[andyp2]

Here's the link, its one of those stories on circulating on the boards on facebook, dunno if people have seen it as its from a few months back:
http://shine.yahoo.com/healthy-livin...urce=feed_news

But I'm interested to hear peoples opinion on this one, like i'm sure it'd be beneficial as a personal trainer to understand it all when training people like that so he can give advice they can possibly relate to?

[Besakt]

personal trainer are the most useless people alive.

[andyp2]

do you wanna expand on that? :L

[boromir9111]

reminds of that documentary about that guy who ate nothing but McDonalds for like a month or something?

[Sgt.Incontro]

Wow. He's proved that if you don't move at all and eat all processed foods without moderation you gain weight. What a genius.

[Besakt]

(Original post by andyp2)
do you wanna expand on that? :L

All the information is available on the internet and books it just takes a couple of hours reading up, are people that busy lazy they can't spend a while reading up on what they want to do.
Also the vast majority of them give terrible advice, all broscience.

[Llamageddon]

This has been done before. For the most part it doesn't teach people anything and is pointless.

[andyp2]

(Original post by Besakt)
All the information is available on the internet and books it just takes a couple of hours reading up, are people that busy lazy they can't spend a while reading up on what they want to do.
Also the vast majority of them give terrible advice, all broscience.

This is true and i agree with you on that, especially when some of them don't do much and are just there as 'motivation'.

Just for arguments sake cause again interested in views, What about this kind of trainer, not the standard type of personal trainer, the ones that sculpt people for bodybuilding competitions so a bit more prone to putting you in pain and doing the right exercises to sculpt the body. (Obviously this will come with the whole juiced up arguments etc i'm guessing)
Again just interested to hear what people say.

[Besakt]

(Original post by andyp2)
This is true and i agree with you on that, especially when some of them don't do much and are just there as 'motivation'.

Just for arguments sake cause again interested in views, What about this kind of trainer, not the standard type of personal trainer, the ones that sculpt people for bodybuilding competitions so a bit more prone to putting you in pain and doing the right exercises to sculpt the body. (Obviously this will come with the whole juiced up arguments etc i'm guessing)
Again just interested to hear what people say.

Those trainers are okay at least they know what they are on about but they are few and far between. But even then I think paying a personal trainer is just stupid when information is available practically free of charge.

[Skarm]

(Original post by andyp2)
This is true and i agree with you on that, especially when some of them don't do much and are just there as 'motivation'.

Just for arguments sake cause again interested in views, What about this kind of trainer, not the standard type of personal trainer, the ones that sculpt people for bodybuilding competitions so a bit more prone to putting you in pain and doing the right exercises to sculpt the body. (Obviously this will come with the whole juiced up arguments etc i'm guessing)
Again just interested to hear what people say.

When you get to bodybuilders it's becomes much less about the training and what exercises they do, and pretty much all about the drugs.
You put anyone on the amounts of slin, GH and tren those guys are on, you would grow just sitting around the house eating pizza, as long as the doses didn't kill them first. Often "personal trainer" in bodybuilding circles means someone who knows drug protocols and how to dose all the things they are taking.

[alexsasg]

Obviously it's not good for his health but he's trying to make the point that yes, even obese people can lose the weight and there's no excuse (provided that he does go back to fit). Which is no bad thing.

[Khanage]

Its just a marketing thing, and its obviously working. That PT now has loads of press and his business will increase because of it.

[Freakonomics123]

(Original post by Sgt.Incontro)
Wow. He's proved that if you don't move at all and eat all processed foods without moderation you gain weight. What a genius.

you do realize thats not what he was trying to prove, he's showing what he has to go through to lose it all, and the problems he faces across the way, so he can understand what his clients are going through

[redvinoandambien]

(Original post by Besakt)
personal trainer are the most useless people alive.

Disagree - they provide motivation: you're more likely to complete the exercises he's getting you to do than do it on your own. And they make sure you've got the correct form to prevent injury which is so important. You can't do that on your own even if you have a mirror or a spotter.

[fourdigit]

(Original post by alexsasg)
Obviously it's not good for his health but he's trying to make the point that yes, even obese people can lose the weight and there's no excuse (provided that he does go back to fit). Which is no bad thing.

I'm not sure the whole story about his intention but just curious, did he say obese people can lose the weight and there's no excuse?

Because when I read the article title, to me..it sounds like he's just making a point that he, himself only, can go from fit to fat to fit. Doesn't suggest obese people can do it if he can, though I'm sure many people can but just don't have the motivation, certain goal/objective, knowledge to do this.

If I heard a rather overweight person said he really wants to be fit like this guy or girl but still constantly eats junk food. It's clearly obvious there is a lack of self-motivation which most overweight people do lack.

Knowledge is power, most overweight people rely on external motivation rather themselves, hence they have trainers. I was born athletic, I love sports, not many born sportive like I am but I'm sure they're born to be a singer, who knows.

Bad or good thing on the health...it depends. In general, it can be bad for the health but say if this person lives a very long life, say 150 years old and other people didn't attempt what he does. Can it be seen as bad for the health? To me, the person genes also plays a role.

The way I see it is bad for the health is if it damages the health to a certain level, short term most likely but long term? That's another question.

[andyp2]

(Original post by fourdigit)
I'm not sure the whole story about his intention but just curious, did he say obese people can lose the weight and there's no excuse?

Because when I read the article title, to me..it sounds like he's just making a point that he, himself only, can go from fit to fat to fit. Doesn't suggest obese people can do it if he can, though I'm sure many people can but just don't have the motivation, certain goal/objective, knowledge to do this.

If I heard a rather overweight person said he really wants to be fit like this guy or girl but still constantly eats junk food. It's clearly obvious there is a lack of self-motivation which most overweight people do lack.

Knowledge is power, most overweight people rely on external motivation rather themselves, hence they have trainers. I was born athletic, I love sports, not many born sportive like I am but I'm sure they're born to be a singer, who knows.

Bad or good thing on the health...it depends. In general, it can be bad for the health but say if this person lives a very long life, say 150 years old and other people didn't attempt what he does. Can it be seen as bad for the health? To me, the person genes also plays a role.

The way I see it is bad for the health is if it damages the health to a certain level, short term most likely but long term? That's another question.

He does make the point though, of that it can help him to understand what overweight people go through in terms of food cravings and addictions (compares it with drugs etc doesn't he....). Helps him to understand it etc. So i dunno about no excuse thing, but definitely that with right kind of support its possible to kick bad habits?

[fourdigit]

(Original post by andyp2)
He does make the point though, of that it can help him to understand what overweight people go through in terms of food cravings and addictions (compares it with drugs etc doesn't he....). Helps him to understand it etc. So i dunno about no excuse thing, but definitely that with right kind of support its possible to kick bad habits?

Hmm too many factors are involved. E.g. I've seen people who have been overweight for many many years and that may have impacted their self-confidence and perhaps turn to food for comfort? I guess everyone has their own comfort style. Some choose to be happy for who they are rather than be someone who they're not.

Though this is just a vague glimpse of probably what overweight people think and feel but for someone who is going from fit to fat to fit is different. I think most people who are normally overweight don't know where to begin so it just shows that, knowledge is power.

E.g. Off topic a little bit, I'd imagine football managers may be tactical thinkers but they choose not to train themselves. I guess you could say their role is to not on the pitch but on the bench.

Sometimes during the year I'm buff and sometimes I'm not, I guess their are other priorities people consider in life and what they think is important to them. Some people choose personal looks, health, money, status as their priority.

Moving on, I would only think he can get a very small glimpse of what overweight people feel and think in general. Yes, anything is achievable, nothing is impossible.

E.g. If I'm clever, how can I become a millionaire in 10 days? Like many, I don't know where to begin in a short period of time OR rather I need resources to achieve this.


Everyone has bad habits, I think one of the bad habits itself is being someone they're not and listening to others rather themselves or being manipulated by people thinking on what they think is cool or not cool. E.g. Smoking, drinking, sex.

I think i'll stop there. Anything is possible, it just depends on factors.