if you are an Atheist or a person of another belief in God, maybe you are interested in what Christians believe and why, though of course you do not agree. Below are some of the prophesies that Christians believe Jesus fulfills, including the pain and suffering he endured for us.


    1 Chronicles 17 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    " “‘I declare to you that the LORD will build a house for you: 11 When your days are over and you go to be with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He is the one who will build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. 13 I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. 14 I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.’”

    15 Nathan reported to David all the words of this entire revelation. "

    Psalm 2 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    "4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
    5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
    6 “I have installed my king
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

    7 I will proclaim the LORD’s decree:

    He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.

    8 Ask me,
    and I will make the nations your inheritance,
    the ends of the earth your possession. "

    Psalm 89 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    "19 Once you spoke in a vision,
    to your faithful people you said:
    “I have bestowed strength on a warrior;
    I have raised up a young man from among the people.
    20 I have found David my servant;
    with my sacred oil I have anointed him.
    21 My hand will sustain him;
    surely my arm will strengthen him.
    22 The enemy will not get the better of him;
    the wicked will not oppress him.
    23 I will crush his foes before him
    and strike down his adversaries.
    24 My faithful love will be with him,
    and through my name his horn[f] will be exalted.
    25 I will set his hand over the sea,
    his right hand over the rivers.
    26 He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father,
    my God, the Rock my Savior.’
    27 And I will appoint him to be my firstborn,
    the most exalted of the kings of the earth.
    28 I will maintain my love to him forever,
    and my covenant with him will never fail.
    29 I will establish his line forever,
    his throne as long as the heavens endure. "


    Psalm 22 (NIV) - I boldened some and placed references to where Christians believe Jesus fulfills specific prophesies, accounted in the New Testament.

    " In Hebrew texts 22:1-31 is numbered 22:2-32
    .

    For the director of music. To the tune of “The Doe of the Morning.” A psalm of David.

    1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46)
    Why are you so far from saving me,
    so far from my cries of anguish?
    2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
    by night, but I find no rest.[Or night, and am not silent]

    3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
    you are the one Israel praises.[Or Yet you are holy, / enthroned on the praises of Israel]
    4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
    they trusted and you delivered them.
    5 To you they cried out and were saved;
    in you they trusted and were not put to shame.

    6 But I am a worm and not a man,
    scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
    7 All who see me mock me;
    they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
    8 “He trusts in the LORD,” they say,
    “let the LORD rescue him. (Matthew 27:41-43)
    Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”


    9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
    10 From birth I was cast on you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

    11 Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

    12 Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
    13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.
    14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.

    My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted within me.
    15 My mouth[Probable reading of the original Hebrew text; Masoretic Text strength] is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.


    16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce[Dead Sea Scrolls and some manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Septuagint and Syriac; most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text me, / like a lion] my hands and my feet.

    17 All my bones are on display;
    people stare and gloat over me.
    18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.
    (Matthew 27:35)

    19 But you, LORD, do not be far from me.
    You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
    20 Deliver me from the sword,
    my precious life from the power of the dogs.
    21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
    save me from the horns of the wild oxen.

    22 I will declare your name to my people;
    in the assembly I will praise you.
    23 You who fear the LORD, praise him!
    All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
    Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
    24 For he has not despised or scorned
    the suffering of the afflicted one;
    he has not hidden his face from him
    but has listened to his cry for help.

    25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
    before those who fear you[Hebrew him] I will fulfill my vows.
    26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
    those who seek the LORD will praise him—
    may your hearts live forever!

    27 All the ends of the earth
    will remember and turn to the LORD,
    and all the families of the nations
    will bow down before him,
    28 for dominion belongs to the LORD
    and he rules over the nations.

    29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
    all who go down to the dust will kneel before him—
    those who cannot keep themselves alive.
    30 Posterity will serve him;
    future generations will be told about the Lord.
    31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
    declaring to a people yet unborn:
    He has done it! "


    Isaiah 52 (NIV) - I boldened some.

    " 13 See, my servant will act wisely[Or will prosper];
    he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
    14 Just as there were many who were appalled at him[Hebrew you]—
    his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being
    and his form marred beyond human likeness—
    15 so he will sprinkle many nations,[Or so will many nations be amazed at him (see also Septuagint)]

    and kings will shut their mouths because of him.
    For what they were not told, they will see,
    and what they have not heard, they will understand."

    Isaiah 53 (NIV) - I boldened some and placed references from New Testament in parenthesis)

    " 1 Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
    2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
    He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
    3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
    Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

    4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
    yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
    5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
    the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
    6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
    and the LORD has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
    7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
    he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,(John 1 :29)

    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth. (Matthew 26:62-63)
    8 By oppression[Or From arrest] and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
    For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.[Or generation considered / that he was cut off from the land of the living, / that he was punished for the transgression of my people?]
    9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
    though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.


    10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the LORD makes[Hebrew though you make] his life an offering for sin,

    he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
    11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life[Dead Sea Scrolls (see also Septuagint); Masoretic Text does not have the light of life.] and be satisfied[Or (with Masoretic Text) He will see the fruit of his suffering / and will be satisfied];
    by his knowledge[Or by knowledge of him] my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
    12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[Or many]
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[Or numerous]
    because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
    For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors. "

    (Matthew 1:20-21)

    The miraculous birth of Jesus (which most Christians celebrate during the holiday Christmas) and the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus (which most Christians remember and celebrate on Easter) are extremely important beliefs that Christians have concerning Jesus.

    Sad to say, some "Christians" have persecuted and murdered Jewish people, calling them "Christ killers.' However, true Christians understand the following points:

    1. Jesus, his mother Mary, his 12 apostles, and the early Christians are all Jewish (descendants of Israel/Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham)
    2. We all "killed" Jesus, everyone, not just the Jewish people... we all did, with the Roman soldiers being specifically those who did. Our sins are what hurt and killed him.
    3. There are till this day Jewish believers in Jesus, as well as Gentiles by God's grace. (See Acts 10 and Acts 15, when the first Gentile believers "officially" believed in Jesus.) Jesus' suffering is NOT to motivate his followers to kill or hurt others NO, but rather Christians believe that because of Jesus' suffering and death, God forgives us of our sins through the blood Jesus shed once for all. Christians believe that Jesus' suffering and death fulfills the animal sacrifices God commanded the Israelites to do in from the time of Moses. (See the Torah)

    Christians believe that God loves people so much that through Jesus' suffering and death, He felt physical pain like people all over the world sadly and tragically feel pain. Terribly, thousands and thousands of people all over the world through generations have felt pain through torture, rape, disease, murder, and so on. Christians believe that God felt pain for us, because of His love and mercy for us, through the pain Jesus endured. However, Christians also believe that God rose Jesus from the dead and that people will one day rise from the dead too!

    So, even though this may not be what you believe, maybe it helps you understand a little better what Christians believe?

    Even though you may totally 100% disagree with all the above, could you please respect it? If you would like to explain in a courteous and intellectual way why you disagree, that would be interesting to read why. This thread is NOT to persuade you to believe what I and other Christians believe, but rather to explain a little why Christians believe it.

    Thanks for your patience if you read all this long thread.

    Peace and God bless you, and Happy Easter to those who remember Jesus' crucifixion and celebrate Jesus' resurrection, and Happy Easter to those who just enjoy decorating eggs and snuggling adorable chicks and bunny rabbits (animals, not females lol) and Happy Passover to those who are Jewish who remember when God rescued the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt, and I am so sorry on behalf of all "Christians" who persecute, mock, insult, and have killed Jewish people and other people.

    May God help all people of whatever belief (or no belief in God) to live in peace!
    The Romans tortured and crucified thousands of people, so let's not pretend that Jesus was unique in the amount of suffering he endured.
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    I'll admit I troll around and I am an agnostic, but I genuinely think that Jesus was probably the coolest dude who ever lived. Chilled as ****.
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    hopefully the ' you know who's' won't do there fair sharing of thumbing down on this one.
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    I didn't kill Jesus.
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    As someone else wrote here; the pain Jesus suffered on the cross is not unique, for others were crucified as well including the two flanked torch bearers..I mean criminals. In fact, crucifixion seems to go back to ancient times. Moses was ordered to crucifiy some of his people. The Sumerians depicted the goddess Innana crucified. The Egyptians put Osiris on the Djed pillar before his resurrection. And the Greeks strapped a god to a tree as a sacrifice.
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    Yes, many people have been crucified, yet how many people took on the sins of the whole world? I also doubt they were the bloody heap that Jesus was on the cross. I believe most who died on the cross, the most they receive before being nailed to it, is a flogging. Jesus was flogged, beaten, spat on, and beaten some more. This went on from the night of His arrest, all the way to when He was finally nailed on the cross. He was still mocked while on the cross, and was insulted by both the criminals that were crucified with Him. (Of course one finally realized who Jesus was) I really doubt this much punishment and attention was given to others who was crucified. Even if that were so, they would have been screaming and fighting all the way. Jesus received all of it in spite of being completely innocent, and even forgave those who were still insulting, mocking, and beating Him.



    To put it simply, there is no comparison here.
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    Jesus already knew that he was going to Heaven though, so it's not too much trouble for him?

    I'll throw it in here, a bruised ego does not constitute real suffering.
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    (Original post by JollyGreenAtheist)
    Jesus already knew that he was going to Heaven though, so it's not too much trouble for him?

    I'll throw it in here, a bruised ego does not constitute real suffering.


    Jesus knew who He was. Going to Heaven? He created Heaven. If only ruling was on His mind, He was already ruling before He became Jesus. He could have wiped off man from the face of the planet, wiped Satan and his minions away, and problem solved. (If there was a problem)


    He has always existed, never was a time where He didn't exist. He was God in the flesh. He truly suffered because this would be the first time that He has felt evil, and seperation from His Father. He was seperated from His Father because of our sin, for the first time since never. That is truly suffering, which is why He prayed if there would be another way for the salvation of man would work, but ultimately knew His sacrifice was the will of the Father. That God wasn't just sitting afar from man, but gave us His very best for our sake.


    Yes, God is long suffering for our sake, because He loves us deeply.
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    (Original post by najinaji)
    Looking forward to the eggs tommorow. :grin:
    :rolleyes:

    I can't believe the amount of people who just can't refrain themselves and just have to make sarky/ insulting remarks.

    This thread isn't about debate, it's just to celebrate the Christian meaning of Easter. If you aren't a Christian and can't accept those who are, then go and create your own thread. Quit poisoning this one, let there be one thread where all criticism and debate is just pushed to one side.
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    (Original post by Okashira)
    Jesus knew who He was. Going to Heaven? He created Heaven. If only ruling was on His mind, He was already ruling before He became Jesus. He could have wiped off man from the face of the planet, wiped Satan and his minions away, and problem solved. (If there was a problem)


    He has always existed, never was a time where He didn't exist. He was God in the flesh. He truly suffered because this would be the first time that He has felt evil, and seperation from His Father. He was seperated from His Father because of our sin, for the first time since never. That is truly suffering, which is why He prayed if there would be another way for the salvation of man would work, but ultimately knew His sacrifice was the will of the Father. That God wasn't just sitting afar from man, but gave us His very best for our sake.


    Yes, God is long suffering for our sake, because He loves us deeply.
    Yeah, it seems like he's making a big song and dance about it, really. What a drama queen :/
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    (Original post by chickenonsteroids)
    The amount of chocolate they put in each egg is decreasing :no: :no:

    I remember when i'd get 3 chocolate bars instead of 2 :moon:
    Ah, 'tis a shame. I remember having to quite heftily punch a hole in my eggs as a child.

    (Original post by EffieFlowers)
    :rolleyes:

    I can't believe the amount of people who just can't refrain themselves and just have to make sarky/ insulting remarks.

    This thread isn't about debate, it's just to celebrate the Christian meaning of Easter. If you aren't a Christian and can't accept those who are, then go and create your own thread. Quit poisoning this one, let there be one thread where all criticism and debate is just pushed to one side.
    Celebrating Jesus' resurrection with chocolate is pretty respectful, is it not?

    Also, I accept Christianity, but I also happen to think it's silly, and am well within my right to mock it as I please. Christians already get to dictate who I can and can't marry, what laws are passed through the House of Lords, make their own charities with no questions asked, get to make schools preaching their doctrine to children as young as 4, and also get to exclude children who don't fit into their perfect Christian model (mostly gay pupils). Can you say 'special rights' or what?
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    Lots of people were crucified and they didn't bang on about it for 2000+ years, talk about attention seeking :rolleyes: and what about all the other nameless people who were killed in the same way? the only reason anyone cares about this Jesus fella is because his dad was a big shot. social inequality tbh.

    also not getting the connection between your god dying painfully on a cross covered in his own blood and decorated chocolate eggs delivered by a giant fluffy bunny? there seems to be a gap of information.
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    No offence OP but you need to get a grip and maybe quit smoking the wacky baccy, no one cares about the 'pain' some mythical person 'suffered' like a million years ago, the only reason to celebrate Easter is for the chocolate eggs.

    I've got 5 so far this year and more to come tomorrow, mmmm KitKat Chunky and Flake are my favourites and I'm also hoping to get a Lindt bunny.

    CHOCOLATE EGGS RULE, HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE
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    (Original post by Okashira)
    Jesus knew who He was. Going to Heaven? He created Heaven. If only ruling was on His mind, He was already ruling before He became Jesus. He could have wiped off man from the face of the planet, wiped Satan and his minions away, and problem solved. (If there was a problem)
    If Satan is a problem, then why create him in the first place?

    Yes, God is long suffering for our sake, because He loves us deeply.
    How is it possible for God to suffer? How is it possible for God to feel pain?

    Sorry if I sound a bit harsh here (I don't intend to be) but I don't know much about Christianity so I'm just asking questions, that's all.

    (Original post by Darth Stewie)
    Lots of people were crucified and they didn't bang on about it for 2000+ years, talk about attention seeking :rolleyes: and what about all the other nameless people who were killed in the same way? the only reason anyone cares about this Jesus fella is because his dad was a big shot. social inequality tbh.
    I definitely second this. Christians talk a lot about Jesus went through, but they don't give it a second thought that many people in history have had it a lot worse than Jesus.

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