(Original post by Summering)
You talk about "genetics", with your logic, do you think less developed countries have "bad genetic stock"?!
No one said anything about 'bad genetic stock' (well at least I didn't).
But I'm not going to deny my view that it is tantamount to spitting in the face of everything we know about genetic phylogeny to deny that races will have developed different traits on account of group breeding due to geographical separation over millennia - and to somehow accept that New Labour's equality legislation has changed God's laws of science is not something I can stomach (though many - even highly knowledgable biologists - clearly can).
'Good' and 'bad' as value adjectives do not come into it. That is something that people who hate on so-called 'scientific racism' always shoe-horn into the views of scientists who research the differences between races. Invariably the differences between races will lead to some benefitting from an advantage at various points in history, and correspondingly others suffering disadvantages.
Nothing I have said is in the slightest controversial in science.
Socioeconomic and environment are by far the biggest factors.
Not at all related to what I said so I won't go down this path (different debate).
Also I saw a really horrible vulgar thread you made yesterday about 'sex with black men' and you said it is a source of shame, I was shocked and going to rant but I thought against it,and now I saw this, what is all this about?!
Wtf - no you read someone else's post or inferred that out of nowhere.
I made a thread 'white girls - have you ever had sex with a black man to get at your racist parents' lol - it's not a source of shame, I did not say that and I do not think that. In fact, I was advocating white girls with racist parents to get jiggy with some local black youths to spite their racist parents.
Are you trolling? I doubt you are racist just VERY misguided (I hope).
No not trolling. Not racist (at least I don't think so - though some have described me as a racialist which I would not contest really, even on the little understanding I think I have).
How exactly am I VERY misguided? That is quite an allegation, so please do explain it if you can.
(Original post by natchina)
What do the north and sour Koreans have in common despite their ideological differences.
For a start, they are both very low crime societies. How can this be?
North Korea's crime rate is unknown; no information from the country's government can be trusted. And what about the crimes committed by the government? The country has over 200,000 people in death camps and all accounts from people who have escaped those camps indicate that the guards regularly murder, rape and torture prisoners (amoung other things). There are also witch-hunts for dissidents in which suspects are given show trials and then publicly executed. In light of that it is absurd to say that North and South Korea have a similar crime rate.
oh wow, I'm south korean and I feel that south korea started really growing quickly maybe 5-7 years ago. Koreans are very ambitious and we do push ourselves a bit too much, yes. I live in New York currently ( have been in the last 5 years ) and I constantly hear people being amazed by koreans in IT and about how koreans work in general. Now not only in IT,but also all different fields. even in fashion design ( I study fashion design, so I know ) people say koreans are going to take over. ( don't really know about this lol hehe )
New Yorkers are very very driven as well ( the most driven people I've ever seen to be honest ) but they talk about how crazy koreans are when it comes to work. koreans try very hard. most of the korean workers in korea, they get multiple certificates if not 7-10 something during the uni and even when they have secure jobs, they still study after work for self improvements. I'm not sure about people in different countries if they do the same.
however it's such a small country and we used to have nothing. like my mum, from the 60's, she wanted to study so much, but she had to work at a factory during the day when she was 13 ( didnt even get to go to high school ), she tells me she used to take these pills to keep herself awake, so she could study after her 18 hour shift was over. she never slept more than 3 hours a day. and still, a lot of people are like that. ( they probably don't work at a factory though ) So, I have to say, there is definitely something more than the support coming from the US.
but now I think about it, maybe it's not about our ability or talent. I wonder if it comes from our general personality haha, in korea, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY when asked. really. really. everything quick quick quick. really quick. so I guess korean workers accomplish loads more work than what other people would normally do. so maybe that's the way koreans can achieve more. koreans always joke about it
(Original post by No Man)
It probably has something to do with it, since they seem to share the same kind of quiet patriotism that Japan have, which had an equally sharp rise in development after the war. I think they share the same powerful work ethic based on 'honour' that Japan has as well, which is probably another variable in the equation. They are also heavily valued by the US as well, like Japan is.
There is a good work ethic and people tend to do things well. I'm not sure about 'honour' being behind the work ethic; they do what they have to do, but somewhat unfortunately these days education and work there are so competitive that it's pretty forced if you want to do well (I think it's immensely easier in the UK than in Korea to get yourself to a great standard of living). The patriotism thing is a good point (very different of course to the kind you see in somewhere like America). They went through a lot of tough times throughout the last century, and with adversity comes resilience, which I think has remained in subsequent generations.
Korea's economic growth has been very impressive but I think it has a long way to go before becoming truly advanced. From what I've seen there are deep social problems which will be difficult to uproot (and whereas the culture of honour is at times seen as good in the West, it's become very detrimental imo) - the suicide rates reflect on this quite a bit
(Original post by Danen)
This. democracy, capitalism and work ethic.
South Korea had to wait till the late 80s for democracy. A lot of its industrialisation and growth came under dictatorship
Just decades ago, South Koreans were no more politically or civilly free than their northern counterparts.
Their export-led economic development was initiated under a strongman military government, so I wouldn't cite "freedom" or "democracy" as a necessary component.
I'm South Korean and I believe it's the fierce competition that has created a massive work ethic. In South Korea, everyone is their rival and unless you try your best, you won't get anywhere. Unfortunately that's a major factor of the high suicide rate, which I believe to be the highest out of all the OECD nations.
Industrialisation happened in 1980s. The president Park Chung-Hee improved the economic situation, although he was a dictator.
South Korea has few natural resources, so yes, it's all export-led hence why we export so many electronics.
(Original post by Nick100)
That source seems to be flawed; according to it Germany and the UK each have half as many crimes in total as the USA despite having much smaller populations.
The data is legit, albeit a decade old. There's also a disclaimer saying
Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
Also, it depends what is actually counted in a country's crime statistics, for example Iceland includes all trafic violations, which actually gives them the highest crime rate per capita in the world.